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Wrong,its not border raid only.we tried to occupy their hills,but unsuccessful coz we didnt have enough support to.keep those hills.

China only some time occupied our Northen territory,not the hole VN, those ils u took from us are just useless rock with No strategic position. So its fine as long as u cant drill oil there. U cant exploit any thing from our lost territory coz ur army is poor trained and ur soldiers is coward:pop:

You fail at history. Northern Vietnam before 1471 WAS the entire Vietnam. Southern Vietnam was Champa and Khmer territory. China occupied the entire Vietnam for 1,000 years, Champa and mekong delta were not Vietnam.

France and Spain defeated Vietnam in the Cochinchina campaign and France then seized cochinchina from Vietnam.

When France wanted to seize the entire Vietnam as a protectorate China fought almost the entire war for Vietnam and humiliated the French army. The Chinese Black flags militia humiliated France at Bac Le and the war in Tonkin ended with a Chinese victoty at Bang Bo and a humiliating retreat at Lang son for France. When France tried to invade Taiwan in the Keelung campaign, they were also beaten and pinned down and failed to take over Taiwan.

After France's military disasters, Japan and Russia allied with France and threatened an all out invasion of China if China did not let France take over Vietnam. France had demanded China pay an indemnity for Bac Le and wanted to take over Taiwan and the Pescadores, but China forced them to withdraw their demand for an idemnity and the islands in exchange for a withdrawl of Chinese forces from Vietnam.

After China's withdrawl, the French mopped up Vietnamese resistance.

Vietnamese also did not accomplish anything against Japan or France during world war 2. In fact, after the war ended, the Republic of China was assigned the task of occupying north Indochina and receiving Japanese surrenders while the British did it in the south.

The Viet minh could not do anything against the Republic of China armed forces, it was France who secured a withdrawl of China's forces after France agreed to surrender all of their extraterritorial rights and concessions in China. China managed to extract gains from France and otherwise would not have budged.

In the Viet Minh's war against France, Vietnam was supported by Lao and Cambodian Communists and China. In the Vietnam war against America, Vietnam also received support from China in military, technical and manpower assistance.

The Afghans screwed the Soviet Union and China supported the Mujahideen, while Vietnam was allied to the Soviet puppet Najibullah.

Vietnam's history of "glorious resistance" against imperialism is a facade. Without the help of China, Vietnam would still be a French colony.
 
You fail at history. Northern Vietnam before 1471 WAS the entire Vietnam. Southern Vietnam was Champa and Khmer territory. China occupied the entire Vietnam for 1,000 years, Champa and mekong delta were not Vietnam.

France and Spain defeated Vietnam in the Cochinchina campaign and France then seized cochinchina from Vietnam.

When France wanted to seize the entire Vietnam as a protectorate China fought almost the entire war for Vietnam and humiliated the French army. The Chinese Black flags militia humiliated France at Bac Le and the war in Tonkin ended with a Chinese victoty at Bang Bo and a humiliating retreat at Lang son for France. When France tried to invade Taiwan in the Keelung campaign, they were also beaten and pinned down and failed to take over Taiwan.

After France's military disasters, Japan and Russia allied with France and threatened an all out invasion of China if China did not let France take over Vietnam. France had demanded China pay an indemnity for Bac Le and wanted to take over Taiwan and the Pescadores, but China forced them to withdraw their demand for an idemnity and the islands in exchange for a withdrawl of Chinese forces from Vietnam.

After China's withdrawl, the French mopped up Vietnamese resistance.

Vietnamese also did not accomplish anything against Japan or France during world war 2. In fact, after the war ended, the Republic of China was assigned the task of occupying north Indochina and receiving Japanese surrenders while the British did it in the south.

The Viet minh could not do anything against the Republic of China armed forces, it was France who secured a withdrawl of China's forces after France agreed to surrender all of their extraterritorial rights and concessions in China. China managed to extract gains from France and otherwise would not have budged.

In the Viet Minh's war against France, Vietnam was supported by Lao and Cambodian Communists and China. In the Vietnam war against America, Vietnam also received support from China in military, technical and manpower assistance.

The Afghans screwed the Soviet Union and China supported the Mujahideen, while Vietnam was allied to the Soviet puppet Najibullah.

Vietnam's history of "glorious resistance" against imperialism is a facade. Without the help of China, Vietnam would still be a French colony.

Vietnam regained independence from China over 1,000 years, Chine was invder, no more.
The black flag rebels were wanted by Man Quing. At beginning Vietnam's Emperor cooperated with Man Quing to push them to China land. Late on we paid for them to fighting against France colonies.
In Vietnam wars against France, USA socialist pack helped Vietminh with Soviet Union, not only China. China did his dirty policy business with US again independence of Vietnam. China shaked hands with France 1954 to divide Vietnam and welcomed Nixon 1972 in Peking to keep regime in Saigon.
In fact from 1945 to 1990 Vietnam has been fought again France, USA and China (Sino Vietnam war 1979) to deferende our independence.

With out USA and Soviet Union victory on Japan in WW II, china is still control by Japan, like Man Quing did in the past.
 
Vietnam regained independence from China over 1,000 years, Chine was invder, no more.
The black flag rebels were wanted by Man Quing. At beginning Vietnam's Emperor cooperated with Man Quing to push them to China land. Late on we paid for them to fighting against France colonies.
In Vietnam wars against France, USA socialist pack helped Vietminh with Soviet Union, not only China. China did his dirty policy business with US again independence of Vietnam. China shaked hands with France 1954 to divide Vietnam and welcomed Nixon 1972 in Peking to keep regime in Saigon.
In fact from 1945 to 1990 Vietnam has been fought again France, USA and China (Sino Vietnam war 1979) to deferende our independence.

With out USA and Soviet Union victory on Japan in WW II, china is still control by Japan, like Man Quing did in the past.

Your buddy NiceGuy was lying through his teeth when he said, "China only some time occupied our Northen territory,not the hole VN".

Champa and Mekong Delta were not part of Vietnam until 1471 and 1698.

Majority of China was not under Japanese control during the war, unlike the entire Vietnam which was under Vichy French and Japanese control. The Soviet Union even attacked China in Xinjiang 1937 and then in 1944 in the Ili Rebellion during the war and China was fighting both the Soviets and the Japanese at the same time. China fought both the Red Army and Japanese Imperial Army and forced a ceasefire with the Soviet Union in 1946.

The entire northwest and southwest China, not even including Tibet, were never under Japanese control.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Japanese_Occupation_-_Map.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/China_situation_Oct1944.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Japanese_Ichigo_Plan_-_April_1944.jpg

The Viet Minh accomplished nothing against Japan. It did nothing when the Republic of China occupied northern Indochina. China managed to force France to surrender all its concessions and privileges in China with no help from America or the Soviets.

Yuan Dynasty lasted around 90 years, Qing lasted 267 years, it did not even rule over all of China all that time, it controlled the entire China only for 239 years.

Vietnam was ruled by China for over 1,000 years, and France for 67 years, if you want to compare whose the bigger looser, you loose.

All of the Qing's soldiers in Vietnam during the Tonkin campaign were Han people, there were no Manchu bannermen fighting against the French. The humiliation and defeat of the French in Bang Bo, Lang son, Cau Giay and Bac Le was done entirely by Chinese, not Vietnam.
 
Your buddy NiceGuy was lying through his teeth when he said, "China only some time occupied our Northen territory,not the hole VN".

Champa and Mekong Delta were not part of Vietnam until 1471 and 1698.

Majority of China was not under Japanese control during the war, unlike the entire Vietnam which was under Vichy French and Japanese control. The Soviet Union even attacked China in Xinjiang 1937 and then in 1944 in the Ili Rebellion during the war and China was fighting both the Soviets and the Japanese at the same time. China fought both the Red Army and Japanese Imperial Army and forced a ceasefire with the Soviet Union in 1946.

The entire northwest and southwest China, not even including Tibet, were never under Japanese control.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Japanese_Occupation_-_Map.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/China_situation_Oct1944.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Japanese_Ichigo_Plan_-_April_1944.jpg

The Viet Minh accomplished nothing against Japan. It did nothing when the Republic of China occupied northern Indochina. China managed to force France to surrender all its concessions and privileges in China with no help from America or the Soviets.

Yuan Dynasty lasted around 90 years, Qing lasted 267 years, it did not even rule over all of China all that time, it controlled the entire China only for 239 years.

Vietnam was ruled by China for over 1,000 years, and France for 67 years, if you want to compare whose the bigger looser, you loose.

All of the Qing's soldiers in Vietnam during the Tonkin campaign were Han people, there were no Manchu bannermen fighting against the French. The humiliation and defeat of the French in Bang Bo, Lang son, Cau Giay and Bac Le was done entirely by Chinese, not Vietnam.

China is country with big territory and huge amount of population, you are ruled by small people like Mongolian, Jerchens (Man chu) and Japanese. Idiot comparison.
You kneed before France, signed Tianjin document under of France bullies. Don't lie.
 
Your buddy NiceGuy was lying through his teeth when he said, "China only some time occupied our Northen territory,not the hole VN".

Champa and Mekong Delta were not part of Vietnam until 1471 and 1698.

Majority of China was not under Japanese control during the war, unlike the entire Vietnam which was under Vichy French and Japanese control. The Soviet Union even attacked China in Xinjiang 1937 and then in 1944 in the Ili Rebellion during the war and China was fighting both the Soviets and the Japanese at the same time. China fought both the Red Army and Japanese Imperial Army and forced a ceasefire with the Soviet Union in 1946.

The entire northwest and southwest China, not even including Tibet, were never under Japanese control.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Japanese_Occupation_-_Map.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/China_situation_Oct1944.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Japanese_Ichigo_Plan_-_April_1944.jpg

The Viet Minh accomplished nothing against Japan. It did nothing when the Republic of China occupied northern Indochina. China managed to force France to surrender all its concessions and privileges in China with no help from America or the Soviets.

Yuan Dynasty lasted around 90 years, Qing lasted 267 years, it did not even rule over all of China all that time, it controlled the entire China only for 239 years.

Vietnam was ruled by China for over 1,000 years, and France for 67 years, if you want to compare whose the bigger looser, you loose.

All of the Qing's soldiers in Vietnam during the Tonkin campaign were Han people, there were no Manchu bannermen fighting against the French. The humiliation and defeat of the French in Bang Bo, Lang son, Cau Giay and Bac Le was done entirely by Chinese, not Vietnam.
You are a joker for editing history.

The Black Banner army was an ethnic Zhuang Army, not even Chinese, and they lost badly to the French battle after battle that their Army cease exist by 1880's. This Army never even faced head-on against the French on any battle. After the siege of Hanoi in 1885, the French virtually had control over Northern Viet Nam while the Black Banner Army was being hunted down like dogs from place to place. All of the major battles/sieges in Northern Viet Nam were between the French and Vietnamese; the Black Banner Army never bother to show up . There was no French defeat in Northern Viet Nam in the hands of the Chinese, if there was, Northern Viet Nam was out of French control already. If the Black Banner was able to score a mini ambush against the French at O Cau Giay and killing like 50 Frechmen and you count that as a "game changer" against the French, then all the casualties from the sieges that the French had to conduct against the Vietnamese defence in Northern Viet Nam would not? In fact, the Black Banner never occupied anything in Northern Viet Nam, the French just came and blew the Chinese to pieces

Btw, the battle of Bac Le was fought by the Vietnamese but you change that into a battle fought by the Chinese? Give me a break
 
You fail at history. Northern Vietnam before 1471 WAS the entire Vietnam. Southern Vietnam was Champa and Khmer territory. China occupied the entire Vietnam for 1,000 years, Champa and mekong delta were not Vietnam.

France and Spain defeated Vietnam in the Cochinchina campaign and France then seized cochinchina from Vietnam.

When France wanted to seize the entire Vietnam as a protectorate China fought almost the entire war for Vietnam and humiliated the French army. The Chinese Black flags militia humiliated France at Bac Le and the war in Tonkin ended with a Chinese victoty at Bang Bo and a humiliating retreat at Lang son for France. When France tried to invade Taiwan in the Keelung campaign, they were also beaten and pinned down and failed to take over Taiwan.

After France's military disasters, Japan and Russia allied with France and threatened an all out invasion of China if China did not let France take over Vietnam. France had demanded China pay an indemnity for Bac Le and wanted to take over Taiwan and the Pescadores, but China forced them to withdraw their demand for an idemnity and the islands in exchange for a withdrawl of Chinese forces from Vietnam.

After China's withdrawl, the French mopped up Vietnamese resistance.

Vietnamese also did not accomplish anything against Japan or France during world war 2. In fact, after the war ended, the Republic of China was assigned the task of occupying north Indochina and receiving Japanese surrenders while the British did it in the south.

The Viet minh could not do anything against the Republic of China armed forces, it was France who secured a withdrawl of China's forces after France agreed to surrender all of their extraterritorial rights and concessions in China. China managed to extract gains from France and otherwise would not have budged.

In the Viet Minh's war against France, Vietnam was supported by Lao and Cambodian Communists and China. In the Vietnam war against America, Vietnam also received support from China in military, technical and manpower assistance.

The Afghans screwed the Soviet Union and China supported the Mujahideen, while Vietnam was allied to the Soviet puppet Najibullah.

Vietnam's history of "glorious resistance" against imperialism is a facade. Without the help of China, Vietnam would still be a French colony.
You fail at history for rewriting facts.

The Chinese army in Northern Viet Nam cease to exist after being hunted down like dogs by the French any time they tried to stay put and fought a pitch battle against the French. The French completely humiliated the Chinese in total ownage that the Chinese could not even occupy one city/citadel.
 
Hoang Hoa Tham, hero of Viets who has been fought again Fran Colonie, he was killed by Chinese to get money from France. Traitors but big mouth lying.
 
You fail at history for rewriting facts.

The Chinese army in Northern Viet Nam cease to exist after being hunted down like dogs by the French any time they tried to stay put and fought a pitch battle against the French. The French completely humiliated the Chinese in total ownage that the Chinese could not even occupy one city/citadel.

FAIL. The French were defeated by the regular Chinese armies at these battles.

Bắc_Lệ_ambush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bang_Bo_(Zhennan_Pass)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_from_Lang_Son

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_tamsui

Battle of Cầu Giấy was fought by the Black banners, and was the only black flag battle I mentioned and the French were still defeated in tthat Battle.

Keep on lying mate, it doesn't erase the fact that Vietnam begged China for helped like a whipped dog with their tail begween their legs and were totally crushed by the French while China did not have to make any concessions.

By the way, liar, I mentioned battles fought by the regular provincial armies of the Qing dynasty, like the armies of Guangdong and Guangxi which had nothing to do with the black banners.

The war ended in humiliation for France, the Jules Ferry collapsed because of the retreat at Lang Son.

Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989 - Bruce A. Elleman - Google Books

Spurred on by the French attack, General Feng Zicai led his troops southward against General Francois de Negerier's forces. The situation quickly became serious for the French, as their coolies deserted, interrupting the French supply lines, and ammunition began to run short. Even though the training of the Qing troops was inferior to the French and the Chinese officer corps was poor, their absolute number were greater.

This precarious situation worsened for the French when General Negrier was wounded on 28 March. Lieutenant Colonel Paul Gustave Herbinger, who had been in Tonkin for only three months, took command. He immediately ordered the evacuation of Lang Són. Although Herbinger may have been retiring to the more strongly fortified positions further south, the retreat seemed to many to be the result of panic. Widely interpreted as a Chinese victory, the Qing forces were able to capture the strategic northern city of Lang Són and the surrounding territory by early April 1885.

China's forces now dominated the battefield, but fighting ended on 4 April 1885 as a result of peace negotiations. China sued for peace because Britain and Germany had not offered assistance as Beijing had hoped, and Russia and Japan threatened china's northern borders. Meanwhile, China's economy was injured by the French "naval interdiction of the seaborne rich trade."197 Negotiations between Li Hongzhang and the French minister in China were concluded in June 1885. Although Li did not have to admit fault for starting the war, Beijing did recognize all of the French treaties with Annam that turned it into a French protectorate."

In Taiwan, Chinese soldiers beheaded and displayed the heads of French invaders at the markets.

The island of Formosa, past and present: History, people, resources, and ... - James Wheeler Davidson - Google Books

"A most unmistakable scene in the market place occurred. Some six heads of Frenchmen, heads of the true French type were exhibited, much to the disgust of foreigners. A few visited the place where they were stuck up, and were glad to leave it—not only on account of the disgusting and barbarous character of the scene, but because tlio surrounding crowd shewed signs of turbulence. At the camp also were eight other Frenchmen's heads, a sight which might have satisfied a savage or a Hill-man, but hardly consistent with the comparatively enlightened tastes, oue would think, of Chinese soldiers even of to-day. It is not known how many of the French were killed and wounded; fourteen left their bodies on shore, and no doubt several wounded were taken back to the ships. (Chinese accounts state that twenty were killed and large numbers wounded.)

Iu the evening Captain Boteler and Consul Frater called on General Sun, remonstrating with him on the subject of cutting heads off, and allowing them to be exhibited. Consul Frater wrote him a despatch on the subject strongly deprecating such practices, aud we understand that the general promised it should not occur again, and orders were at once given to bury the heads. It is difficult for a general even situated as Sun is—having to command troops like the Hillmen, who are the veriost savages in the treatment of their enemies—to prevent such barbarities
"It is said the Chinese buried the dead bodies of the Frenchmen after the engagement on 8th instant by order of General Sun. The Chinese are in possession of a machine gun taken or found on the beach.

France demanded that CHINA pay the indemnity for Bac Le because CHINA was the one who slaughtered the French.

The Cambridge History of China - Google Books

In late June 1884, led by Wang Te-pang, one of Tso Tsung-t'ang's former officers, yung-ying troops participated in defeating the French near Baclé after three days of heavy fighting

Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989 - Bruce A. Elleman - Google Books

Unlike the Black Flag, the Qing troops tended to use conventional military tactics over guerilla warfare. Chinese land victories against the French were notable, albeit few in number, and the June 1884 Baclé incident is perhaps the most well known of the Chinese military victories

Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989 - Bruce A. Elleman - Google Books

Spurred on by their defeat at Baclé, the French decided to blockade the Chinese island of Taiwan (Formosa). Beginning on 5 August 1884, Admimral Lespes bombarded Taiwan's forts at Jilong (Keelung) Harbor on the northeast coast and destroyed the gun emplacements. However, Liu Mingchuan, a former commander of the Huai Army, successfully defended Jilong against an assault by Admiral Lespes' troops the following day; the French abandoned this attack in the face of the much large Chinese forces

Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989 - Bruce A. Elleman - Google Books

During spring 1884, negotiations between Captain Francois Ernest Fourier and Li Hongzhang resulted in a preliminary agreement, signed on 11 May, which specified that all Chinese troops would withdraw from Tonkin and return to China, Although Li had agreed that China would retreat, the exact timetable was unclear. Thinking that the Chinese had already left Annam, a French force of 900, under Lieutenant Colonel Alphonse Dugenne, was sent to occupy Lang Son during early June 1884. Before reaching Lang Son, however, Dugenne's troops encountered a Chinese garrison near Baclé and fighting erupted.

Keep on lying to cover up your humiliation, Vietnamese were the only ones hunted down like dogs by the French.

China is country with big territory and huge amount of population, you are ruled by small people like Mongolian, Jerchens (Man chu) and Japanese. Idiot comparison.
You kneed before France, signed Tianjin document under of France bullies. Don't lie.

Russia and Japan both threatened to attack China in support of France after the French were humiliated and forced to retreat at Lang Son. Japan had disputes with China and Korea and wanted to ally with France, France had demanded that China pay compensation for slaughtering French soldiers at Bac Le and they wanted to annex the Pescadores and possibly Taiwan as well. They failed in all of their demands to obtain the pescadores and for an indemnity, the only thing that happened was that China recognized France's rule over Vietnam. The big, sore loser was Vietnam.
 
You are a joker for editing history.

The Black Banner army was an ethnic Zhuang Army, not even Chinese, and they lost badly to the French battle after battle that their Army cease exist by 1880's. This Army never even faced head-on against the French on any battle. After the siege of Hanoi in 1885, the French virtually had control over Northern Viet Nam while the Black Banner Army was being hunted down like dogs from place to place. All of the major battles/sieges in Northern Viet Nam were between the French and Vietnamese; the Black Banner Army never bother to show up . There was no French defeat in Northern Viet Nam in the hands of the Chinese, if there was, Northern Viet Nam was out of French control already. If the Black Banner was able to score a mini ambush against the French at O Cau Giay and killing like 50 Frechmen and you count that as a "game changer" against the French, then all the casualties from the sieges that the French had to conduct against the Vietnamese defence in Northern Viet Nam would not? In fact, the Black Banner never occupied anything in Northern Viet Nam, the French just came and blew the Chinese to pieces

Btw, the battle of Bac Le was fought by the Vietnamese but you change that into a battle fought by the Chinese? Give me a break

Whoops, Vietnamese caught lying again.

The Cambridge History of China - Google Books

. "In 1885, the Chinese defeated French forces at Chen-nan-kuan on the China-Annam border (23 March), and went on to recapture the important city of Langson and other points in Annam during the next two weeks. In the eyes of some, China was on the verge of victory when peace negotiations forced the cessation of hostilitties on 4 April 1885."
 
FAIL

Ban (law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bang_Bo_(Zhennan_Pass)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_from_Lang_Son


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_tamsui


Keep on lying mate, it doesn't erase the fact that Vietnam begged China for helped like a whipped dog with their tail begween their legs and were totally crushed by the French while China did not have to make any concessions.

By the way, liar, I mentioned battles fought by the regular provincial armies of the Qing dynasty, like the armies of Guangdong and Guangxi which had nothing to do with the black banners.

The war ended in humiliation for France, the Jules Ferry collapsed because of the retreat at Lang Son.

Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989 - Bruce A. Elleman - Google Books



In taiwan, Chinese soldiers beheaded and displayed the heads of French invaders at the markets.

The island of Formosa, past and present: History, people, resources, and ... - James Wheeler Davidson - Google Books

France demanded that CHINA pay the indemnity for Bac Le because CHINA eas the one who slaughtered the French.

Keep on lying to cover up your humiliation, Vietnamese were the only ones hunted down like dogs by the French.



Russia and Japan both threatened to attack China in support of France after the French were humiliated and forced to retreat at Lang Son. Japan had disputes with China and Korea and wanted to ally with France, France had demanded that China pay compensation for slaughtering French soldiers at Bac Le and they wanted to annex the Pescadores and possibly Taiwan as well. They failed in all of their demands to obtain the pescadores and for an indemnity, the only thing that happened was that China recognized France's rule over Vietnam. The big, sore loser was Vietnam.
Nice editing wikipedia, let me ask you this; why the Chinese never controlled any cities in Northern Viet Nam? Ha Noi, Hai Phong, Nam Dinh, Son Tay, Bac Ninh, Hung Hoa etc? The Chinese never occupied these cities LOL, because the Chinese Army was hunted down like dogs by the French. The French controlled the entire Northern Viet Nam and chased the Chinese down like dogs to the border between China and Viet Nam and now you talk as if a skirmish at the border of China ie Lang Son with the French is a total "humiliating" defeat for the French? Are you on drug?

Let me repeat myself again, it was the French who controlled the entire North Viet Nam to the border between China and Viet Nam that resulted in China losing some land to the French; hence in 1999, Viet Nam and China had a treaty regarding this

It was Viet Nam who slaughtered the French at battle of Bac Le, you pulled sources written by the White men does not mean you can change history liar.

Again, did China able to occupy Northern Viet Nam? No, so why would that a humiliating defeat for the French? The French even pushed further up north pass the border of China and take some of your land and even make you pay compensation for the war.

The biggest sore loser in this war was China. You guys suffered countless lives lost, losing some land to the French, having to pay compensation to the French and yet never able to occupy north Viet Nam. The biggest winner in this war is us Vietnamese seeing how you two French and Chinese butchering each others

Whoops, Vietnamese caught lying again.

The Cambridge History of China - Google Books

Again, quoting Cambridge history does not make you right. Even your source contracdict itself by stating the French "defeat" at Lang Son. Yeah, the French "lost" at Lang Son but the Chinese were chased down like dog to the border so it was not the Chinese who chased the French out of northern Viet Nam, but it was the French who hunted down the Chinese and chased them even pass the Chinese border.
 
Chinese black flag rebels were robbers and thiefs, there was tragedy disasters for people living in border area with China, they stolen foods, households animals. Chinese has a altitude to lie for mental masturbation about themselves.
Chinese ran away as fast as they can before facing with France Colonies army.
 
Chinese black flag rebels were robbers and thiefs, there was tragedy disasters for people living in border area with China, they stolen foods, households animals. Chinese has a altitude to lie for mental masturbation about themselves.
Chinese ran away as fast as they can before facing with France Colonies army.
These Chinese never stop masturbating. China never even controlled Northern Viet Nam in the beginning, during, and after the war ended. Yet, these morons are proclaiming that it was a French "humiliating" defeat?

Let me switch role and say that what if the Chinese occupied the entire northern Viet Nam and chased the French out of North Viet Nam, make the French pay compensation for the war. Would that consider as a humiliating Chinese "defeat"? :omghaha:
 
Nice editing wikipedia, let me ask you this; why the Chinese never controlled any cities in Northern Viet Nam? Ha Noi, Hai Phong, Nam Dinh, Son Tay, Bac Ninh, Hung Hoa etc? The Chinese never occupied these cities LOL, because the Chinese Army was hunted down like dogs by the French. The French controlled the entire Northern Viet Nam and chased the Chinese down like dogs to the border between China and Viet Nam and now you talk as if a skirmish at the border of China ie Lang Son with the French is a total "humiliating" defeat for the French? Are you on drug?

Let me repeat myself again, it was the French who controlled the entire North Viet Nam to the border between China and Viet Nam that resulted in China losing some land to the French; hence in 1999, Viet Nam and China had a treaty regarding this

It was Viet Nam who slaughtered the French at battle of Bac Le, you pulled sources written by the White men does not mean you can change history liar.

Again, did China able to occupy Northern Viet Nam? No, so why would that a humiliating defeat for the French? The French even pushed further up north pass the border of China and take some of your land and even make you pay compensation for the war.

The biggest sore loser in this war was China. You guys suffered countless lives lost, losing some land to the French, having to pay compensation to the French and yet never able to occupy north Viet Nam. The biggest winner in this war is us Vietnamese seeing how you two French and Chinese butchering each others

:omghaha: the wiki article's information matches the sources, 5star is so ******** that he claims I edited the article to put in information, in his own words, written by "da white man". 5Star prefers to live in the fantasy world of Vietnamese nationalist historians.

Respected western historians like Lloyd E Eastman, published by Harvard university Press, is not reliable according to 5star because they are "da white man" :omghaha:

Throne and Mandarins: China's Search for a Policy During the Sino-French ... - Lloyd E. Eastman - Google Books

China did not control any major cities, because it was never there in the first place. In fact, China did not want to get into the war but France attacked first and it wanted to take the Pescadores. The war was started when the French invaded Tonkin and gave a major bitchslapping to the Vietnamese, occupying all their land. The Vietnamese then first begged the black flags and then China for help. Despite incidents like Bac Le, China did not officially enter the war until the French preemptively attacked and destroyed the Fuzhou fleet docked in Fujian. France demanded that China pay an indemnity for Bac Le.

China then declared war, and France attacked the Pescadores and Taiwan, but were bitchslapped by China when they tried to start a land invasion at Keelung.

The Cambridge History of China - Google Books

France wanted to capture Taiwan but FAILED

American Annual Cyclopaedia and Register of Important Events - Google Books

China's attacks against the French in northern Vietnam were in response to Frances attacks on mainland China and Taiwan. China didn't have any pressing need to liberate the Vietnamese cities, their goal was to prolong the war and bring Britain and Germany in on China's side. But after the French retreat at Lang Son and collapse of the Jules Ferry government, both Russia and Japan threatened to invade China so China agreed to a peace treaty recognizing Vietnam as Frances property, in exchange for France withdrawing from Taiwan, the pescadores and dropping its indemnity demand.

After the French huniliation in the war, the French continued the Tonkin Campaign and hunt down Vietnamese peasants who were previously cowering behind the Chinese armies. They killed thouands of Vietnamese in the Pacfication of Tonkin when they were enforcing their hold on Indochina. Vietnam was the biggest loser, they lost their whole independence and thousands of Vietnamese peasants were killed by the French.
 
These Chinese never stop masturbating. China never even controlled Northern Viet Nam in the beginning, during, and after the war ended. Yet, these morons are proclaiming that it was a French "humiliating" defeat?

Let me switch role and say that what if the Chinese occupied the entire northern Viet Nam and chased the French out of North Viet Nam, make the French pay compensation for the war. Would that consider as a humiliating Chinese "defeat"? :omghaha:

More humiliation coming for you.

Text of the Treaty of Tianjin

http://bumali.com/06.war.franco-chinese treaty.shtml

http://uschinaforum.usc.edu/getattachment.ashx?fileid=1275

Where is the "compensation"? :omghaha: where is the payment you claim China made to France?

Treaty of peace, friendship and commerce between France and China, signed at Tientsin 9th June 1885

Treaties between the empire of China and Foreign Powers together with regulations for the conduct of foreign trade, conventions, agreements, regulations etc. – ed. by W.F.Mayers. Shanghai. North-China Herald Limited. 1906. pp. 239-241

The President of the French Republic and His Majesty the Emperor of China, animated, the one and the other, by an equal desire to put an end to the difficulties they have given each other by their simultaneous interventions in the affairs of Annam, and wishing to reestablish and ameliorate the former relations of friendship and commerce which existed between France and China, have resolved to conclude a new treaty responding to the common interests of the two nations, based on the Preliminary Convention signed at Tientsin, 11 May 1884, and ratified by imperial Decree, 13 April 1885.

To that effect, the two High Contracting Parties have designated their plenipotentiaries, to wit: the President of the French Republic: M. JULES PATENOTRE, Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of France in China, Officer of the Legion d’Honneur, Grand-Cross of the Polar Star of Sweden, etc; and His Majesty the Emperor of China: LI HUNG-CHANG, Imperial Commissioner, First Grand Secretary of State, Tutor of the Heir Presumptive, Superintendent of Trade of the Northern Ports, Governor-General of the Province of Chihli, holder of the First Degree of the Third Rank of Nobility, with the title Souyi; assisted by HSI CHEN, Imperial Commissioner, Member of the Council of Foreign Affairs, President of the Ministry of Justice, Administrator of the Treasure of the Ministry of Finances, Director of the Schools for the Education of the Hereditary Officers of the Left Wing of the Tartar Army of Peking, Commander-in-Chief of the Chinese Contingent of the Yellow Bordered Banner; and TENG CH’ENG-HSIU, Imperial Commissioner, Member of the Ceremonial Estate; who, after communicating to each other their plenipotentiary powers, which they have recognized as in good and due form, are agreed on the following Articles.

С ARTICLE ONE France engages herself to reestablish and maintain order in the provinces of Annam which border upon the Chinese Empire. To that effect, she will take the measures necessary to disperse or expel the bands of pillagers and vagabonds which compromise the public tranquility, thus preventing it from reforming itself. Nevertheless, French troops will not cross the frontier which separates Tonkin from China, a frontier which France promises to respect and guarantee against all aggression. On her side, China engages herself to disperse or expel the bands which take refuge in her provinces bordering on Tonkin, and to disperse those which seek to organize themselves on her territory in order to spread trouble among the populations placed under the protection of France, and in consideration of the guarantees which have been accorded to her for the security of her frontier, she categorically pledges not to send troops to Tonkin. The High Contracting Parties will fix by a special convention the conditions under which wrongdoers will be extradited between China and Annam. Chinese colonists or former soldiers who live peaceably in Annam, earning their living by agriculture, industry or commerce and whose conduct is above reproach, shall enjoy the same security for their persons and their goods as French proteges.

ARTICLE TWO China, having decided to do nothing which could compromise the work of pacification undertaken by France, engages herself to respect, in the present and in the future, the treaties, conventions and arrangements directly concluded or to be concluded between France and Annam. In those things which concern the relationships between China and Annam, it is intended that they will be of a nature such as not to affront the dignity of the Chinese Empire, and not to lead to any violation of the present treaty.

ARTICLE THREE After an interval of six months from the signature of the present treaty, commissioners designated by the High Contracting Parties will go to delineate the frontier between China and Tonkin. They will place, wherever there is need, boundary markers designed to clearly delineate the line of demarcation. In the case where they can not agree among themselves on the placement of the markers or on the rectifications of detail in the actual frontier of Tonkin which it may be necessary to make in the common interest of both parties, they will refer it to their respective governments.

ARTICLE FOUR When the frontier has been identified, the French, French proteges and foreign inhabitants of Tonkin who wish to cross it in order to go to China will only be allowed to do so after having previously furnished themselves with passports delivered by Chinese authorities at the frontier on the request of the French authorities. For Chinese subjects, an authorization by the imperial Frontier Authorities will suffice. Chinese subjects who wish to travel from China to Tonkin, by the land route, must be provided with regular passports by the French authorities on request by the Imperial Authorities.

ARTICLE FIVE Import and export trade will be permitted to French merchants or French proteges and to Chinese merchants on the land frontier between China and Tonkin. It must be carried out, however, at certain points which will be determined later and the choice as well as the number will be in agreement with the direction of flow as well as the importance of the traffic of the two countries. The regulations in force in the interior of the Chinese Empire will be taken into account in this respect. Two trading posts will be designated on the Chinese frontier, one above Lao Cai and the other above Lang Son. French merchants may establish themselves there under the same conditions and with the same advantages as in the treaty ports. The Government of His Majesty the Emperor of China will set up customs posts there, and the Government of the Republic will be able to maintain consuls there with the same privileges and prerogatives accorded to similar agents in the treaty ports. His Majesty the Emperor of China may appoint consuls in the principal towns of Tonkin, subject to the agreement of the French Government.

ARTICLE SIX A special regulation, annexed to the present treaty, will specify the conditions in which will be carried out the land commerce between Tonkin and the Chinese provinces of Yunnan, Kwangsi and Kwangtung. That regulation will be prepared by commissioners who will be named by the High Contracting Parties within three months of the signing of the present treaty. The merchandise which will be the object of this commerce will be subject to, on entering and leaving Tonkin and the provinces of Yunnan and Kwangsi, the same duties as those stipulated for foreign commerce. However, the reduced tariff will not be applied to merchandise transported across the land frontier between Tonkin and Kwangtung and will not have effect in the ports opened by the treaties. Trade in arms, machinery, provisions and munitions of war of all kinds will be subject to the laws and regulations laid down by each of the contracting states on its territory. The export and import of opium will be regulated by special arrangements which will be part of the above mentioned commercial regulations. The sea trade between China and Annam will be equally the object of a special regulation, provided that it contains no deviations from common practice.

ARTICLE SEVEN In view of the development of conditions advantageous for commercial relations and neighbourliness which the present treaty has for its object to reestablish between France and China, the Government of the Republic will construct roads in Tonkin and will encourage the construction of railways there. When, on her side, China decides to construct railway tracks, it is intended that she will address herself to French industry, and the Government of the Republic will provide her with every facility for the procurement in France of the personnel that she needs. It is also intended that this clause will not be considered as constituting an exclusive privilege in favour of France.

ARTICLE EIGHT The commercial stipulations of the present treaty and the regulations arising from them can be revised after an interval of ten years has elapsed, dating from the exchange of ratifications of the present treaty. But, in the case where, six months before the appointed time, neither one nor the other of the High Contracting Parties has manifested a desire to proceed with revision, the commercial stipulations will remain in force for a new period of ten years and so forth.

ARTICLE NINE After the present treaty has been signed, French forces will receive the order to retire from Keelung and to cease visitation, etc., on the high seas. Within one month after the signature of the present treaty, the Island of Formosa and the Pescadores will be entirely evacuated by French troops.

ARTICLE TEN The provisions of older treaties, accords and conventions between France and China, not modified by the present treaty, remain in full force. The present treaty will be ratified first by His Majesty the Emperor of China, and after that it will be ratified by the President of the French Republic, the exchange of ratifications to take place at Peking after the shortest possible delay. Done at Tientsin in four examples, 9 June 1885, corresponding to the 27th day of the fourth month of the eleventh year of Kuang-Hsu.
 
:omghaha: the wiki article's information matches the sources, 5star is so ******** that he claims I edited the article to put in information, in his own words, written by "da white man". 5Star prefers to live in the fantasy world of Vietnamese nationalist historians.

Respected western historians like Lloyd E Eastman, published by Harvard university Press, is not reliable according to 5star because they are "da white man" :omghaha:

Throne and Mandarins: China's Search for a Policy During the Sino-French ... - Lloyd E. Eastman - Google Books

China did not control any major cities, because it was never there in the first place. In fact, China did not want to get into the war but France attacked first and it wanted to take the Pescadores. The war was started when the French invaded Tonkin and gave a major bitchslapping to the Vietnamese, occupying all their land. The Vietnamese then first begged the black flags and then China for help. Despite incidents like Bac Le, China did not officially enter the war until the French preemptively attacked and destroyed the Fuzhou fleet docked in Fujian. France demanded that China pay an indemnity for Bac Le.

China then declared war, and France attacked the Pescadores and Taiwan, but were bitchslapped by China when they tried to start a land invasion at Keelung.

The Cambridge History of China - Google Books

France wanted to capture Taiwan but FAILED

American Annual Cyclopaedia and Register of Important Events - Google Books

China's attacks against the French in northern Vietnam were in response to Frances attacks on mainland China and Taiwan. China didn't have any pressing need to liberate the Vietnamese cities, their goal was to prolong the war and bring Britain and Germany in on China's side. But after the French retreat at Lang Son and collapse of the Jules Ferry government, both Russia and Japan threatened to invade China so China agreed to a peace treaty recognizing Vietnam as Frances property, in exchange for France withdrawing from Taiwan, the pescadores and dropping its indemnity demand.

After the French huniliation in the war, the French continued the Tonkin Campaign and hunt down Vietnamese peasants who were previously cowering behind the Chinese armies. They killed thouands of Vietnamese in the Pacfication of Tonkin when they were enforcing their hold on Indochina. Vietnam was the biggest loser, they lost their whole independence and thousands of Vietnamese peasants were killed by the French.
Again, Chinese Army never able to occupy North Viet Nam so what's the objective of Chinese in this war for sending troops to Viet Nam? Just to run around to get mowed down by the French? French held Tonkin firmly while shooting Chinese troops for sport. The French even expanded the war by attacking China for meddling into Viet Nam. The French completely humiliated China making you guys pay compensatin for the war, recognized Viet Nam as French Protectorate, even annexing some part of your land and you call that a French "defeat" due to some skirmish at the border that the French chased you down?

More humiliation coming for you.

Text of the Treaty of Tianjin

http://bumali.com/06.war.franco-chinese treaty.shtml

http://uschinaforum.usc.edu/getattachment.ashx?fileid=1275

Where is the "compensation"? :omghaha: where is the payment you claim China made to France?
I did not claim, it was you who claim that French demanded compensation from China for their "defeat" at Bac Le? How is that a "defeat" for France? LOL
 
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