T-129 for Pakistan one step closer

[Tipu7]

Lol @cabatli_53
You are most lovely person on PDF right now.
Pls keep us in touch with news related to T129.

Let's assume that Pakistan place an order of 36 T129b by end of this year, how long TAI will take to materialize deliveries?
Plus
Does T129b will be able to carry 16 Umtas or hellfire ?

The T-129B is a must for the Pakistani forces. The Cobras are really being stretched, and with Turkey you get a warm dependable country that you can rely on.
Oh and ask for Altay as well lol.

How about Upgraded Altay with 125mm Gun?

 

[Savas-Usta]

well Turkey is a reliable country and we should go after their altay tanks and join their tf 2000 milgem project also their 5t generation fighter

No. Turkey and Pakistan should jointly develop a new tank for Pakistani requirements. Altay is far too expensive then it needs to be for Pakistan requirements IMO and may underperform in climates it was NOT developed for. Tank should be developed around new indigenous engine being developed by Austrian-Turkish cooperation and parts should be produced in pakistan.

 

[HRK]

Which part the CSF?

AH-1Z were bought with CSF funding ....

 

[tarrar]

Pakistan should not by any means rush into T129, as the heli uses US made engine & may be some other more components. US can easily block the supplies & then once again Pakistan will be in trouble. I don't know why WZ10 & specially MI28 is not considered for Pakistan army. There are some people saying that WZ10 is having problems in hot weather, well this is one of the reason what Chinese wanted to know from Pakistan & more reasons are, how WZ performed in war against terrorists & manoeuvring. Chinese are ready to fix the issues as they wanted to know issues with WZ10 & now they know. But seriously why MI28 is not considered for PA, as it is one of the best heavy weight attack helicopter.

 

[Tipu7]

Mi28 is RUSSIAN Gunship who is still closest allay of India compared to Pakistan.
Why don't you use common sense that what what can happen with Mi28.....?
Russian will provide us sub standard gunship with string attached ....... why you want it in first place? Our relations are just in initial stages and we have yet to receive deliveries of Mi35 .......
And Z10 is back up plan, as final solution.
When all other options will collapse, Z10 doors will open for Pakistan ......

Pakistan should not by any means rush into T129, as the heli uses US made engine & may be some other more components. US can easily block the supplies & then once again Pakistan will be in trouble. I don't know why WZ10 & specially MI28 is not considered for Pakistan army. There are some people saying that WZ10 is having problems in hot weather, well this is one of the reason what Chinese wanted to know from Pakistan & more reasons are, how WZ performed in war against terrorists & manoeuvring. Chinese are ready to fix the issues as they wanted to know issues with WZ10 & now they know. But seriously why MI28 is not considered for PA, as it is one of the best heavy weight attack helicopter.

 

[nadeemkhan110]

A delegation from Pakistan to Turkey will participate in the coming months it plans to UMTAS qualification tests for anti-tank missiles

, A delegation from Pakistan is going to attend Mizrak-U anti-tank missile qualification firings on T-129 Atak helicopters

It can be integrated to various platforms (Helicopters, UAVs, Land Vehicles, Stationary Platforms, Light Assault Aircraft, Naval Platforms

The UMTAS missile features fire and forget and "fire and update" infrared guidance with a tandem anti armor warhead. It is capable of engaging targets at 8 kilometers.

Capabilities:

• Lock-on before and after launch
• Can be used in day or night and in adverse weather conditions
• Tandem warhead, effective against reactive armors
• Insensitive munition characteristics against liquid fuel fire and bullet hits
• Communication of seeker image to the user and command by user using Data Link.

The laser guided version is marketed as the L-UMTAS

 

[Zarvan]

Mi28 is RUSSIAN Gunship who is still closest allay of India compared to Pakistan.
Why don't you use common sense that what what can happen with Mi28.....?
Russian will provide us sub standard gunship with string attached ....... why you want it in first place? Our relations are just in initial stages and we have yet to receive deliveries of Mi35 .......
And Z10 is back up plan, as final solution.
When all other options will collapse, Z10 doors will open for Pakistan ......

Well MI-28 and MI-35 are easy to get as compared to T-129.

 

[cabatli_53]

Compare the vibration and sound of 5 rotor blade Atak against 2 rotor blade AH-1W super Cobra

Atak over Istanbul and Erzurum

AH-1W

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Compare the vibration and sound of 5 rotor blade Atak against 2 rotor blade AH-1W super Cobra

Atak over Istanbul and Erzurum

AH-1W

Dear Cabatli, ATAK is a generation or two ahead in its class. With so much room for improvement. And Turks will take it to next level. Pak, should it go for this chopper, must esltablish local production and build it numbers. Airborne infantry.. this will bring the cost down. And based on this project, Pak-Turk cooperation can move on to other platforms.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Z-10 is a waste of time a joke sorry
and duplication of Zobra and T-129
Mi35 I can understand due to its unique utility and role

cobras must be abandoned due to the noise coming out of USA lately is very hostile

What I remember is that PAA was impressed by the Z-10 stealth features. Still a lot of improvement is required if PAA does go ahead. These improvement are to have a new engine and FEDEC and some other.

PAA would continue to use Zulu as a high tier platform where as Z-10's and ATAK as strike and rapid deployment platforms.

Mi-35 is for a specialized role hence only 1-2 sqd. would be added.

This leads to an interesting prospect... What if Pakistan is able to procure a western engine that can be used on ATAK, Z-10 and Z-9? The Italian might be interested...

 

[Arsalan]

What I remember is that PAA was impressed by the Z-10 stealth features. Still a lot of improvement is required if PAA does go ahead. These improvement are to have a new engine and FEDEC and some other.

PAA would continue to use Zulu as a high tier platform where as Z-10's and ATAK as strike and rapid deployment platforms.

Mi-35 is for a specialized role hence only 1-2 sqd. would be added.

This leads to an interesting prospect... What if Pakistan is able to procure a western engine that can be used on ATAK, Z-10 and Z-9? The Italian might be interested...

Well Z10 really don't have any stealth features
Perhaps you are talking about some heat suppression systems?

Also as i asked previous, what is that in AH1Z that makes it first tier and T129 and Z10 second tier? Can you please highlight those subsystems for all of us to understand this segregation you propose?
Plus can you suggest what makes you say there were any engine problems with the Z10s we were testing? AFAIK the issues we faced were not engine related but electronics and avionics related.

I will suggest you please answer all these points as i fear that you are posting stuff which is misguiding the people here. Please do clarify so i am sure i was wrong. I hope you understand that we cannot allow some one going to different threads posting false and pointless claims citing them as facts. This will do the forum no good. Your cooperation with this inquiry will be appreciated.

 

[TrMhMt]

Good news.

 

[muhammadali233]

Well Z10 really don't have any stealth features
Perhaps you are talking about some heat suppression systems?

Also as i asked previous, what is that in AH1Z that makes it first tier and T129 and Z10 second tier? Can you please highlight those subsystems for all of us to understand this segregation you propose?
Plus can you suggest what makes you say there were any engine problems with the Z10s we were testing? AFAIK the issues we faced were not engine related but electronics and avionics related.

I will suggest you please answer all these points as i fear that you are posting stuff which is misguiding the people here. Please do clarify so i am sure i was wrong. I hope you understand that we cannot allow some one going to different threads posting false and pointless claims citing them as facts. This will do the forum no good. Your cooperation with this inquiry will be appreciated.

I have seen z-10 flying two times and have spent 10 years seeing and being with helicopters.Z-10 is the quietest of the bunch.Don't know about RCS.
It must have been incorporating some tech given to us by US, during ubl raid.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Well Z10 really don't have any stealth features
Perhaps you are talking about some heat suppression systems?

Also as i asked previous, what is that in AH1Z that makes it first tier and T129 and Z10 second tier? Can you please highlight those subsystems for all of us to understand this segregation you propose?
Plus can you suggest what makes you say there were any engine problems with the Z10s we were testing? AFAIK the issues we faced were not engine related but electronics and avionics related.

I will suggest you please answer all these points as i fear that you are posting stuff which is misguiding the people here. Please do clarify so i am sure i was wrong. I hope you understand that we cannot allow some one going to different threads posting false and pointless claims citing them as facts. This will do the forum no good. Your cooperation with this inquiry will be appreciated.

Yep, Probably referring to the reports of using RAM and Anti IR paint.

Deep down I am inclined towards Z-10 because I've seen it fly just a few meters above my head. I was in my room when I heard it and I knew those propellers don't belong to any chopper in service with the military. Believe me it is just as sexy as it looks in those pictures. No, I take that back. It is more awesome than that .. It is bloody huge.

The Turks should arrange a flypast over my terrace.

 

[ptldM3]

Compare the vibration and sound of 5 rotor blade Atak against 2 rotor blade AH-1W super Cobra

Atak over Istanbul and Erzurum

AH-1W

That's not how things work. I firstly can hardly tell the difference but what's more important is variables such as engine power, pitch and cabin noise.

The more power you apply through the collective and the more you push forward on the cyclic the faster the helicopter will travel and the louder it will get. This is due to pitch of the propellers and airflow.

Then there is the issue of cabin noise and even the quality of camera speakers.

But certain propellers are simply quieter then others.