T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[Icarus]

How many do you think we'd procure ?

And more importantly - Janaab phir Iftari purrr kub bolaa raheiii hain ?

I don't even know for sure if its been selected as yet, I had no prior notice of this, I tried getting in touch with someone at AC Dte but being a sunday and all its proving to be difficult.
Aaj toh janab main khud iftari par ja raha hun.

 

[Armstrong]

Aaj toh janab main khud iftari par ja raha hun.

Sethi Sahib yeh tou seedhaa hii 'No' kar diyaa aaap neiii !

Is it because I am Butt ?

Discrimination....Discrimination !

Thoraa khaoon gaa....promise !

 

[Dazzler]

Just a side note, oplot m will give Pakistan a significant boost over the adversary, something they cannot overcome till they get something like Armata.

I was told the oplot had an upper hand during trials and MBT 3000 had some issues as usual with engine and transmission, same as with early type-85II had.

 

[Spectre]

Just a side note, oplot m will give Pakistan a significant boost over the adversary, something they cannot overcome till they get something like Armata.

I was told the oplot had an upper hand during trials and MBT 3000 had some issues as usual with engine and transmission, same as with early type-85II had.

How does oplot compares with T-90 MS because afaik India signed a USD 1.6 Billion deal for around 350 T-90 MS.

Just a query without any insinuation

 

[Dazzler]

it will not materialise because Ukraine is in turmoil. if Pakistan does like the t84 they can add various components on to the mbt-3000 to make it to their standard.

the mbt 3000 will come with a lower unit price guaranteed delivery. [Ukraine is in trouble it may decide not to send the tanks and use them for it's self in possible desperation] if the t84 comes with a TOT then go for it and don't look back.

also the pictures in the thread don't mean anything it just shows a pakistani checking the t84, just how pakistan was checking the t129 helicopter. don't count on it. money is a factor, it always is.

U r wrong mate, Ukrainians love their t-64s so much they upgraded 500 of them from the t-80ud sales. Same with recent Thailand order, they sold about 44 and upgraded 100 to BM Bulat standard. No way they r gonna induct any oplots soon till their t-64s simply run out of stock. Which is not gonna happen as they have more than 1000 of them

How does oplot compares with T-90 MS because afaik India signed a USD 1.6 Billion deal for around 350 T-90 MS.

Just a query without any insinuation

Strictly technical, oplot has an upper hand in several features especially the armour, FCS and engine transmission .

 

[Yazp]

Well, Aren't the Chinese and Ruskies going to be mad at us?
I mean we're abandoning the Chinese tanks and we're buying from the Ukrainians who are at a de facto war with Russia.

 

[Armstrong]

Just a side note, oplot m will give Pakistan a significant boost over the adversary, something they cannot overcome till they get something like Armata.

I was told the oplot had an upper hand during trials and MBT 3000 had some issues as usual with engine and transmission, same as with early type-85II had.

Dazzler Bhai, if you were to tell a layman like me : What exactly does the Oplot offer us that the T-80 UDs and the AK 1s already don't possess ?

 

[Yazp]

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The oplot M has been considerd over the MBT 3000. It is official that Pakistan will not pursue the MB-3000

Certain change will be made.Allow me to further explain. The Ukrainians have offered the tank a standard version.

Our demand

Or

Plus Demand of local manufacturing of spare parts.

When I say local yes I say with confidance that we have demanded that 60% of the components be made in Pakistan.

Oh man, that is the ugliest tank I have ever seen...

 

[cabatli_53]

Sir, I do agree with some of the points, you have raised. ALTAY is essentially in a development phase, Its engine is German, we dont know how it will perform in our hot climate. The indigenous Turkish engine development is planned but how it will go ahead in future, no body knows.
Price tag around $6million v/s OPLOT $4.5 million
Currently Ukraine needs money, we may get good discounts on it. Look on bigger picture, we may get complete ToT (including engines) and IFV deal as well.
Turkey's tank is a future thing. Ukraine was the industrial hub of Soviet Union. T series plant was essentially in Ukraine. Ukraine industrial know how in tank design and engine technology is superior to Turks as of now. Lastly if you are placing your bets on ALTAY, then there is no logic of AK2 project.

Turkish tank is not actually a future thing, just 1-2 years for serial production and Long trial phase are being made to see How It performs. The four prototypes were produced for different trial schedules. MTR for chassis for example, FTR for turrets. Prototypes are being tested on both hot and winter areas for feedbacks. In accordance with informations, The designs are upgraded on PV-1 and PV-2 prototypes.

 

[Zarvan]

U r wrong mate, Ukrainians love their t-64s so much they upgraded 500 of them from the t-80ud sales. Same with recent Thailand order, they sold about 44 and upgraded 100 to BM Bulat standard. No way they r gonna induct any oplots soon till their t-64s simply run out of stock. Which is not gonna happen as they have more than 1000 of them



Strictly technical, oplot has an upper hand in several features especially the armour, FCS and engine transmission .

When should we expect new AK will be revealed ?

 

[Blue Marlin]

U r wrong mate, Ukrainians love their t-64s so much they upgraded 500 of them from the t-80ud sales. Same with recent Thailand order, they sold about 44 and upgraded 100 to BM Bulat standard. No way they r gonna induct any oplots soon till their t-64s simply run out of stock. Which is not gonna happen as they have more than 1000 of them



Strictly technical, oplot has an upper hand in several features especially the armour, FCS and engine transmission .

did not no read any thing i wrote? i did not even mention the t64? to point i am making is that the t84 may be a good tank but the current situation in urkraine will affect possible deliveries. and also Pakistan is warming to russia and it would rathe side with russia therewith urkraine. yes i know Pakistan has received a lot of tanks from urkraine[320] the t84 may be a good tank but i am staying firm with what i am saying .
1. either they may buy some t84's of the shelf
2. buy surplus t80's and upgrade then to t84 // or merge idea 1 and 2 together
3. use t84 parts on the mbt 3000 to make it to pakistan's standard.

also regarding the power the Chinese tank has a 1500hp water cooled engine. but if idea 3 materialises Pakistan will go for the kmdb 6td3 which has 1500 hp as Pakistan is use to having Ukrainian engines in the t80 and the al Khalid

 

[razgriz19]

 

[Blue Marlin]

nice

 

[FunkyGen]

@kaonalpha @Dazzler @Oscar @DESERT FIGHTER
Brothers can i get an explaination on this?
Does HIT plan to introduce robots in it's plants and if so weren't they present before? thanks in advance...

 

[Zarvan]

I don't even know for sure if its been selected as yet, I had no prior notice of this, I tried getting in touch with someone at AC Dte but being a sunday and all its proving to be difficult.
Aaj toh janab main khud iftari par ja raha hun.

Than please try to get it confirmed and if its confirmed why two more Tanks are coming for tests in December ?