T90 Compared with Al Khalid

[Aryan2002]

Great news for Pakistan......Keep up the good work...

 

[C130]

how well does T-72B3 compare to both??

 

[Jamwal's]

@Dazzler asked me to open this thread.


Edit some moderator thought it would be funny to change the title from T-90 to Arjun.

He wanted me to open a thread about the T-90SM/T-90A vs Al-Khalid because he made many claims but refused to answer them in the very thread he made the comments in. Or to be blunt he was pounding his chest and then backed out, then told me to open a new thread.


Going back weeks now Dazzler claims he knows the classified armor of the T-90, yet after asking him a dozen times or so to reveal this armor he refuses.

Another claim is that Russian battle field management is garbage and so is the fire control system on the T-90 yet when it comes to providing hard facts and details he has no answer. And what T-90 did you get to sit in again? Where was this again? Still have no answered that either.



Lets see how shitty the T-90s fire control system is:





Old article with broken link:

During one of the displays, T-90 struck 7 targets in 54 seconds. All were at the distance between 1500-2500m and the tank was on the move at 25km/h. While returning to position, the layer gave the control to the commander who used the gunner mode to fire to the rear of the vehicle and hit 4 more targets.



during the official trials of T-90, all of the ammunitions were fired by young conscripts who just finished training. All of the rounds – 24 of them, hit targets at a distance of 4-5km.


Indian crews quickly mastered the T-90S, they also did not have problems with the fire control and thermo-vision systems. Just after several training sessions Lt. Kapur of the Indian army acted as layer who accurately fired on to the targets at 2500-3000m. Officers from one of the panzer corps needed 20 minutes to familiarize with T-90S and successfully complete the task of destroying 4 targets at night from a distance of 3100m at an ambient temperature of 47°C.

Indian T 90 which is produced in Avadi since 2009 is around 50 - 52 tons due to kanchan composite Armor.

Due to this its ground pressure is higher than Russian one.

I am now posting some of the equipments in Indian T-90 tanks, made by BEL

^^^^DIGITAL INTERCOM SYSTEM

^^^^ADVANCED LAND NAVIGATION SYSTEM (ALNS)

^^^WEAPON STABILISER SYSTEM FOR T-90S TANK

->There are videos of Indian T-90 with RCWS,I am not sure how many units are equipped with RCWs or their origin. However there are RCWS of Indian origin.

^^^DRDO made



None of the Indian T-90 tanks have an APS, as far as I know.

@Dazzler and others : I've posted what I know about Indian T-90s, if you need sources or other infos, please feel free to ask.

Apart from Russian 3BM 42 "Mango" This is the new round in service based on Israeli CL series Clone

 

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So which tank won in the end?

 

[Dazzler]

T-90 vs. TOW..

 

[Awan68]

os oka muqabla

(Al khalid is named after Khalid bin waleed,victorious in more than hundred battles and never defeated)

There is no comparison one is a fairy tale character while the other is arguably the greatest general to have ever lived with the unmatched record if never bieng defeated and bringing about the downfall militarily of two superpowers if that age..

 

[YeBeWarned]

@Dazzler bro you roasted the fanboys in this thread
never knew much info about our own AK .. Wonderful piece of information bro

 

[Dazzler]

Indian T 90 which is produced in Avadi since 2009 is around 50 - 52 tons due to kanchan composite Armor.

Due to this its ground pressure is higher than Russian one.


Apart from Russian 3BM 42 "Mango" This is the new round in service based on Israeli CL series Clone


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CL clone is no longer produced, the company (IMI) was banned to work in India due to corruption charges.

 

[Director General]

CL clone is no longer produced, the company (IMI) was banned to work in India due to corruption charges.

That was only on paper.

Anyways IMI has already been removed from blacklist quietly over two years back:
http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...20/india-removes-imi-from-blacklist/70016346/

 

[Dazzler]

That was only on paper.

Anyways IMI has already been removed from blacklist quietly over two years back:
http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...20/india-removes-imi-from-blacklist/70016346/

No, the local version had severe quality issues and IA was not interested in the round at all. Read this,

When the DRDO Mk-1 125mm round went into production in 1997, it was already working on Mk-2 version of the round. This it was doing without any GSQR for such a product. With TOT for 125mm round leading to suspension of production of DRDO Mk-1/AMK-340, IA was not interested in DRDO Mk-2 round.
However, DRDO persisted with the development and when ground was literally pulled from below the feet of Army due to IMI blacklisting; this became the only recourse available.

The CAG Report No.24 of 2011-12 (Defense Services) explains the development of DRDO Mk-2 round:
“Ministry of Defence, Department of Defence Research and Development (DDRD) in May 1996 sanctioned the above project at a cost of INR 2.30 crore to be completed by May 1998. It was sanctioned by DRDO without GSQR from Army HQ. The project after four revisions of probable date of completion (PDC) and three cost revisions, was closed in December 2004 after an expenditure INR 7.27 crore.

The ammunition developed by the Laboratory did not meet the Users’ requirement as Users expressed an apprehension as to whether the trials conducted for MK-II ammunition in the absence of GSQR for this ammunition would qualify as user trials.

To resolve the issue, the ammunition was subjected to Accelerated User Cum Reliability Trials (AUCRT) in August 2007 which again proved to be unsatisfactory. Ministry of Defence in its reply in February 2011 stated that trials with 30 rounds of improved ammunition, have been successfully completed in May 2010 and Army HQ has given go ahead for accelerated user trials with 500 rounds of the improved ammunition. Ministry’s reply should be viewed in the background of the fact that even after a lapse of 15 years the ammunition is yet to be inducted. Such ammunition is still being imported by Army.”
This ammunition is expected to go into production in 2015.

To date, no Mk.2 rounds have been produced after that debacle.

 

[Director General]

No, the local version had severe quality issues and IA was not interested in the round at all. Read this,

When the DRDO Mk-1 125mm round went into production in 1997, it was already working on Mk-2 version of the round. This it was doing without any GSQR for such a product. With TOT for 125mm round leading to suspension of production of DRDO Mk-1/AMK-340, IA was not interested in DRDO Mk-2 round.
However, DRDO persisted with the development and when ground was literally pulled from below the feet of Army due to IMI blacklisting; this became the only recourse available.

The CAG Report No.24 of 2011-12 (Defense Services) explains the development of DRDO Mk-2 round:
“Ministry of Defence, Department of Defence Research and Development (DDRD) in May 1996 sanctioned the above project at a cost of INR 2.30 crore to be completed by May 1998. It was sanctioned by DRDO without GSQR from Army HQ. The project after four revisions of probable date of completion (PDC) and three cost revisions, was closed in December 2004 after an expenditure INR 7.27 crore.

The ammunition developed by the Laboratory did not meet the Users’ requirement as Users expressed an apprehension as to whether the trials conducted for MK-II ammunition in the absence of GSQR for this ammunition would qualify as user trials.

To resolve the issue, the ammunition was subjected to Accelerated User Cum Reliability Trials (AUCRT) in August 2007 which again proved to be unsatisfactory. Ministry of Defence in its reply in February 2011 stated that trials with 30 rounds of improved ammunition, have been successfully completed in May 2010 and Army HQ has given go ahead for accelerated user trials with 500 rounds of the improved ammunition. Ministry’s reply should be viewed in the background of the fact that even after a lapse of 15 years the ammunition is yet to be inducted. Such ammunition is still being imported by Army.”
This ammunition is expected to go into production in 2015.

To date, no Mk.2 rounds have been produced after that debacle.

Old CAG report from 2012.
Mk2 rounds went into production in 2014-15.

 

[Dazzler]

Old CAG report from 2012.
Mk2 rounds went into production in 2014-15.

Where is the proof?

 

[cerberus]

Where is the proof?

Read the report you quoted yourself

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[Dazzler]

Read the report you quoted yourself

Last line

Goodness, so that is your proof?

By the way, is it not an "Old CAG report from 2012."?

 

[John Reese]

Goodness, so that is your proof?

By the way, is it not an "Old CAG report from 2012."?

Do you have Proof of Nasr being operationally deployed in any regiment ??

you expecting proof classified details of military production Which only Military experts can access
Recently Indian army procured 3 billion $ of Munitions and spares only Do you Know its details

CAG is a secondary audit organisation MOD itself have internal audit body call CGDA