Syrian Civil War (Graphic Photos/Vid Not Allowed)

[Saif al-Arab]

@Saif al-Arab

I think you get my point right? It's almost disgusting how much they shoulder everything on Arab organization. Considering that they pride the Iranian army as being army of Mahdi which will reach Jerusalem.

In reality these are not a warrior peoples. And their reliance on Hezbollah is going to make Hezbollah collapse. Hezbollah is stupid if it doesn't realize that Iranians are afraid of any direct confrontation and will use Hezbollah as a tool as much as they can even if it becomes unrealistic.

Just ignore Ajami barking. Ignorants and people with serious obsessions and inferiority complexes. Speaking about topics that they have no clue about while they can't even count to 10 in Arabic.

Just save your time and report the troll (s).

At the end of the day their opinions matter nothing and it's the locals (Arab people) that will decide their future. The only other relevant player is the US.

Just deal with them as you deal with trolls and show their place.

 

[IR-TR]

@Saif al-Arab

I think you get my point right? It's almost disgusting how much they shoulder everything on Arab organization. Considering that they pride the Iranian army as being army of Mahdi which will reach Jerusalem.

In reality these are not a warrior peoples. And their reliance on Hezbollah is going to make Hezbollah collapse. Hezbollah is stupid if it doesn't realize that Iranians are afraid of any direct confrontation and will use Hezbollah as a tool as much as they can even if it becomes unrealistic.

Heck, we all know it's not going to be the Palestinians who reach Jerusalem

But dear don't you think Arabs are fighting each other and hate each other way too much to be called united?
I mean how will you compare an Allawite Syrian Arab and a salafi Syrian Arab?
Or an egyptian Brotherhood supporter Arab and a seular arab. Or Iraqi shia arab and Iraqi sunni arab?
They are all fighting with each other and hate each other dont they?
You know one of my Kuwaiti friend hated syrians so much it was like wufffff i said hay calm down they are arabs too he replied they are enemies i know nothing else.
Do Turks hate each other like that? or Persians or Malays Africans hell even here in this Pakistan we are not even a single ethnic group do people hate each other with such intensity that arabs are doing right now?
Or if you consider Saudi Arabs and GCC Arabs as the only legitimate arabs then i cannot say

Why are you bothering? There was never ever any Arab unity. Never will be either. At best some nationalism in some countries, and even that looks far off right now. Some people will never learn, and will always be the b!tch of other powers. Arabs had 200 years in the sun, and have been the b!tch of other people before that and every since.

 

[Falcon29]

Hezbollah IS Iran. Hezbollah is the ONLY CAPABLE Arab fighting force. That's what every analyst knows and says. And guess who trained them?? Your Palestinian rock-throwers? No. It was IRAN who trained, fed and equipped them for over 3 decades now. I do look up to them, as I see them as brave warriors of GOD, when it's surrounded by bloodthirsty warriors of SATAN, including Sunni extremists. And they only number 1.5 million people.

@Saif al-Arab

You see what I mean. To make himself feel better and exonerate Iranians of their cowardice he states that Hezbollah is Iran. So there, Iranian people are not cowards.

Hezbollah is not Iran, Hezbollah is an Arab organization. Even if it is Shia and allied with Iran, the point is Iranians are not the warrior peoples they make themselves out to be. So stating that Hezbollah is 'Iran' is another lame excuse to your cowardice. Your people are entirely secular and 90% do dating/bf/gf. This is why none of your men want to fight in Syria or Iraq. And your people make these non-Iranian Shia die for your national interests. And yet you come and boast about Iran's capacity and reach.

Nope, Palestinians train ourselves, feed our selves and equip ourselves. We aren't Hezbollah who gets weapons shipments from Latakia/Russia/iran through Lebanese/Syrian border. We build our weapons buddy ad purchase them from black market. And unlike the Iran that barks for past 40 years, we are not coward and use them in self defense when we are attacked. Of course you want to also take credit for Hamas's military performance against Israel. Sorry bud, it has nothing to do with you. I like the inferiority complex though. You give yourselves way too much credit.

 

[IR-TR]

No, this is getting ridiculous. Why do Iranians start a war they can't finish? All Iranians look up to Hezbollah as a heroic group, because Hezbollah is saving Iran's a$$ in Syria. Hezbollah has better training than Iranian forces and is less cowardly(because they're Arab). Iranians know this very well, this is why they exaggerate Hezbollah's capacity in Syria and even if they deploy full mobilization and are still losing, Iranians will still be telling themselves Hezbollah will build more brigades. It's pathetic that you're this cowardly and shoulder all the responsibility on Hezbollah. Iran can deploy troops in Syria, the reason it's not doing so is because Iranians are secular people who fear death. Yet somehow pride themselves as being the 'heart of the resistance'.

I can't believe that Hezbollah hasn't rejected Iranian demands, or that nobody in the party is questioning their dedication to the conflict. Because of Iranian cowardice, it is leading Hezbollah to collapse. Iranians are some sissiest people on earth, as sissy as Israeli's and Americans. But I'd rank Americans least cowardly because at least they contribute troops and push hard during ground offesives without carpet bombing cities like Israel does.

Your people are so coward it's not explainable in words. I'm struggling to explain the point I'm trying to get across. But all one has to do is read IMF. All iranians there discussing recent setbacks are saying don't worry Hezbollah will take care of it. Seriously? Why them? And when Hezbollah collapses because of your cowardice then what? Afgahni Shia's ?

How did Iran start this war? Please explain. Thank you.

@Saif al-Arab

You see what I mean. To make himself feel better and exonerate Iranians of their cowardice he states that Hezbollah is Iran. So there, Iranian people are not cowards.

Hezbollah is not Iran, Hezbollah is an Arab organization. Even if it is Shia and allied with Iran, the point is Iranians are not the warrior peoples they make themselves out to be. So stating that Hezbollah is 'Iran' is another lame excuse to your cowardice. Your people are entirely secular and 90% do dating/bf/gf. This is why none of your men want to fight in Syria or Iraq. And your people make these non-Iranian Shia die for your national interests. And yet you come and boast about Iran's capacity and reach.

Nope, Palestinians train ourselves, feed our selves and equip ourselves. We aren't Hezbollah who gets weapons shipments from Latakia/Russia/iran through Lebanese/Syrian border. We build our weapons buddy ad purchase them from black market. And unlike the Iran that barks for past 40 years, we are not coward and use them in self defense when we are attacked. Of course you want to also take credit for Hamas's military performance against Israel. Sorry bud, it has nothing to do with you. I like the inferiority complex though. You give yourselves way too much credit.

Guy, I'm done with this convo. I didn't mean Hezbe Allah is Iran, I mean Iran made it what it is. And indeed, a big ingredient is Shia Arab fighting spirit, combined with good training, and the fact that they fight for their very survival. They also help Palestinians, so be grateful.

 

[KingWest]

I was referring to Pakistan as an example only.
How can shia Iraqis loose interest in Part of sunni iraq and vice versa.
That is exactly whay i am saying these people are so fucked up they are destroying their countries for god knows why.
If sect was a problem Pakistan would have gone down long ago

Because the inhabitants of these regions never had a bound with the countries they where living in. The nations (created by the British) have never succeeded in doing descent nation building. The can only be ruled by dictators, or otherwhise the countries will fall apart. Since the inhabitants dont identify themselves with the countries they live in.

 

[IR-TR]

@Saif al-Arab

You see what I mean. To make himself feel better and exonerate Iranians of their cowardice he states that Hezbollah is Iran. So there, Iranian people are not cowards.

Hezbollah is not Iran, Hezbollah is an Arab organization. Even if it is Shia and allied with Iran, the point is Iranians are not the warrior peoples they make themselves out to be. So stating that Hezbollah is 'Iran' is another lame excuse to your cowardice. Your people are entirely secular and 90% do dating/bf/gf. This is why none of your men want to fight in Syria or Iraq. And your people make these non-Iranian Shia die for your national interests. And yet you come and boast about Iran's capacity and reach.

Nope, Palestinians train ourselves, feed our selves and equip ourselves. We aren't Hezbollah who gets weapons shipments from Latakia/Russia/iran through Lebanese/Syrian border. We build our weapons buddy ad purchase them from black market. And unlike the Iran that barks for past 40 years, we are not coward and use them in self defense when we are attacked. Of course you want to also take credit for Hamas's military performance against Israel. Sorry bud, it has nothing to do with you. I like the inferiority complex though. You give yourselves way too much credit.

Now you'ré just lying. Hamas didn't get money and support from Iran? Go on the internet buddy, you'll see how Iran helped. But it seems those days are almost over now. What with the nuclear deal, and the fact that Palestinians are against Syria in big numbers. F them and the cage they live in.

 

[Zhukov]

Because the inhabitants of these regions never had a bound with the countries they where living in. The nations (created by the British) have never succeeded in doing descent nation building. The can only be ruled by dictators, or otherwhise the countries will fall apart. Since the inhabitants dont identify themselves with the countries they live in.

ummmm and what can you say about India and Pakistan they were also supposedly created out of British empire dont they?

 

[SabreF86]

I just want to make some things clear.
I researched about the whole war since it began.
who are getting killed and why?
Syrians are getting killed for sure and why that explains when you go back to 1948 a Stable Peaceful United Syria resulted in A defeat for Israeli Zionists in lebanon.
Hezbollah got her weapons from syria when all other Arab countries were doing nothing not even politically supporting them.(fat Cats)

To get lebanon you need to take out Syria first. that explains the bigger war.
now the internal War.
First of all this is happening due to the foolish conflicts b/w Saudi Arabia and Iran because of them countries like Syria and Yemen are under siege.

People who say this is a Civil war Nope not at all this is a total War b/w East and West.

The Syrian Politics now.
One and only solution to Syria now is both sides end this war as we know in syria no side is innocent.
Terrorists must Drop their weapons and Assad must go and wait for next turn if this dont happens it is an endless war no sides winning but only damage to innocents and environment.
West will keep arming Rebels and Russia will keep on at Syrian Side.

But we must understand the Rebels are not Freedom fighters when they get weapons and supplies from Israel and West its clear they want to destroy Syria.
And destroying Syria means dooming 2 countries at once lebanon and Syria.
It will be a piece of cake for Israel and remember next target will be Jordan Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

 

[U8200]

@Saif al-Arab

Hezbollah is not Iran, Hezbollah is an Arab organization. Even if it is Shia and allied with Iran, the point is Iranians are not the warrior peoples they make themselves out to be.

I like to laugh at Iranis as much as the next man, but the fact that the terrorist group is made up of Arabs, does not alter the fact it's an Iranian funded and trained group.

When you pour literally billions of dollars into a militia and spend 30 years trying to perfect it, even the Iranians can get that right.

Still we see the increasing impotence of Hezbollah where they have become the army and the Syrian rebels have become the guerrillas.

Nope, Palestinians train ourselves, feed our selves and equip ourselves.

You may arm yourself, but Israel feeds you and make no mistake about that. Israel provides you with far more than your Arab brothers do.

Recently 100 Gazan farmers were in Tel-Aviv to learn expert farming techniques and to broker better conditions such as faster exports.

Israel is also helping you with water issues and a plethora of other joint enterprises involving business development, food, conservation and energy.

 

[Falcon29]

Guy, I'm done with this convo. I didn't mean Hezbe Allah is Iran, I mean Iran made it what it is. And indeed, a big ingredient is Shia Arab fighting spirit, combined with good training, and the fact that they fight for their very survival. They also help Palestinians, so be grateful.

You exaggerate their fighting ability. No they don't 'help' Palestinians. They can barely manage to help their selves in Syria. And they cut ties with Hamas a while back, same with Iran. We don't need their 'help, we have more experience in war with Israel than they do. All we need is access to resources. Our people have higher IQ and highest literacy rate in region. Stop citing 2006 all the time. Israel of today is not Israel of 2006. They had no missile defense systems, no trophy systems, their air force took much more time to identify targets and attack. Not to mention Hezbollah had major geographical advantage compared to Gaza and has bigger country to fight from that isn't surrounded by Israel. Gaza, is besieged and surrounded by Israeli Navy, armed forces and Israeli Air Force is extremely close. Also is a flat plain, which is very hard to fight from. Most importantly it is very small strip of land only 4-6 miles wide and 25 miles long. So it is easier to collect intelligence. Last point they have no resources, unlike in Lebanon or open borders. So please don't try to give your foolish narrative which simply isn't true, I grew up there and been there plenty of times and I know the facts on ground. It's impossible to arm Gaza through any route these days, Gaza manufactures its own weapons by purchasing raw material from Egyptian black market, and ammunition/rifles come from there too. So point is, you're exaggerating Iran's role in Gaza. But also it doesn't make sense to keep citing 2006, it has no relation to conflict in Syria.

You may arm yourself, but Israel feeds you and make no mistake about that. Israel provides you with far more than your Arab brothers do.

Recently 100 Gazan farmers were in Tel-Aviv to learn expert farming techniques and to broker better conditions such as faster exports.

Israel is also helping you with water issues and a plethora of other joint enterprises involving business development, food, conservation and energy

Israel ain't 'helping' nothing. It is drawing fine line between its responsibility as an occupier towards the strip and trying to leverage responsibility on international community. Israel is responsible for Gaza, as long as it occupies it. And prevents exports/imports. So yeah, obviously if Gaza can't import that things can only go through Israel. Which usually the PA/Arab nations pay for, it's just the route is through Israel. Almost all water is contaminated in Gaza, Israel is preventing an international project to fix this issue. Same with electricity, it bombed most stations. Prevents needed amount of fuel for reaching Gaza. There is no 'business devolpment' when you can't import or export. So much for business development:

Gaza industrial sector hit hard as 134 factories destroyed
Gaza counts cost of war as more than 360 factories destroyed or damaged | World news | The Guardian
How Israel’s war on Gaza blitzed 17,000 jobs, leaving unemployment rates around 50 oer cent | The National
......

Btw, preventing imports is not security issue as we see here:

Israel and Netherlands in row over security scanner at Gaza border - Diplomacy and Defense - - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
.......................

I have no problem with trading with Israel if Israel abandons its agenda of colonizing the West Bank and opposing Palestinian state. Actually I used to drink a lot of Israeli carton milk in Gaza. There is no problem in that. We always advise Israeli's that two state solution or one state is the way forward but we are waiting for them to recognize it's time for it. We used to work together in the past and travel freely until Israeli right wing extremists assaisinated Rabin and Israel ever since then went so far right and everythign changed.

 

[500]

Hezbollah IS Iran. Hezbollah is the ONLY CAPABLE Arab fighting force.

Were from u get that nonsense? Hezbollah supported by tanks and air force was beaten by unlettered Bedouins with rusty AK in Dar'a:

 

[U8200]

Israel ain't 'helping' nothing. It is drawing fine line between its responsibility as an occupier towards the strip and trying to leverage responsibility on international community. Israel is responsible for Gaza, as long as it occupies it. And prevents exports/imports. So yeah, obviously if Gaza can't import that things can only go through Israel. Which usually the PA/Arab nations pay for, it's just the route is through Israel. Almost all water is contaminated in Gaza, Israel is preventing an international project to fix this issue. Same with electricity, it bombed most stations. Prevents needed amount of fuel for reaching Gaza. There is no 'business devolpment' when you can't import or export. So much for business development:

Gaza industrial sector hit hard as 134 factories destroyed
Gaza counts cost of war as more than 360 factories destroyed or damaged | World news | The Guardian
How Israel’s war on Gaza blitzed 17,000 jobs, leaving unemployment rates around 50 oer cent | The National
......

Btw, preventing imports is not security issue as we see here:

Israel and Netherlands in row over security scanner at Gaza border - Diplomacy and Defense - - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
.......................

I have no problem with trading with Israel if Israel abandons its agenda of colonizing the West Bank and opposing Palestinian state. Actually I used to drink a lot of Israeli carton milk in Gaza. There is no problem in that. We always advise Israeli's that two state solution or one state is the way forward but we are waiting for them to recognize it's time for it. We used to work together in the past and travel freely until Israeli right wing extremists assaisinated Rabin and Israel ever since then went so far right and everythign changed.

Voicing their desire for more flexibility at IDF checkpoints, increased farming equipment imports and opportunities to export crops, some 200 Gazan farmers came to Tel Aviv on Thursday to engage in a face-to-face dialogue with a senior defense official.

“We can overcome this problem,” Esaam Dawwas, quality control manager for the Beit Lahiya Cooperative Association, told The Jerusalem Post, following the discussion. “We need the Israeli government to deal with facilities for farmers, open the checkpoints and send us all the machines for agriculture and fertilizer for the farmers. We can solve this problem.”

Dawwas and his colleagues came to participate in the third and final day of the annual Agritech International Agricultural Exhibition and Conference at the Tel Aviv Fairgrounds. They took part in a conversation in Arabic with Col. Grisha Yakubovich, head of the civil department at the Office of the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories. Among the key issues to arise were the need to boost agricultural trade allowances, and to increase the availability of supplies crucial to farming.

“What happened here today is actually the fruit of cooperation between us and the Palestinian Authority,” Yakubovich told the Post after the dialogue. “This is not something regular that you see people from Gaza being brought out here in buses. That’s why it was so important for me to talk to them... and listen to the voice from the field.”

Agree that if a solution can be found, then good.

The problem is that impossible things are demanded such as 'return' of refugees which is obviously impossible. Also we always hear from palestinians that for example 67 borders is only the 'start' of the process. i.e the first step to eliminating Israel rather than it being the end of the conflict.

Anyway, don't want to hijack this thread with Isra/Pal.

 

[Falcon29]

Agree that if a solution can be found, then good.

The problem is that impossible things are demanded such as 'return' of refugees which is obviously impossible. Also we always hear from palestinians that for example 67 borders is only the 'start' of the process. i.e the first step to eliminating Israel rather than it being the end of the conflict.

Anyway, don't want to hijack this thread with Isra/Pal.

Well we need to talk about what we have in common instead of what we have against each other. Not too long ago, we lived, worked together and are closest people to each other in the region even if we may consider each other enemies. But anyways, we will talk about this later when topic comes up again and let this thead get back to where it was.

 

[IR-TR]

Were from u get that nonsense? Hezbollah supported by tanks and air force was beaten by unlettered Bedouins with rusty AK in Dar'a:

Rusty TOW missiles. Okay. Israel's entire military was beaten back by Hezbollah.

You exaggerate their fighting ability. No they don't 'help' Palestinians. They can barely manage to help their selves in Syria. And they cut ties with Hamas a while back, same with Iran. We don't need their 'help, we have more experience in war with Israel than they do. All we need is access to resources. Our people have higher IQ and highest literacy rate in region. Stop citing 2006 all the time. Israel of today is not Israel of 2006. They had no missile defense systems, no trophy systems, their air force took much more time to identify targets and attack. Not to mention Hezbollah had major geographical advantage compared to Gaza and has bigger country to fight from that isn't surrounded by Israel. Gaza, is besieged and surrounded by Israeli Navy, armed forces and Israeli Air Force is extremely close. Also is a flat plain, which is very hard to fight from. Most importantly it is very small strip of land only 4-6 miles wide and 25 miles long. So it is easier to collect intelligence. Last point they have no resources, unlike in Lebanon or open borders. So please don't try to give your foolish narrative which simply isn't true, I grew up there and been there plenty of times and I know the facts on ground. It's impossible to arm Gaza through any route these days, Gaza manufactures its own weapons by purchasing raw material from Egyptian black market, and ammunition/rifles come from there too. So point is, you're exaggerating Iran's role in Gaza. But also it doesn't make sense to keep citing 2006, it has no relation to conflict in Syria.



Israel ain't 'helping' nothing. It is drawing fine line between its responsibility as an occupier towards the strip and trying to leverage responsibility on international community. Israel is responsible for Gaza, as long as it occupies it. And prevents exports/imports. So yeah, obviously if Gaza can't import that things can only go through Israel. Which usually the PA/Arab nations pay for, it's just the route is through Israel. Almost all water is contaminated in Gaza, Israel is preventing an international project to fix this issue. Same with electricity, it bombed most stations. Prevents needed amount of fuel for reaching Gaza. There is no 'business devolpment' when you can't import or export. So much for business development:

Gaza industrial sector hit hard as 134 factories destroyed
Gaza counts cost of war as more than 360 factories destroyed or damaged | World news | The Guardian
How Israel’s war on Gaza blitzed 17,000 jobs, leaving unemployment rates around 50 oer cent | The National
......

Btw, preventing imports is not security issue as we see here:

Israel and Netherlands in row over security scanner at Gaza border - Diplomacy and Defense - - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
.......................

I have no problem with trading with Israel if Israel abandons its agenda of colonizing the West Bank and opposing Palestinian state. Actually I used to drink a lot of Israeli carton milk in Gaza. There is no problem in that. We always advise Israeli's that two state solution or one state is the way forward but we are waiting for them to recognize it's time for it. We used to work together in the past and travel freely until Israeli right wing extremists assaisinated Rabin and Israel ever since then went so far right and everythign changed.

Hey, I'm all in favor of a people who have been stolen, oppressed and pounded for 70 years to get their own country, and to get outside help. But your sectarianism makes that help difficult to give. You know damn well Isael wants all Palestinians out of Gaza and WB, and that they are trying to weaken the only group of people actually helping them with arms and political help at the UN. Guess what happens to you if that 'resistance axis' gets weakened?
When Hamas fires bottle rockets at Israel, and they strike back with thousands of 1000lbs bombs, what is their real intention?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@U8200 @Falcon29

Hopefully sane minds will prevail. Sure Arabs and Jews have had a hostile relationship in the modern era but before that we were really close people whether in the Arab world or in Al-Andalus and elsewhere. Most of the older generation of Arabs from Morocco to Yemen recall the Jewish Arab communities fondly and vice versa. Sure there were instances here and there but nothing compared to what occurred elsewhere in the world and especially Europe.

I really hope for the sake of the Palestinian people (especially) and Israeli that peace will be reached and that would be a huge step in the right direction for the region too.

I said it many times. Israel is already 21% Palestinian Arab, Jews originating from the Arab world number more than 50% of Israel's Jewish population, Arabic is an official language, Arabs and Jews can live in peace together as proven in Israel etc. despite many challenges.

We as Arabs have much more in common with Jews as a people (fellow Semites), we are neighbors, Judaism is the closest religion to Islam etc. than the regular Farsi. The only thing that binds us together with Farsis is religion.

Besides Israel is much more ahead of Iran on all fronts so should a peace be reached Israel would be a better partner. Not saying that we need to be best friends or even hold hands but relations can definitely improve and mutual (beneficial) cooperation.