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mjting01 said:
https://ahvalnews.com/united-states...byists-break-congresss-de-facto-arms-embargo#
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I don't know how much lobbysts could do about the de-facto US arms embargo when BOTH parties have turned hostile against Turkey for importing S-400 from Russia as it is stated in the article. (if it wasn't for Trump, the arms embargo would have been, not only official, but much harsher) Let's see if Turkey could either develop an indigenous engine & integrate it into ATAK (though I am not sure how they are going to do with prototpyes & testing) for mass-production by the next year or get a re-export license from the US congress by the next year. Either ways, we will see the result by the next year as Parkistan extended the deadline for another year.
 
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when turkish engine become available US would loose embargo . they wouldnt like to lose money ,we are talking about at least 80-100 engines for Pakistan in the next 30 years. let alone political dependency.
 
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can we change our motor with original-honeywel on the same heli,if yes it does not matter
 
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There are serious integration,test and certification works for using TS1500(EX TS1400) on ATAK. of course it requires serious time and money too. Turkish army will not buy more than 100 ATAK, probably the engines for the rest 40 chopper already ordered. Army will buy ATAK II with TS1500(i hope so).

so we are talking about 30pak heli+5 philipine heli for TS1500 integration, is it feasible for 35 helos? probably not. and of course costumer would like to see performance of new engine. we sell a heli that perform very good in Turkey, syria and iraq geograpy.
 
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Stemming the flow

As Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogancontinues to push forward in Libya and the Eastern Mediterranean, the Pentagon and the State Department have started to take action. Despite the ‘special relationship' between Erdogan and Donald Trump, two months before the U.S. election, military and security strategists are tightening restrictions on export licenses and the resale of US military equipment by Turkey. According to our sources, hardly any monitoring and intelligence equipment is getting through, at a time when Ankara needs state-of-the-art optronics, avionics, cameras and other equipment to ensure its forces can operate effectively in Syria and Libya, where a great deal of intelligence equipment is deployed.
Baykar Makina's Bayraktar TB-2 drones, and soon the more sophisticated Akinci, are vital aids to Turkish operations in both theatres. In a major blow to Turkey's military operations and its exports, the US recently blocked the supply of American-built engines for the T-129 ATAK attack helicopter manufactured by the para-public Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI). The engines are manufactured in the United States by a joint venture between Honeywell and Rolls-Royce. The Turkish armed forces need the helicopters both for their military operations in the Middle East and to honour their own export contracts. In 2018, Ankara received a $1.5 billion order from the Pakistani armed forces for 30 T-129. The contract will be cancelled by Islamabad if Turkey cannot deliver. The Philippines is also waiting for 24 helicopters and is threatening to order aircraft directly from the US if the situation is not resolved.TAI recently reactivated its lobbying contracts in Washington with veteran Robert Mangas and former Republican representative Charles Boustany, of the firms Greenberg Traurig and Capital Counsel. But, for the moment, the Pentagon and the State Department are digging their heels in, particularly since the US is increasingly engaged in measures and military contracts with Greece, which is looking to protect itself from its neighbour and long-standing rival's ambitions

The US's new stance is also in response to Turkey's treatment of Fatih Ozmen, the Turkish US-resident boss of Sierra Nevada Corp (SNC), which provides vital air surveillance (ISR) support to the US special forces, the CIA, the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) and other branches of the US intelligence community (IOL 675) as well as working for the Turkish security services
Ozmen's run-in with the Turkish authorities occurred at Istanbul airport, where he was arrested and held for several hours on his return from the US in July. The arrest came a few days after an SNC Beechcraft Kingair 350i crashed in eastern Turkey while taking part in a counter-insurrection operation.

The company's Turkish subsidiary Esen supplies the country with ISR-adapted aircraft. Esen also recently set up shop in Saudi Arabia despite regional tension


Thoughts? We really need to get that TS1400 going asap.
 
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mjting01 said:


Stemming the flow

As Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogancontinues to push forward in Libya and the Eastern Mediterranean, the Pentagon and the State Department have started to take action. Despite the ‘special relationship' between Erdogan and Donald Trump, two months before the U.S. election, military and security strategists are tightening restrictions on export licenses and the resale of US military equipment by Turkey. According to our sources, hardly any monitoring and intelligence equipment is getting through, at a time when Ankara needs state-of-the-art optronics, avionics, cameras and other equipment to ensure its forces can operate effectively in Syria and Libya, where a great deal of intelligence equipment is deployed.
Baykar Makina's Bayraktar TB-2 drones, and soon the more sophisticated Akinci, are vital aids to Turkish operations in both theatres. In a major blow to Turkey's military operations and its exports, the US recently blocked the supply of American-built engines for the T-129 ATAK attack helicopter manufactured by the para-public Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI). The engines are manufactured in the United States by a joint venture between Honeywell and Rolls-Royce. The Turkish armed forces need the helicopters both for their military operations in the Middle East and to honour their own export contracts. In 2018, Ankara received a $1.5 billion order from the Pakistani armed forces for 30 T-129. The contract will be cancelled by Islamabad if Turkey cannot deliver. The Philippines is also waiting for 24 helicopters and is threatening to order aircraft directly from the US if the situation is not resolved.TAI recently reactivated its lobbying contracts in Washington with veteran Robert Mangas and former Republican representative Charles Boustany, of the firms Greenberg Traurig and Capital Counsel. But, for the moment, the Pentagon and the State Department are digging their heels in, particularly since the US is increasingly engaged in measures and military contracts with Greece, which is looking to protect itself from its neighbour and long-standing rival's ambitions

The US's new stance is also in response to Turkey's treatment of Fatih Ozmen, the Turkish US-resident boss of Sierra Nevada Corp (SNC), which provides vital air surveillance (ISR) support to the US special forces, the CIA, the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) and other branches of the US intelligence community (IOL 675) as well as working for the Turkish security services
Ozmen's run-in with the Turkish authorities occurred at Istanbul airport, where he was arrested and held for several hours on his return from the US in July. The arrest came a few days after an SNC Beechcraft Kingair 350i crashed in eastern Turkey while taking part in a counter-insurrection operation.

The company's Turkish subsidiary Esen supplies the country with ISR-adapted aircraft. Esen also recently set up shop in Saudi Arabia despite regional tension


Thoughts? We really need to get that TS1400 going asap.
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Wow, what a allie.. Just joking, thats allready know and no surprise at all, just get rid of them and all their "supplies" and produce domestic stuff.
 
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BON PLAN said:
But when ?
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Hopefully before the deadline set by the Pakistani government. Turkey of deciding to bribe lobby American politicians to secure the export license of LHTEC engines shows their comfidence in developing their own indigenous engines on time to get them integrated into the T-129 platform and deliever attack helicopters to Pakistan.

The question is would Pakistan extend the deadline yet again if Turkey fails to secure an engine either ways?
 
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