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you and your ungrateful lot should stfu and move your asses to KRG and live on that oil money if you cant stand Turkey. pkk and bdp are playing populist games on the back of Turkish Kurds and Kurdish refugees, nothing more. I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of those Kurdish refugees will want to stay in Turkey from now on, so know your place. If Turkish govt wanted, they could have closed the borders for obvious Kurdish refugees from Syrian side. The devil inside sometimes says to deny Kurds and let the IS massacre those Kurds, just so that you pkk sympathizers will feel what it is like to see your people get butchered by terrorists, just like how your pkk did against innocent Turkish citizens, be it Turks or Kurds, but it seems pkk/pyd/krg are bitten nicely in the *** by IS already, so i wont lower myself and wish the same for innocent citizens. It seems indeed like a nice timing to end the peace process, but the govt is being too kind and soft on you pkk scum. sandwiching pkk between Turkish army and IS would just have been great.This is Turks and what they do and always have done, attacking civilians, u know nothing else.
The one leading your country is a dog erDOGan. so stfu. The peace process is about to end, you are heavily suporting IS since the start of the war against the Kurds so stfu. The peace process has ended according to the PKK leader after once again the true face of disgusting turkey shows up but Ocalan got the final word.
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Crying about Turkey supporting ISIS now that ISIS attacks you when Barzani ( biggest friend of 'erDOGan' ) was doing the same thing hosting Ali Hatem Suleiman and the fake Mufti supporting ISIS ?
Don't rage on your keyboard, either join BKK or quit crying.
yes yes, Barzani made a deal with IS to not attack each other. Barzani did not/do not want the sunni influence to get decreased in favor of ruling shias.
that cunt showed no kind of respect and compared those heroes to those IS savages while it's in fact turks themselves who are the real terrorists.
And ISIS took a giant shit on that deal, that's right, so quit crying about Sultan Erdogan.
Enough bs I$I$ grew with the support of the west and their puppets, even the US government itself admits it...Bashar and Iran made a huge mistake that has cost them so much cash and efforts. They miscalculated the situation, they thought that turning Syria into terrorists magnet would convince the world and most importantly the west that Syrian revolution is nothing but a revolution of Islamic extremists vs secularism. So Bashar is the best alternative to terrorists, the better of two evils. Fortunately, this has terribly failed. Now, coalition forces' strategy is based on surgical strikes against ISIL and significant boosting FSA training and armament. Iran even scarified it's Iraqi ally Nori Al-Maliki to make this plan work, nevertheless, it failed miserably in both Syria and Iraq. Nice plan "Resistance pact" your stupidity is our best asset.
Bashar and Iran made a huge mistake that has cost them so much cash and efforts. They miscalculated the situation, they thought that turning Syria into terrorists magnet would convince the world and most importantly the west that Syrian revolution is nothing but a revolution of Islamic extremists vs secularism. So Bashar is the best alternative to terrorists, the better of two evils. Fortunately, this has terribly failed. Now, coalition forces' strategy is based on surgical strikes against ISIL and significant boosting FSA training and armament. Iran even scarified it's Iraqi ally Nori Al-Maliki to make this plan work, nevertheless, it failed miserably in both Syria and Iraq. Nice plan "Resistance pact" your stupidity is our best asset.
Bashar and Iran made a huge mistake that has cost them so much cash and efforts. They miscalculated the situation, they thought that turning Syria into terrorists magnet would convince the world and most importantly the west that Syrian revolution is nothing but a revolution of Islamic extremists vs secularism. So Bashar is the best alternative to terrorists, the better of two evils. Fortunately, this has terribly failed. Now, coalition forces' strategy is based on surgical strikes against ISIL and significant boosting FSA training and armament. Iran even scarified it's Iraqi ally Nori Al-Maliki to make this plan work, nevertheless, it failed miserably in both Syria and Iraq. Nice plan "Resistance pact" your stupidity is our best asset.
We have never supported those people, we have been very keen and very picky in arming and training the right people. Bashar released those people from prisons and turned a blind eye on them for too long until it was so obvious that there was some kind of agreement between them. Otherwise how can you explain ISIL and Bashar abstinence from attacking each other for three years? And why had they both been only fighting the common enemy which happened to be FSA groups?ISIL is basically made up of the very same frustrated rebels you support, and conspiracy theories is not going to help you here.
Iraq is now different, under Maliki rule it was totally under pro-Iran-Shiite control but now the Sunnis are part and parcel of this rule and they can't be ignored like before. So there is some kind of balance in Iraqi new policy in our favor.Also Iran didn't 'sacrifice' Maliki, because Iraq already is Iran's ally, just read what Iraqi president and PM have to say about Iran right now. The ones who have failed miserably are the very same ones who secretly fund IS and then join the coalition to tell the world that: Look! We are already fighting same monsters we sent to Iraq and Syria.
This is neither positive nor negative talk, this is the reality.Talking 'positive' doesn't always lead to positive things happening. You can repeat the sentences all you want, doesn't make anything better.
There is absolutely no tangible proof to this, the coalition countries have been supporting moderates and warning from extremists.As Iran foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said this coalition is "Coalition of Repenters", those who made and supported this terrorist group are now afraid that the boomerang effects and consequences of their stupidity could work and go into revers and turn to a threat to their masters.
Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country
A speech by an ex-MI6 boss hints at a plan going back over a decade. In some areas, being Shia is akin to being a Jew in Nazi Germany
How far is Saudi Arabia complicit in the Isis takeover of much of northern Iraq, and is it stoking an escalating Sunni-Shia conflict across the Islamic world? Some time before 9/11, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, once the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington and head of Saudi intelligence until a few months ago, had a revealing and ominous conversation with the head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove. Prince Bandar told him: "The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally 'God help the Shia'. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them."
The fatal moment predicted by Prince Bandar may now have come for many Shia, with Saudi Arabia playing an important role in bringing it about by supporting the anti-Shia jihad in Iraq and Syria. Since the capture of Mosul by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) on 10 June, Shia women and children have been killed in villages south of Kirkuk, and Shia air force cadets machine-gunned and buried in mass graves near Tikrit.
In Mosul, Shia shrines and mosques have been blown up, and in the nearby Shia Turkoman city of Tal Afar 4,000 houses have been taken over by Isis fighters as "spoils of war". Simply to be identified as Shia or a related sect, such as the Alawites, in Sunni rebel-held parts of Iraq and Syria today, has become as dangerous as being a Jew was in Nazi-controlled parts of Europe in 1940.
There is no doubt about the accuracy of the quote by Prince Bandar, secretary-general of the Saudi National Security Council from 2005 and head of General Intelligence between 2012 and 2014, the crucial two years when al-Qa'ida-type jihadis took over the Sunni-armed opposition in Iraq and Syria. Speaking at the Royal United Services Institute last week, Dearlove, who headed MI6 from 1999 to 2004, emphasised the significance of Prince Bandar's words, saying that they constituted "a chilling comment that I remember very well indeed".
He does not doubt that substantial and sustained funding from private donors in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, to which the authorities may have turned a blind eye, has played a central role in the Isis surge into Sunni areas of Iraq. He said: "Such things simply do not happen spontaneously." This sounds realistic since the tribal and communal leadership in Sunni majority provinces is much beholden to Saudi and Gulf paymasters, and would be unlikely to cooperate with Isis without their consent.
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Prince Bandar bin Sultan Dearlove's explosive revelation about the prediction of a day of reckoning for the Shia by Prince Bandar, and the former head of MI6's view that Saudi Arabia is involved in the Isis-led Sunni rebellion, has attracted surprisingly little attention. Coverage of Dearlove's speech focused instead on his main theme that the threat from Isis to the West is being exaggerated because, unlike Bin Laden's al-Qa'ida, it is absorbed in a new conflict that "is essentially Muslim on Muslim". Unfortunately, Christians in areas captured by Isis are finding this is not true, as their churches are desecrated and they are forced to flee. A difference between al-Qa'ida and Isis is that the latter is much better organised; if it does attack Western targets the results are likely to be devastating.
The forecast by Prince Bandar, who was at the heart of Saudi security policy for more than three decades, that the 100 million Shia in the Middle East face disaster at the hands of the Sunni majority, will convince many Shia that they are the victims of a Saudi-led campaign to crush them. "The Shia in general are getting very frightened after what happened in northern Iraq," said an Iraqi commentator, who did not want his name published. Shia see the threat as not only military but stemming from the expanded influence over mainstream Sunni Islam of Wahhabism, the puritanical and intolerant version of Islam espoused by Saudi Arabia that condemns Shia and other Islamic sects as non-Muslim apostates and polytheists.
Dearlove says that he has no inside knowledge obtained since he retired as head of MI6 10 years ago to become Master of Pembroke College in Cambridge. But, drawing on past experience, he sees Saudi strategic thinking as being shaped by two deep-seated beliefs or attitudes. First, they are convinced that there "can be no legitimate or admissible challenge to the Islamic purity of their Wahhabi credentials as guardians of Islam's holiest shrines". But, perhaps more significantly given the deepening Sunni-Shia confrontation, the Saudi belief that they possess a monopoly of Islamic truth leads them to be "deeply attracted towards any militancy which can effectively challenge Shia-dom".
Western governments traditionally play down the connection between Saudi Arabia and its Wahhabist faith, on the one hand, and jihadism, whether of the variety espoused by Osama bin Laden and al-Qa'ida or by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's Isis. There is nothing conspiratorial or secret about these links: 15 out of 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, as was Bin Laden and most of the private donors who funded the operation.
The difference between al-Qa'ida and Isis can be overstated: when Bin Laden was killed by United States forces in 2011, al-Baghdadi released a statement eulogising him, and Isis pledged to launch 100 attacks in revenge for his death.
But there has always been a second theme to Saudi policy towards al-Qa'ida type jihadis, contradicting Prince Bandar's approach and seeing jihadis as a mortal threat to the Kingdom. Dearlove illustrates this attitude by relating how, soon after 9/11, he visited the Saudi capital Riyadh with Tony Blair.
He remembers the then head of Saudi General Intelligence "literally shouting at me across his office: '9/11 is a mere pinprick on the West. In the medium term, it is nothing more than a series of personal tragedies. What these terrorists want is to destroy the House of Saud and remake the Middle East.'" In the event, Saudi Arabia adopted both policies, encouraging the jihadis as a useful tool of Saudi anti-Shia influence abroad but suppressing them at home as a threat to the status quo. It is this dual policy that has fallen apart over the last year.
Saudi sympathy for anti-Shia "militancy" is identified in leaked US official documents. The then US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote in December 2009 in a cable released by Wikileaks that "Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qa'ida, the Taliban, LeT [Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan] and other terrorist groups." She said that, in so far as Saudi Arabia did act against al-Qa'ida, it was as a domestic threat and not because of its activities abroad. This policy may now be changing with the dismissal of Prince Bandar as head of intelligence this year. But the change is very recent, still ambivalent and may be too late: it was only last week that a Saudi prince said he would no longer fund a satellite television station notorious for its anti-Shia bias based in Egypt.
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The Sunni Ahmed al-Rifai shrine near Tal Afar is bulldozed
The problem for the Saudis is that their attempts since Bandar lost his job to create an anti-Maliki and anti-Assad Sunni constituency which is simultaneously against al-Qa'ida and its clones have failed.
By seeking to weaken Maliki and Assad in the interest of a more moderate Sunni faction, Saudi Arabia and its allies are in practice playing into the hands of Isis which is swiftly gaining full control of the Sunni opposition in Syria and Iraq. In Mosul, as happened previously in its Syrian capital Raqqa, potential critics and opponents are disarmed, forced to swear allegiance to the new caliphate and killed if they resist.
The West may have to pay a price for its alliance with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies, which have always found Sunni jihadism more attractive than democracy. A striking example of double standards by the western powers was the Saudi-backed suppression of peaceful democratic protests by the Shia majority in Bahrain in March 2011. Some 1,500 Saudi troops were sent across the causeway to the island kingdom as the demonstrations were ended with great brutality and Shia mosques and shrines were destroyed.
An alibi used by the US and Britain is that the Sunni al-Khalifa royal family in Bahrain is pursuing dialogue and reform. But this excuse looked thin last week as Bahrain expelled a top US diplomat, the assistant secretary of state for human rights Tom Malinowksi, for meeting leaders of the main Shia opposition party al-Wifaq. Mr Malinowski tweeted that the Bahrain government's action was "not about me but about undermining dialogue".
Iraqi leader al-Maliki Western powers and their regional allies have largely escaped criticism for their role in reigniting the war in Iraq. Publicly and privately, they have blamed the Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for persecuting and marginalising the Sunni minority, so provoking them into supporting the Isis-led revolt. There is much truth in this, but it is by no means the whole story. Maliki did enough to enrage the Sunni, partly because he wanted to frighten Shia voters into supporting him in the 30 April election by claiming to be the Shia community's protector against Sunni counter-revolution.
But for all his gargantuan mistakes, Maliki's failings are not the reason why the Iraqi state is disintegrating. What destabilised Iraq from 2011 on was the revolt of the Sunni in Syria and the takeover of that revolt by jihadis, who were often sponsored by donors in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and United Arab Emirates. Again and again Iraqi politicians warned that by not seeking to close down the civil war in Syria, Western leaders were making it inevitable that the conflict in Iraq would restart. "I guess they just didn't believe us and were fixated on getting rid of [President Bashar al-] Assad," said an Iraqi leader in Baghdad last week.
Of course, US and British politicians and diplomats would argue that they were in no position to bring an end to the Syrian conflict. But this is misleading. By insisting that peace negotiations must be about the departure of Assad from power, something that was never going to happen since Assad held most of the cities in the country and his troops were advancing, the US and Britain made sure the war would continue.
The chief beneficiary is Isis which over the last two weeks has been mopping up the last opposition to its rule in eastern Syria. The Kurds in the north and the official al-Qa'ida representative, Jabhat al-Nusra, are faltering under the impact of Isis forces high in morale and using tanks and artillery captured from the Iraqi army. It is also, without the rest of the world taking notice, taking over many of the Syrian oil wells that it did not already control.
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The Shia Al-Qubba Husseiniya mosque in Mosul explodes
Saudi Arabia has created a Frankenstein's monster over which it is rapidly losing control. The same is true of its allies such as Turkey which has been a vital back-base for Isis and Jabhat al-Nusra by keeping the 510-mile-long Turkish-Syrian border open. As Kurdish-held border crossings fall to Isis, Turkey will find it has a new neighbour of extraordinary violence, and one deeply ungrateful for past favours from the Turkish intelligence service.
As for Saudi Arabia, it may come to regret its support for the Sunni revolts in Syria and Iraq as jihadi social media begins to speak of the House of Saud as its next target. It is the unnamed head of Saudi General Intelligence quoted by Dearlove after 9/11 who is turning out to have analysed the potential threat to Saudi Arabia correctly and not Prince Bandar, which may explain why the latter was sacked earlier this year.
Nor is this the only point on which Prince Bandar was dangerously mistaken. The rise of Isis is bad news for the Shia of Iraq but it is worse news for the Sunni whose leadership has been ceded to a pathologically bloodthirsty and intolerant movement, a sort of Islamic Khmer Rouge, which has no aim but war without end.
The Sunni caliphate rules a large, impoverished and isolated area from which people are fleeing. Several million Sunni in and around Baghdad are vulnerable to attack and 255 Sunni prisoners have already been massacred. In the long term, Isis cannot win, but its mix of fanaticism and good organisation makes it difficult to dislodge.
"God help the Shia," said Prince Bandar, but, partly thanks to him, the shattered Sunni communities of Iraq and Syria may need divine help even more than the Shia.