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That was a complicate affair,it was win win as the S 300 didn't end up in Cyprus and as far as i know that system isn't fully integrated with NATO.I think that the chinese based turkish system will be stand alone,NATO officials repeatedly said that if they go this way it won't be data linked with NATO.

Or,it could be a win for NATO as they get their hands on a important piece of chinese technology and that was the plan all along.

I agree, the biggest winner of this tender is not China, but the US. US will get the first shipment. China might as well send the first shipment directly to Los Angeles for inspection. And don't worry, Turkey will pay for it.
 
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Don't forget, India has Brahmos. They can use that for AA as well.

A good joke! :lol:

I agree, the biggest winner of this tender is not China, but the US. US will get the first shipment. China might as well send the first shipment directly to Los Angeles for inspection. And don't worry, Turkey will pay for it.

LOL.. The biggest winner is China. In order for the HQ-9 SAM to be integrate with NATO system. It needs the Chinese technician to assess all NATO system in Turkey. China can shoot down western fighter like flies in times of war. :lol:

Turkey and western countries are at bad blood. The EU always reject Turkey participation and treat thems as second class citizen. Its time for Turkish to rise and be leader in Europe with China assist.
 
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And since they move forward, lets watch their next steps. I still would bet that they would not transfer the tech.

I'm sure they won't transfer the techs to anyone else !

On the side note, I wonder why India didn't offer Brahmos since its the best missile out there. They surely can find a way to make Brahmos an anti air missile. Just like how they converted Kavari engine to a train and boat engine.

I don't think that the Brahmos can be converted into an AA Missile ! :unsure:
 
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I think Turkey's military industry is far superior than India, we can cooperate more with each in the coming decades. May be China/Turkey/Pakistan shall codevelop the next gen AA missle.
 
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I'm sure they won't transfer the techs to anyone else !



I don't think that the Brahmos can be converted into an AA Missile ! :unsure:

Most people cannot. But on this forum, maybe Indian members can.

I think Turkey's military industry is far superior than India, we can cooperate more with each in the coming decades. May be China/Turkey/Pakistan shall codevelop the next gen AA missle.

I'm not sure if Turkey can compare with India. Did Turkey ever made a movie about being a superpower by 2030?
 
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Any of the other contenders willing to offer TOT ?

Not just becos of TOT. Becos HQ-9 is very superior.. Remember PLZ-45 SPH? Many are surprised of China winning bid. In the end, it proves, it win on merit. Kuwait and Saudi subsequently order more of these system based on superior performance.
 
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A good joke! :lol:



LOL.. The biggest winner is China. In order for the HQ-9 SAM to be integrate with NATO system. It needs the Chinese technician to assess all NATO system in Turkey. China can shoot down western fighter like flies in times of war. :lol:

Turkey and western countries are at bad blood. The EU always reject Turkey participation and treat thems as second class citizen. Its time for Turkish to rise and be leader in Europe with China assist.

I don't think US would allow China to assess the NATO system. US would pull out of turkey before this happens. Which is probably underway now.
 
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I don't think US would allow China to assess the NATO system. US would pull out of turkey before this happens. Which is probably underway now.

Turkey can seek closer to China. Who cares about declining US? :lol:

Do you stick with a young and strong man or a old hag? :lol:
 
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Not just becos of TOT. Becos HQ-9 is very superior.. Remember PLZ-45 SPH? Many are surprised of China winning bid. In the end, it proves, it win on merit. Kuwait and Saudi subsequently order more of these system based on superior performance.

HQ-9 has features from S-300 and Patriots, also longer range so I'm not surprised. My question did the other contenders offer TOT to make a more attractive ? btw I see that Russia offered the S-300 and not the S-400.
 
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HQ-9 has features from S-300 and Patriots, also longer range so I'm not surprised. My question did the other contenders offer TOT to make a more attractive ? btw I see that Russia offered the S-300 and not the S-400.

Actually, Greece is a big factor in making S-300 and Patriot out of the bid race for Turkey missile system. That left Europe Aster system as the most credible contender. But I guess the system is overhyped and over priced. Turkish is not impressed. HQ-9 prove far superior and reasonable price.
 
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Information Dissemination: Chinese Firm wins Turkish Air Defense competition

Thursday, September 26, 2013
Chinese Firm wins Turkish Air Defense competition
In a surprise to many PLA followers, this news of China winning the Turkish Air Defense competition came out today. A lot of us had followed the competition, but thought Chinese and Russian bids were only sought out to bring down the price tag of Western companies. It turned out that an export version of HQ-9 has beaten out PAC-3, S-300PMU2 and Aster-30.

Clearly, this is a huge win for the Chinese military industrial complex. While this was not China's first export deal to Turkey (that would be WS-1B) or its first air defense export, Chinese firms have never won a major export deal like this in NATO countries. As shown in the dropping of price tag for $4 billion to $3 billion, the Chinese system obviously had a big advantage in price tag. Also, they are likely to be willing to share more technology and go for more local production than Raytheon and Lockmart. However, the lack of integration with NATO system along with general pressure from American government put both the Chinese and Russian bids at a disadvantage. What this result shows is that the Chinese system must have achieved at least comparable technical performance in the bidding process compared to its competition and probably won out due to cost + co-production.

On the other hand, one would think that S-300 would have similar advantages to Western systems. So, does this mean HQ-9 performed better than S-300PMU2 or was it more due to lower price? Either way, we do know that China has stopped purchase of S-300PMU2 while deploying new HQ-9 units. At the same time, there are also persistent rumours that China is looking to purchase S-400.

Going forward, I think we will only see Chinese firms doing better in international competition. SIPRI data from recent years have shown increased Chinese military export. Even if this deal does not go ahead, it really shows what PLA followers already know -> that Chinese military industrial complex is really catching up in many areas.
 
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I love the way faithfulguy stings the Indians. He does it in a very subtle way.

I am not trying to sting them. I just want to acknowledge that they have the ambition to be superpower by creating the video and have all the facebook pages about becoming a superpower.
 
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Iran doesn't have the S-300s. This HQ-9 deal may well include Pakistan as a guarantor, you'll get the top notch gear. ;)

China won't sell HQ9 to Iran cause we have to take care of Israelis' feeling. Uncle sam always keeps its eyes on China from selling advanced weapon to Iranian, both countries might reach an tacit mutual understanding. PAF will go for J31 and Turkey might choose F35 in the future. HQ9 render turkey the ability to take out fighters invading its territorial sky no matter who. I appreciate Turkey goverment's reasonable decion under NATO's pressure, you are independant country having guts and bones.
 
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Actually, Greece is a big factor in making S-300 and Patriot out of the bid race for Turkey missile system. That left Europe Aster system as the most credible contender. But I guess the system is overhyped and over priced. Turkish is not impressed. HQ-9 prove far superior and reasonable price.

Very astute point. Greece is a historical enemy of Turkey. But so is Russia. So Turkey would not want to procure a system its enemy can study.

China is far and away from Turkey. So there would be no conflicts between the two.
 
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