Syria's Mercenaries: The Afghans Fighting Assad's War

[Saif al-Arab]

As you know fighting for revenge, hate is not from Islam. There is no Nusra. Remember the hadith of Ali (radi'Allah) when he was about to kill the mushrik in battle, the mushrik spat in his face and Ali (radi'Allah) did not kill him! Why? His intentions changed, before it was for Allah and then it became PERSONAL!

We have Pakistani Taliban, taking revenge on Pakistani Muslims because they lossed their loved from drones. They are khawarij and Syrians should not follow them.

I am not part of any conflict.

Not all Syrians who fight in Syria are motivated by religion. In fact I am willing to bet that most are not motivated by religion at all. Most are fighting to avenge their loved ones, to remove a tyrant, for dead friends, family, for a better future etc. Sometimes for their very existence because Al-Assad is carpet bombing their towns, villages and cities. Sometimes they are fighting at several fronts. Against both the Al-Assad regime and their allies and ISIS/Al-Nusra.

Yes, but we know that blood is spilt for various reasons all the time. War is no game. When you have first entered it's difficult to leave again. Especially in Syria given the length of the conflict and complexity.

In any case in my eyes Hazaras or other foreigners that are going to Syria to kill locals should be dealt with harshly. At least I would do that as a local and I am sure that most would agree with me.

Why are you arguing with secularist for?

What do you mean? Who is a secularist?

 

[Kabira]

Arabs during the Afghan-Soviet war fought alongside mostly Afghan and Pakistani Pashtuns.
I think 25.000 or so Arabs went to Afghanistan in total during the span of that decade. Some sources say much less.

Also out of interest how many Pakistani's were involved in wars that involved Arabs? What's your estimate? 1000 in total out of a population of almost 200 million today?

I don't consider mutual training exercises as "wars" as those are not for free and mutually beneficial.



Huh? Which Arabs in Pakistan? I think that they can be counted on a few hands at most. The vast, vast majority are locals and from what I recall reading the other groups are Afghans and Uzbeks. That's about it with the odd Chechen in between and some other nationalities.

The only wannabe Arabs that I know are the Iranian regime and their supporters.

Also I don't think that foreigners who fight against Al-Assad should be combated as long as they don't join ISIS or Al-Nusra as they are doing a brave and good deed. You might not understand it as you don't follow the Syrian conflict as closely as we do and because of political differences.

I don't consider the Arabs who went to Afghanistan and fought against the Soviets to be terrorists either. What a tiny percentage of them later evolved into is a totally different discussion.

Peshawar attack was done by 3 arabs, 2 afghans and 1 chechen.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Arabs during the Afghan-Soviet war fought alongside mostly Afghan and Pakistani Pashtuns.
I think 25.000 or so Arabs went to Afghanistan in total during the span of that decade. Some sources say much less.

Also out of interest how many Pakistani's were involved in wars that involved Arabs? What's your estimate? 1000 in total out of a population of almost 200 million today?

I don't consider mutual training exercises as "wars" as those are not for free and mutually beneficial.



Huh? Which Arabs in Pakistan? I think that they can be counted on a few hands at most. The vast, vast majority are locals and from what I recall reading the other groups are Afghans and Uzbeks. That's about it with the odd Chechen in between and some other nationalities.

The only wannabe Arabs that I know are the Iranian regime and their supporters.

Also I don't think that foreigners who fight against Al-Assad should be combated as long as they don't join ISIS or Al-Nusra as they are doing a brave and good deed. You might not understand it as you don't follow the Syrian conflict as closely as we do and because of political differences.

I don't consider the Arabs who went to Afghanistan and fought against the Soviets to be terrorists either. What a tiny percentage of them later evolved into is a totally different discussion.

The afghan war was not our own .. And those arabs came from all over .. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis (from all over country fought in Afghanistan).. As for Pakistani ... Your own country established Sqd 77A For PAF volunteers against the Israelis .. And many later came in to train your militaries.. Even know I just watched a video of a Pakistani retard blowin up a SAA heli and bunch of other assholez with AKs runnin around ..


And i hope all of this scum gets killed!

 

[Psychic]

Never heard of Pakistanis in Iran Iraq war.

Also doubt any pakistani went to fight in Syria .. Except for taliban scum.

Pakistanis went in Iran Iraq war voluntarily, a few of them. Fought for Iran.

No Pakistani has been proved fighting in Syria except for TTP haramis, you are correct.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Peshawar attack was done by 3 arabs, 2 afghans and 1 chechen.

Do you have proof of that? Also even if that was the case it changes nothing on the ground. Arabs can be counted on a few hands and most people involved in militancy are locals by far. The biggest foreign group are Uzbeks.

Lastly I don't care about any Arabs that go to fight in Pakistan. Not their business.

I am frankly not interested in a long discussion with another Arab-hater here. Take that discussion with an Arab that is interested. There are almost 450 million out there. Might found someone.

The afghan war was not our own .. And those arabs came from all over .. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis (from all over country fought in Afghanistan).. As for Pakistani ... Your own country established Sqd 77A For PAF volunteers against the Israelis .. And many later came in to train your militaries.. Even know I just watched a video of a Pakistani retard blowin up a SAA heli and bunch of other assholez with AKs runnin around ..


And i hope all of this scum gets killed!

I just said that Arab volunteers who got nothing in return went to Afghanistan and Pakistan and fought alongside civilian Afghans and Pakistani Pashtuns mainly. Last time I saw Pakistan was a major opponent of the Soviets and heavily involved in Afghanistan. So in an a sense that war was yours too. At least if you ask me.

I am just saying that it's wrong to think that nobody ever did anything for Pakistan or Pakistanis or that Pakistanis somehow did send all their sons and daughters to fight for some Arabs in the Arab world or somebody else.

I tend to believe that almost nothing is for free nowadays. Everything always comes with a price and far from everything is made public.

Sure, including the Hazaras in question in this thread.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Not all Syrians who fight in Syria are motivated by religion. In fact I am willing to bet that most are not motivated by religion at all. Most are fighting to avenge their loved ones, to remove a tyrant, for dead friends, family, for a better future etc. Sometimes for their very existence because Al-Assad is carpet bombing their towns, villages and cities. Sometimes they are fighting at several fronts. Against both the Al-Assad regime and their allies and ISIS/Al-Nusra.

Yes, but we know that blood is spilt for various reasons all the time. War is no game. When you have first entered it's difficult to leave again. Especially in Syria given the length of the conflict and complexity.

I can never appreciate the horrors the Syrians are going through. On Youtube (it's blocked here, sometimes can find a proxy server to view contents) I saw Syrian women being taken to a truck trailer where they were raped. I saw another footage made by Hizbulllah where a woman was being beaten with wires and was raped. They were laughing!!!!

I probably would do the same and kill every single one of them with RAGE! However, sitting here it would be wrong! I ask you, what is the point of fighting and ending up in hell?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I can never appreciate the horrors the Syrians are going through. On Youtube (it's blocked here, sometimes can find a proxy server to view contents) I saw Syrian women being taken to a truck trailer where they were raped. I saw another footage made by Hizbulllah where a woman was being beaten with wires and was raped. They were laughing!!!!

I probably would do the same and kill every single one of them with RAGE! However, sitting here it would be wrong! I ask you, what is the point of fighting and ending up in hell?

Brother, all I am saying is that I understand if local Syrians want to deal with Hazara mercenaries that are killing their people.

Dealt with on the battlefield means you know what. Dealt with after capture or surrender can mean a lot of things. Prisoners of wars, sentencing under sharia law or a military court etc.

I am not part of any conflict. My view in regards to Syria is clear. Al-Assad must be removed and all the groups that support him. Same with ISIS and Al-Nusra. Whatever the Syrians do after doing that is their business. I will support the Syrian people regardless of the regime ruling them.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Al-Assad must be removed and all the groups that support him.

I agree with you, he must go. He killed over 250,000 and some put the figure higher. His father was a butcher; like father like son!

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Much has been said about ''Ummah'' and promoting nationalist or ethnic lines. Whether you say your Pakistani or Sword of Arab, the problem is the same; divisions!

It is worth noting what Allah and his Messenger (As'salathu-was'salaam) have said on the matter of Ummah!

"And verily this Ummah of yours is a single ummah and I am your Lord and Cherisher: Therefore Fear Me (and no other)." (Suratal Mu'minoon)

and this hadith...

“The believers in their affection, compassion and love for one another is like one single body. If a part of it suffers from pain, the whole body will suffer in pain.” (hadith narrated by Imam Muslim)

 

[Samandri]

Brother, all I am saying is that I understand if local Syrians want to deal with Hazara mercenaries that are killing their people.

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You are over-reacting due to Arab nationalistic orientation, these Afghans or Hazaras are not players ,just disposable fighters for Assad regime and Iranis. For some reason i am sensing that their ethnic origin is infuriating you more than their role. In my opinion these hazaras are kind of forced or blackmailed to fight in Syria by Iran. Not exactly innocent but neither are they the evil ones in Syrian war. Hazaras in their entire history have never committed such level of barbarity as by your own Arabs whether they are ISIS or Assad regime.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I totally agree........ hence the need to exterminate the Arab population in hinterlands of Pakistan and all wannabe Arabs (Ummah chest thumpers) who wish to kill the locals (settled people of varying sects - real inhabitants of this land called Pakistan for generations)...

See, we believe in the same thing, no imported sect or religion is good for the health of local population. You may kill the 400 or so captured Pakistani's, whereas, our job of killing approximately 4 million or so brainwashed people will be a tad tough. No problem, it can be done, slowly and gradually.

Eventually we would need to focus on nations who brainwashed our people in the first place!

@Irfan Baloch : Your views........ 400 for the price of 4 million.... not a bad deal, yay or nay?

I have seen the video of this Dutch fck face on a UK news channel where he was interviewed on channel 4 and a Pakistani driver who went from UK to help the FSA both when questioned about beheadings of the prisoners and staged execution of shias justified with hesitation as their religious duty. even the Pakistani who had gone there for "humanitarian" aid was unapologetic about such killings saying that these people shouldnt be there to face FSA and thats their fate when they are captured

the Dutch special forces should send their special contingent in Syria and that guy should be hunted down and then slowly killed starting from his toes for dishonouring the name of their country and bringing their elite force in disrepute. I call him fck face because thats what he is and really strains the relationships of the Muslim men who have joined civilian and military forces of the west to serve their country.

and yes any foreign terrorist specially from Pakistan found in the Middle east should be executed immediately because he will bring back the new techniques of horrors he has mastered on the Syrian and Iraqi population. TTP is already showing off their new weapons in their videos . I hope the forces that Iraqi and Syrian forces that are fighting these terrorists dont stop at 400 but kill over 4000. the estimated number of Pakistani takfiri terrorists gone in middle east runs in thousands.
killing every single pest there will mean hundreds of lives saved not only in middle east but in Pakistan too.

 

[Samandri]

Pakistanis went in Iran Iraq war voluntarily, a few of them. Fought for Iran.

No Pakistani has been proved fighting in Syria except for TTP haramis, you are correct.

That was Assad regime propaganda, the black shalwar kammeez wearing fighters of ISIS in the videos are not Taliban but Arabs of ISIS......One can tell from the style that their Shalwar Kameez were not tailored in Afghanistan and Pakistan, they made their own attempts. Also i have seen some weird version of Pakol on the heads of ISIS Arab fighters. It seems it is some kind of Jihadi fashion for them.

From Af-Pak, some Arab fighters left for Syria as evident from statements of Taliban.

 

[Pakistani E]

When will the rest of the "Ummah" (Non arabs and Non persians) realize that this war is more about ethnic hatred of each other and less to do with religion. Arabs hate persians, and persians hate arabs. Why are these poor hazaras, Pakistanis etc running off to join these racist people? I just don't understand, they only use you as cannon fodder. They both look down upon you and do not accept you as equals, why are you so quick to jump in the fire for them?

That said, if any Pakistani joins any side in that conflict I hope he is disposed off and not allowed to return. Even the British "Pakistanis" have disgraced us all by getting engaged in that conflict. Disgraceful. Idiots should all die there and never return.

 

[Ajai Ghale]

Not all,but some ethnic Afghans

No wonder they are soldiers of fortunes for centuries,you show them Money they start fighting between themselves like Rooster fight

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You are over-reacting due to Arab nationalistic orientation, these Afghans or Hazaras are not players ,just disposable fighters for Assad regime and Iranis. For some reason i am sensing that their ethnic origin is infuriating you more than their role. In my opinion these hazaras are kind of forced or blackmailed to fight in Syria by Iran. Not exactly innocent but neither are they the evil ones in Syrian war. Hazaras in their entire history have never committed such level of barbarity as by your own Arabs whether they are ISIS or Assad regime.

Of course as they are foreigners. That's how you Pakistanis (everybody else too) react to foreigners as well causing problems in Pakistan (read Afghans, Uzbeks etc.).

Are you sure about that? They are descendants of Mongols. The most savage people in history in terms of pillaging and killing. They live in Afghanistan which is worse than any other Arab country in terms of conflict in "peacetime".

Also Europeans killed 50 million of each other just between WW1 and WW2. Arabs engaged in civil war (not only as Kurds, Armenians, Turkmens and other ethnicities are involved too) where less than 400.000 people have died post-Arab spring since 2011 is nothing really considering that 4-5 countries are in conflict.

Also ISIS is made up of dozens of nationalities and ethnicity's and half are non-Arab. Nationality for them does not matter. They are no Taliban.