Taiwan Missile Can Reach Beijing: Report

[desimorty]

Yea, but Taiwans military is much more professional, and better trained then Iraqs.
It is a uphill battle for Taiwan. The island will loose, most of its air assets, and perhaps ships.
but it will still be independent.
because the PLA can not send troops to Taiwan. If they do manage to airdrop, 32 airborne battalion, that alone would not be enough.
fact of the matter is, PLAN is venerable to Taiwans AShCM and vice versa.
So its safe to assume, any PLAN ship, is in a danger zone when its 100 km or so from the island.
Hitting Taiwan with missiles is one thing, capturing and taking the island is another. for this reason, Taiwan has remained independent so far.
PLA needs major power project.

 

[S10]

Yea, but Taiwans military is much more professional, and better trained then Iraqs.
It is a uphill battle for Taiwan. The island will loose, most of its air assets, and perhaps ships.
but it will still be independent.
because the PLA can not send troops to Taiwan. If they do manage to airdrop, 32 airborne battalion, that alone would not be enough.
fact of the matter is, PLAN is venerable to Taiwans AShCM and vice versa.
So its safe to assume, any PLAN ship, is in a danger zone when its 100 km or so from the island.
Hitting Taiwan with missiles is one thing, capturing and taking the island is another. for this reason, Taiwan has remained independent so far.
PLA needs major power project.

After a Taiwan's airforce and navy are depleted, its ground forces are nearly sitting ducks. Without air and naval support, it would face similar fate as the Iraqi army. First of all, airborne forces are not designed to take the entire island on their own. They secure airbases as well as ports with PLAN marines to allow access to ground forces. Taiwan remains independent not because of its military capability, but because of American protection. Any showdown between Mainland China and Taiwan is a showdown between China and United States.

Had United States not saved KMT in 1949 with its fleet, KMT forces would have been drinking sea water.

 

[desimorty]

After a Taiwan's airforce and navy are depleted, its ground forces are nearly sitting ducks. Without air and naval support, it would face similar fate as the Iraqi army. First of all, airborne forces are not designed to take the entire island on their own. They secure airbases as well as ports with PLAN marines to allow access to ground forces. Taiwan remains independent not because of its military capability, but because of American protection. Any showdown between Mainland China and Taiwan is a showdown between China and United States.

Had United States not saved KMT in 1949 with its fleet, KMT forces would have been drinking sea water.

you make it sound like an absolute zero.
currently as the scencerio stands even with out the USN, the Taiwanese military can hold its own.
The missiles are devestating, but just like the PLA, the KMT, will hide their missiles. It gurentees nothing but shots. Both, the KMT and PLA will fire shots, it doesn't matter who fired first.
but the KMT are sitting on a vast number of cruise missiles, and SAMs to defend the island. The island, is their advantage, not the PLA's.
Currently, only the USN can embark on a landing with a seizable troop numbers, to set up a base within in weeks, if not days.
The PLA, does not have this capability yet. Which is why, the PLA trust their missiles.
In the case of the USN, getting involved, the PLA has stockpile of Su-30's and cruise missiles, to at least detter the Americans.
The PLA has another problem. The CCP. The CCP can not use nuclear weapons on Taiwan, as they according to them are Chinese.
The CCP also has another problem. If too many causalities are counted, then their reign could be stopped!
while the PLA wants a bleeding war, it is only useful if its a defensive war.
Today, a death tole of 20 thousand Chinese will be unacceptable, in modern China, even for Taiwan. You would have to dress up the Taiwanese as OBL, or Japanese imperialist of WWII to get domestic support.
And if you don't think the death tole will be so high, your over estimating the PLA's capability.
Currently the PLA, is a defensive force, that wants regional dominance. and 300 km from the shoreline, is too far as of now. The PLA quite literally will need a unbreakable bridge to Taiwan, if they want to succeed.
Since the CCP, knows they can not fight war for the island, they can certainly inflict damage to Taiwan through missiles, or economic action.
They have opted for the later option. Politics is complicated. But Taiwan, will not obey the CCP, that much is clear. If China wants Taiwan, the CCP will have to be de-throwned.

 

[S10]

you make it sound like an absolute zero.
currently as the scencerio stands even with out the USN, the Taiwanese military can hold its own.
The missiles are devestating, but just like the PLA, the KMT, will hide their missiles. It gurentees nothing but shots. Both, the KMT and PLA will fire shots, it doesn't matter who fired first.
but the KMT are sitting on a vast number of cruise missiles, and SAMs to defend the island. The island, is their advantage, not the PLA's.

Try as they might, Taiwan does not have the same level of military resources China has. They cannot match mainland's number in terms of ships, fighter jets, and missiles. Most importantly, they cannot replace their combat losses like Mainland because they purchased most of their weapons from foreign suppliers. Wars are fought not only with weapons, but logistics. Taiwan falls behind on both.

Currently, only the USN can embark on a landing with a seizable troop numbers, to set up a base within in weeks, if not days.
The PLA, does not have this capability yet. Which is why, the PLA trust their missiles.

Don't speak of things you know nothing of. If 2008 Sichuan Earthquake was any indication, PLA was able to move a hundred thousand troops into the affected area within 5 days.

In the case of the USN, getting involved, the PLA has stockpile of Su-30's and cruise missiles, to at least detter the Americans.
The PLA has another problem. The CCP. The CCP can not use nuclear weapons on Taiwan, as they according to them are Chinese.
The CCP also has another problem. If too many causalities are counted, then their reign could be stopped!
while the PLA wants a bleeding war, it is only useful if its a defensive war.
Today, a death tole of 20 thousand Chinese will be unacceptable, in modern China, even for Taiwan. You would have to dress up the Taiwanese as OBL, or Japanese imperialist of WWII to get domestic support. And if you don't think the death tole will be so high, your over estimating the PLA's capability.

It's always funny to hear Indians make claims about China when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. The only way CCP would be toppled in a war with Taiwan is if they fail to retake the island, not casualties. Millions die in unification wars throughout history, and every mainland Chinese knows the cost. When I was attending elementary school in China, they were already teaching this. So much so that it has become a national obsession that needs to be fufilled no matter the cost.

Currently the PLA, is a defensive force, that wants regional dominance. and 300 km from the shoreline, is too far as of now. The PLA quite literally will need a unbreakable bridge to Taiwan, if they want to succeed.

No, all China has to do is ensure air and naval superiority over Taiwan, which it is quite capable of doing. The new developments in airforce and navy is aimed at deterring United States, as they are overkill for Taiwan. China has dozens of amphibious ships capable of landing on Taiwan's shores, not to mention a growing airlift capability.

Since the CCP, knows they can not fight war for the island, they can certainly inflict damage to Taiwan through missiles, or economic action.
They have opted for the later option. Politics is complicated. But Taiwan, will not obey the CCP, that much is clear. If China wants Taiwan, the CCP will have to be de-throwned.

Since you know nothing of what you are talking about, why don't you stop making a joke out of yourself?

 

[below_freezing]

you make it sound like an absolute zero.
currently as the scencerio stands even with out the USN, the Taiwanese military can hold its own.
The missiles are devestating, but just like the PLA, the KMT, will hide their missiles. It gurentees nothing but shots. Both, the KMT and PLA will fire shots, it doesn't matter who fired first.
but the KMT are sitting on a vast number of cruise missiles, and SAMs to defend the island. The island, is their advantage, not the PLA's.
Currently, only the USN can embark on a landing with a seizable troop numbers, to set up a base within in weeks, if not days.
The PLA, does not have this capability yet. Which is why, the PLA trust their missiles.
In the case of the USN, getting involved, the PLA has stockpile of Su-30's and cruise missiles, to at least detter the Americans.
The PLA has another problem. The CCP. The CCP can not use nuclear weapons on Taiwan, as they according to them are Chinese.
The CCP also has another problem. If too many causalities are counted, then their reign could be stopped!
while the PLA wants a bleeding war, it is only useful if its a defensive war.
Today, a death tole of 20 thousand Chinese will be unacceptable, in modern China, even for Taiwan. You would have to dress up the Taiwanese as OBL, or Japanese imperialist of WWII to get domestic support.
And if you don't think the death tole will be so high, your over estimating the PLA's capability.
Currently the PLA, is a defensive force, that wants regional dominance. and 300 km from the shoreline, is too far as of now. The PLA quite literally will need a unbreakable bridge to Taiwan, if they want to succeed.
Since the CCP, knows they can not fight war for the island, they can certainly inflict damage to Taiwan through missiles, or economic action.
They have opted for the later option. Politics is complicated. But Taiwan, will not obey the CCP, that much is clear. If China wants Taiwan, the CCP will have to be de-throwned.

More Indian dreams. You think Taiwan is the Pakistan of East Asia only because you've seen how certain larger nations have been whipped badly by a smaller one, and wish it was a general case. The problem with your assessment is that Taiwan (As well as South Korea) are more like the Iraq, Panama or Georgia of East Asia going by their former military record.

In addition, I'd just like to remind you, tiny Taiwan is larger than half of India's economy, while Guangdong Province is larger than Taiwan. Within 3 years, Guangdong alone would dominate India.

 

[cross1993]

If Taiwan has the ability to win the war, Why is Taiwan not to declare independence?

Whether Taiwan has some missile, it does not matter. Even if Taiwan has nuclear weapons, China will continue to recover Taiwan.
1950, We have proved we are not afraid of Nuclear-weapons competitors. Nuclear weapons can not prevent the Chinese people's war.
Death of 100 million people, we still have 1.3 billion people.
Death of 1 billion people, we still have 400 million people.

 

[Akasa]

you make it sound like an absolute zero.
currently as the scencerio stands even with out the USN, the Taiwanese military can hold its own.
The missiles are devestating, but just like the PLA, the KMT, will hide their missiles. It gurentees nothing but shots. Both, the KMT and PLA will fire shots, it doesn't matter who fired first.
but the KMT are sitting on a vast number of cruise missiles, and SAMs to defend the island. The island, is their advantage, not the PLA's.
Currently, only the USN can embark on a landing with a seizable troop numbers, to set up a base within in weeks, if not days.
The PLA, does not have this capability yet. Which is why, the PLA trust their missiles.
In the case of the USN, getting involved, the PLA has stockpile of Su-30's and cruise missiles, to at least detter the Americans.
The PLA has another problem. The CCP. The CCP can not use nuclear weapons on Taiwan, as they according to them are Chinese.
The CCP also has another problem. If too many causalities are counted, then their reign could be stopped!
while the PLA wants a bleeding war, it is only useful if its a defensive war.
Today, a death tole of 20 thousand Chinese will be unacceptable, in modern China, even for Taiwan. You would have to dress up the Taiwanese as OBL, or Japanese imperialist of WWII to get domestic support.
And if you don't think the death tole will be so high, your over estimating the PLA's capability.
Currently the PLA, is a defensive force, that wants regional dominance. and 300 km from the shoreline, is too far as of now. The PLA quite literally will need a unbreakable bridge to Taiwan, if they want to succeed.
Since the CCP, knows they can not fight war for the island, they can certainly inflict damage to Taiwan through missiles, or economic action.
They have opted for the later option. Politics is complicated. But Taiwan, will not obey the CCP, that much is clear. If China wants Taiwan, the CCP will have to be de-throwned.

Do a simple comparison of the military and you'll see just how outdated (with that, I mean by 50 years) your analysis is.

China, Russia, and the US possess the world's most powerful and advanced militaries. Having F-16 Block 20s as your air force and M-60 tanks as your army does not constitute an "advanced military".

 

[desimorty]

Try as they might, Taiwan does not have the same level of military resources China has. They cannot match mainland's number in terms of ships, fighter jets, and missiles. Most importantly, they cannot replace their combat losses like Mainland because they purchased most of their weapons from foreign suppliers. Wars are fought not only with weapons, but logistics. Taiwan falls behind on both.

Taiwan does not need the same military resources as the PLA. They don't even need to replace there losses either, they just need to protect the assets they have when they go to war.
Taiwan is an island. It's defence force does not need tanks or a large army. Just a powerfull navy, airforce and plenty of anti-ship missiles.

Don't speak of things you know nothing of. If 2008 Sichuan Earthquake was any indication, PLA was able to move a hundred thousand troops into the affected area within 5 days.

The earthquake, is an example of PLA's mobilization in it's own borders. It is an example that can be used to measure the PLA's capability when defending its borders.
Ever heard of the normandy landing?

It's always funny to hear Indians make claims about China when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. The only way CCP would be toppled in a war with Taiwan is if they fail to retake the island, not casualties. Millions die in unification wars throughout history, and every mainland Chinese knows the cost. When I was attending elementary school in China, they were already teaching this. So much so that it has become a national obsession that needs to be fufilled no matter the co

You prove my point. The CCP need to justify a war especially to the people that will loose sons or fathers. Either way the CCP has loses, fail or not.

No, all China has to do is ensure air and naval superiority over Taiwan, which it is quite capable of doing. The new developments in airforce and navy is aimed at deterring United States, as they are overkill for Taiwan. China has dozens of amphibious ships capable of landing on Taiwan's shores, not to mention a growing airlift capability.

And it hasn't reached the point yet. The problem lies, in how to get the troops to Taiwan, and then hold the ground. While at the same time, if employing landings, you will have to make sure you don't loose your transports, be it landing ships, or aircraft transports. Then you have to hold the ground, while re-supplying logistics.
Currently, thats out of the PLA's reach to do so.

Since you know nothing of what you are talking about, why don't you stop making a joke out of yourself?

the evidence is in my favor.
If the PLA could have, they would have. They haven't. CCP has too much to loose and the same goes for the KMT.

More Indian dreams. You think Taiwan is the Pakistan of East Asia only because you've seen how certain larger nations have been whipped badly by a smaller one, and wish it was a general case. The problem with your assessment is that Taiwan (As well as South Korea) are more like the Iraq, Panama or Georgia of East Asia going by their former military record.

In addition, I'd just like to remind you, tiny Taiwan is larger than half of India's economy, while Guangdong Province is larger than Taiwan. Within 3 years, Guangdong alone would dominate India.

Taiwan, still belongs to the KMT.

If Taiwan has the ability to win the war, Why is Taiwan not to declare independence?

Whether Taiwan has some missile, it does not matter. Even if Taiwan has nuclear weapons, China will continue to recover Taiwan.
1950, We have proved we are not afraid of Nuclear-weapons competitors. Nuclear weapons can not prevent the Chinese people's war.
Death of 100 million people, we still have 1.3 billion people.
Death of 1 billion people, we still have 400 million people.

Thats all good and logical, if you were fighting for your survival against a foreign invasion. But with Taiwan, you have to justify, 20-40 deaths to the Chinese public. While at the same time the KMT will resist. Even Bush needed a scapegoat.
Now KMT is no Nazi or Japanese of WWII.

Do a simple comparison of the military and you'll see just how outdated (with that, I mean by 50 years) your analysis is.

China, Russia, and the US possess the world's most powerful and advanced militaries. Having F-16 Block 20s as your air force and M-60 tanks as your army does not constitute an "advanced military".

And how many tanks do you think PLA could deploy to KMT initially? See the KMT, doesn't need advanced tanks, just the firepower.
If your defending shores, you build bunkers on the shore. Have cruisemissiles, SAM's, navy with submarines, aircraft deployed for anti-shipping.
You don't need to match the enemy pound for pound if you have the logistical advantage, and homefront advantage.
Simply put, if the CCP goes to war
-the CCP has to justify the deaths of soldiers for an offensive war (1989 anyone? the CCP don't wan't angry citizens.)
-deal with economic repercussions
-lose of military assets and infrastructure from KMT missiles

KMT
looses has to deal with above as well, if they declare independence.

The simple conclusion is that the current status quo, favors both the KMT and CCP. Right now the CCP saves face because Taiwan hasn't declared independence and KMT gets to keep a healthy nation.
Judging by current trends the PLA is a long way from dominating and holding Taiwan, otherwise they would have done so. CCP has its own issues.
The solution the CCP and PLA agree on is economic dominance over Taiwan.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

and when tawian launches. they can kiss their good bye.

 

[faithfulguy]

The simple conclusion is that the current status quo, favors both the KMT and CCP. Right now the CCP saves face because Taiwan hasn't declared independence and KMT gets to keep a healthy nation.
Judging by current trends the PLA is a long way from dominating and holding Taiwan, otherwise they would have done so. CCP has its own issues.
The solution the CCP and PLA agree on is economic dominance over Taiwan.

If there is a need for a "war" or even violence between China and Taiwan. China has already lost. The way China can win this conflict is by peaceful unification. Anything else counts as a loss for China. So this is more of a political issue than a military one.

 

[S10]

Taiwan does not need the same military resources as the PLA. They don't even need to replace there losses either, they just need to protect the assets they have when they go to war.
Taiwan is an island. It's defence force does not need tanks or a large army. Just a powerfull navy, airforce and plenty of anti-ship missiles.

Really? You don't need to replace your losses in a war? This has to be single most retarded comment I've heard on this forum so far. How are you going to maintain your "powerful" navy and airforce when you lose ships and planes? Do you fart them out?

The earthquake, is an example of PLA's mobilization in it's own borders. It is an example that can be used to measure the PLA's capability when defending its borders.
Ever heard of the normandy landing?

Considering land routes in Sichuan were blocked because of land slides, a significant percentage of troops arrived by plane. That demonstrate a significant airlift capability. Besides the largest transport fleet in Asia, China also has the largest number of amphibious transport ships.

You prove my point. The CCP need to justify a war especially to the people that will loose sons or fathers. Either way the CCP has loses, fail or not.

Unification of a country needs no justification if the last 2000 years of Chinese history is any indication. Since the Qin dynasty, the people of China had desire to see the country united as one. The only loss for CCP is if they fail to take Taiwan, whether by force or peaceful means. Casualties are already entered into the equation.

And it hasn't reached the point yet. The problem lies, in how to get the troops to Taiwan, and then hold the ground. While at the same time, if employing landings, you will have to make sure you don't loose your transports, be it landing ships, or aircraft transports. Then you have to hold the ground, while re-supplying logistics.
Currently, thats out of the PLA's reach to do so.

After Taiwan's air and naval assets are wiped out, how do you suppose they threaten mainland's transport ships? Any asset Taiwan has would be sitting ducks, at the mercy of an enemy that controls the skys. Troop movement would be next to impossible if you are constantly being bombed on.

the evidence is in my favor.
If the PLA could have, they would have. They haven't. CCP has too much to loose and the same goes for the KMT.

Taiwan, still belongs to the KMT.

On the contrary, the evidence is against you. Americans saved Taiwan in 1949, and again in 1996. Had there been no Americans, goodbye KMT.

Thats all good and logical, if you were fighting for your survival against a foreign invasion. But with Taiwan, you have to justify, 20-40 deaths to the Chinese public. While at the same time the KMT will resist. Even Bush needed a scapegoat.
Now KMT is no Nazi or Japanese of WWII.

Obviously you've never even bothered reading Chinese history. Several hundred thousand deaths are minor occurances. The longer this thing drags on, the more the balance tilt towards mainland. It's not whether China could take Taiwan, it's whether China could take Taiwan and keept Americans out at the same time.

And how many tanks do you think PLA could deploy to KMT initially? See the KMT, doesn't need advanced tanks, just the firepower.
If your defending shores, you build bunkers on the shore. Have cruisemissiles, SAM's, navy with submarines, aircraft deployed for anti-shipping.
You don't need to match the enemy pound for pound if you have the logistical advantage, and homefront advantage.

Your tanks don't need to be advanced? You think a T-55 could go up against a modern Leopard 2A6? Don't make me laugh.

Saddam Hussein had crap loads of weapon and firepower at his disposal in 1991, and his army folded like a cheap suitcase within few weeks. All that firepower is useless against when you do not have air and naval control. In this case, Taiwan is both numerically and qualitatively inferior to mainland.

Simply put, if the CCP goes to war
-the CCP has to justify the deaths of soldiers for an offensive war (1989 anyone? the CCP don't wan't angry citizens.)
-deal with economic repercussions
-lose of military assets and infrastructure from KMT missiles

1989 protests were aimed at corruptions within the government, not war. China lost over thousands of troops against Vietnam in 1979 within two weeks, and the government did not get toppled.The CCP does not need to justify any wars towards unification. Chinese culture justify that on its own. Any cost as a result of military means are already accepted.

KMT
looses has to deal with above as well, if they declare independence.

The simple conclusion is that the current status quo, favors both the KMT and CCP. Right now the CCP saves face because Taiwan hasn't declared independence and KMT gets to keep a healthy nation.
Judging by current trends the PLA is a long way from dominating and holding Taiwan, otherwise they would have done so. CCP has its own issues.
The solution the CCP and PLA agree on is economic dominance over Taiwan.

The simply conclusion is that Taiwan will return to Mainland, one way or the other. The only reason Taiwan still stands on its own is because of American interference, and that shouldn't last very long.

 

[Akasa]

And how many tanks do you think PLA could deploy to KMT initially? See the KMT, doesn't need advanced tanks, just the firepower.
If your defending shores, you build bunkers on the shore. Have cruisemissiles, SAM's, navy with submarines, aircraft deployed for anti-shipping.
You don't need to match the enemy pound for pound if you have the logistical advantage, and homefront advantage.
Simply put, if the CCP goes to war
-the CCP has to justify the deaths of soldiers for an offensive war (1989 anyone? the CCP don't wan't angry citizens.)
-deal with economic repercussions
-lose of military assets and infrastructure from KMT missiles

KMT
looses has to deal with above as well, if they declare independence.

The simple conclusion is that the current status quo, favors both the KMT and CCP. Right now the CCP saves face because Taiwan hasn't declared independence and KMT gets to keep a healthy nation.
Judging by current trends the PLA is a long way from dominating and holding Taiwan, otherwise they would have done so. CCP has its own issues.
The solution the CCP and PLA agree on is economic dominance over Taiwan.

Taiwan has 450 M60 tanks. China has 500 Type 99 series tanks alone. That's not even including the 2300 Type 96G tanks. M60 also happens to be a Cold War tank that was suited for Vietnam. Do some comparison. You can't simply have firepower if you don't have the numbers nor the technology. The M60, even with upgrades, will have the same design, same fire control, same thickness of the hull, and probably the same gun. We all know what happened to Iraqi Babylon tanks during the wars.

These "bunkers" on the shores will be targets for cruise missiles and helicopters.

The island of Goa had logistical and "homeland" advantage when the Indians invaded. Did they win? You cannot resist an invasion if your firepower is decades behind and your numbers are tiny compared to the other. An invasion also implies that an initial attack will eliminate much of the enemy's resistance.

Speaking of "justification" for soldier deaths, answer this: what are soldiers supposed to do on the battlefield? Share beers?

The bulk of KMT missiles will be destroyed before they can launch and the rest will be intercepted.



Did I mention anything against the current status quo? In fact both the CCP and KMT seems to prefer the current status quo.

 

[desimorty]

Really? You don't need to replace your losses in a war? This has to be single most retarded comment I've heard on this forum so far. How are you going to maintain your "powerful" navy and airforce when you lose ships and planes? Do you fart them out?

oh a fart joke. your obviously not virgin.
Kid, lets say China looses, 100 Flankers or aircraft within the first year. Whats the rate of Flanker production?
Never fast enough.
Same goes for missiles, and everything else,
except bullets and guns, the easiest things to manufacture.
In modern war, you go in with the assets you have. This is why armies don't go to war with 50 soldiers, and say they have 100 more by the end of the year.

Considering land routes in Sichuan were blocked because of land slides, a significant percentage of troops arrived by plane. That demonstrate a significant airlift capability. Besides the largest transport fleet in Asia, China also has the largest number of amphibious transport ships.

Yea, but the locals weren't firing SAMs at these helos.

Unification of a country needs no justification if the last 2000 years of Chinese history is any indication. Since the Qin dynasty, the people of China had desire to see the country united as one. The only loss for CCP is if they fail to take Taiwan, whether by force or peaceful means. Casualties are already entered into the equation.

and we still live in the dark ages?
its a media war.
Remember 1989(tanks and shopper)? 2006(milk and babies)?2008(monks and sports)? media, justification.

On the contrary, the evidence is against you. Americans saved Taiwan in 1949, and again in 1996. Had there been no Americans, goodbye KMT.

Saved it from bombing Taiwan. Try grabbing the land.

Obviously you've never even bothered reading Chinese history. Several hundred thousand deaths are minor occurances. The longer this thing drags on, the more the balance tilt towards mainland. It's not whether China could take Taiwan, it's whether China could take Taiwan and keept Americans out at the same time.

obviously, your not thinking about this century.
If Vietnam taught the CCP anything is that it can't prolong a war with heavy bleeding.
The out bleed the enemy tactic, only has defensive purpose now.

Your tanks don't need to be advanced? You think a T-55 could go up against a modern Leopard 2A6? Don't make me laugh.

Saddam Hussein had crap loads of weapon and firepower at his disposal in 1991, and his army folded like a cheap suitcase within few weeks. All that firepower is useless against when you do not have air and naval control. In this case, Taiwan is both numerically and qualitatively inferior to mainland.

losts of things here.
Do you think those old M-60 tanks will be used against heavy armor or infantry and ICVs?
and how many heavy MBTs can China get to Taiwans beaches? answer, very few. what can they do? no much, because chances are the KMT will pulverize them with artillery.
You'll need more landing ships, to make a hole, and keep the hole open.
your also an idiot to think a tank on tank is how to fight a battle.
If there was greater threat from heavy MBTs then Taiwan would have purchased their own heavy MBT. They didn't. The PLA can barely support troops in Taiwan let alone tanks.

BTW, Saddam had a lot of weapons, but he had poor top brass, and officer core.
But worse yet, he lacked intel. He didn't even have a proper command structure. The Iran-Iraq war, if you ever studied it, will give you insight into how badly the war was handled.
But can you blame the guy? The US military is another thing.

1989 protests were aimed at corruptions within the government, not war. China lost over thousands of troops against Vietnam in 1979 within two weeks, and the government did not get toppled.The CCP does not need to justify any wars towards unification. Chinese culture justify that on its own. Any cost as a result of military means are already accepted.

1989 was directed at the CCP. since the information age, its a lot more difficult to keep secrets from the public.
But here your entitled to your opinion.
But hey, if the coffins aren't your thing,
then maybe you should think about the economic consequences.
Because as i recall, the biggest challenge China faces right now, is jobs, which keep people content, if they're not content, they act up like Tibetans in 2008 who had no jobs.
So what do you think the CCP's priority is?
a) war over Taiwan
b) economic development, to bide time and eventually flex muscle with out firing shots

The simply conclusion is that Taiwan will return to Mainland, one way or the other. The only reason Taiwan still stands on its own is because of American interference, and that shouldn't last very long.

The Americans don't have to do shite. They know it. Taiwan, can sink a lot of PLANs boats, and damage China's economy.
Then the CCP have to worry about the international community, who already have military embargos, and could have possibly go the way of economic embargos.

 

[below_freezing]

There's no point in arguing against those who refuse to see facts.

This is why any thread infested with Indian and US trolls is sh@t and i'd rather post on the east asian music thread.

 

[Mikethedyke]

Don't feed the troll people =) Anyone who dies on either side of the strait is considered a loss for the Chinese nation.