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Obviously if we are paying money we will get something better than we already have and I think these tanks will serve our north west than eastern border. The main problem with T-80 was fuel and upgrading it will bring down that cost. Plus the main threat from west is RPG and new armor upgrade gives that protection. You are all focused on what we need in east but in the western front turbine engine will perform good. Plus tank is being used in middle east and desert is no issue for it. Syria got the upgrade of few T-80 as military aid from Russia. The upgraded tank did well there.
@Dazzler do you recall 1995/1997 when Russia blocked the sale of T-80 to Pakistan? What we got was a compromise then. Now with upgrade we are getting a good boost.
Okay good points so why are getting these upgrades now?There a long story behind it but to cut it short, the Ukrainians had a huge armour industry for decades. In fact, the crown jewel of Soviet Union, the t-64, was a Ukrainian product. Essentially, they had the the modified t-80 in the works and had the first t-84 was available as early as 1987.
Where am i getting with this? Simple - when the Russians sanctioned Ukrainians, it turned to be a blessing in disguise as we got a much better T-80UD that had elements from the 84 including engine, turret and FCS.
Okay good points so why are getting these upgrades now?
In your thinking.
seems fake news as the link which you have provided mention Sputnik news as a source wile there is nothing mention in Sputnik news in this regards
https://sputniknews.com/search/?query=Pakistan
https://sputniknews.com/search/?query=T-80
For any or most of the following reasons:
- Russian offer performed better than the Ukrainian version (highly unlikely)
- Ukrainians could not perform the upgrades within the deadline
- Russians came with a better offer with slashed prices
- to fill the pockets of some higher ups perhaps
The worst part is that unlike Ukrainians, Russians have a habit of milking customers. See the Indian t-90 saga.
The actual reason we are more Russian inclined now in foreign policy.
Secondly it is very easy to compare Ukrainian with Russian performance specs are out there.
For any or most of the following reasons:
- Russian offer performed better than the Ukrainian version (highly unlikely)
- Ukrainians could not perform the upgrades within the deadline
- Russians came with a better offer with slashed prices
- to fill the pockets of some higher ups perhaps
The worst part is that unlike Ukrainians, Russians have a habit of milking customers. See the Indian t-90 saga.
There may be Political reasons as well, since Ukraine government was installed by the US, and with Pak - US relations not very good, I would not be surprised if the US played their hand to create issues between Pak-Ukraine deal which was signed only a few months ago.
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It's been around for years.1995 Video of T-80 UD testing and trails