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Syrian Civil War (Graphic Photos/Vid Not Allowed)

Trucks bringing provision for 300,000 civilians in E. Aleppo.


Turkey should make arrangements to ship aids with appropriate escorts to Aleppo from Jarablus. They can use Jarablus as the hub for aiding the rebels and their supporters.
 
Look like Turkey want to continue her previous policies...
Turkish army is exposed in Syrian land where anything can happen they would be fools if they came without any kind of understanding with Syria even if it is not official
 
Turkish army is exposed in Syrian land where anything can happen they would be fools if they came without any kind of understanding with Syria even if it is not official

I was reading an article from semi official news agency in Iran .... look like Turkey become a tool in USA plane ... back then Turks didn't accept to enter Syria , but USA used Kurds to force them to enter Syria ...
now Turkey officially enter in this war and thanks to their emotional personlity , they dont want someone call them loser , so they won't withdraw easily ....

most interesting things is that even us ( Iran ) officially didn't anything about entering Syria war ... we are just saying that we send some advisers ...
 
It sort of weird. SDF destroying Turkish tanks using US training & US weapons. So, NATO has just supported a group to attack another NATO member.

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Good news. After rebels left Daraya, now rebels will leave Muadamiah to go to Idlib.

I wonder if there is some sort of behind the scene agreement in place to come to a truce soon where Idlib is unofficially given to FSA and everyone takes a breather for a while.
 
It sort of weird. SDF destroying Turkish tanks using US training & US weapons. So, NATO has just supported a group to attack another NATO member.

Turkey is just a tool for NATO , if they didn't feared that Turkey side with Russia , they would never let them enter in NATO in first place ....
 
@hellfire @MilSpec @Joe Shearer @Serpentine @Oscar @Irfan Baloch

It appears that the US has effectively abandoned the SDF, the most potent fighting force against ISIS. This appears to be a huge foreign policy and a strategic disaster in my opinion.

Just look at this, Disgusting.


Turkish backed FSA Rebels torturing and humiliating captured SDF combatants. The Kurds are not going to forgive or forget this insult. The most effective ally against ISIS has been alienated, forget about taking Raqqa anytime soon.
 
@hellfire @MilSpec @Joe Shearer @Serpentine @Oscar @Irfan Baloch

It appears that the US has effectively abandoned the SDF, the most potent fighting force against ISIS. This appears to be a huge foreign policy and a strategic disaster in my opinion.

Just look at this, Disgusting.


Turkish backed FSA Rebels torturing and humiliating captured SDF combatants. The Kurds are not going to forgive or forget this insult. The most effective ally against ISIS has been alienated, forget about taking Raqqa anytime soon.

@notorious_eagle

Sir, I forced myself to watch the video clipping calmly and unemotionally - more or less unemotionally. It was disgusting; it was also saddening to see the inhuman treatment being handed out. This reinforces my fear that Turkey is diverging more and more from the path of Ataturk, the very reason why Jinnah was an unabashed admirer (and rightly so) of the Turkish path.

In parenthesis, personally, I wish India had taken Ataturk's line; we would have been a much happier country then, because the forces of religion about which Jinnah warned Gandhi, in the most dire of warnings, would have been under some greater control than now. When emotional Pakistanis insult Modi, or individual members of the present cabinet, I cannot help observing that one set of religiously-moved hotheads is insulting another set of religiously-moved hotheads. Bad days are on us.

To return to the point raised by you, a consideration of US policy since World War II brings us to some sobering conclusions.

In their blind opposition to Soviet Russia and to Communism, even to Socialism, throughout the world, the US policy-making establishment - their own 'deep state', to borrow a word from our very own south Asian quarreling - has behaved like schoolchildren fulfilling grudge fights. At close quarters, their actions seem reasonable. On going back a few steps, to see how they have shifted and turned, and fed forces that now threaten them like spectres come to life, and released animosities from their dormancy and fanned those to full flame is a very unsettling sight. If this juvenile delinquency had been exhibited by a human individual, he (or she) would face corrective restriction; exhibited by a group or gang, it would have faced serious police action, and imprisonment for some, roughing up for a few more and a significant amount of unwelcome attention and unwelcome distinction for later life and working situations for the bulk.

Their influence in this particular case has been particularly baneful. Thousands of deaths are to their account; their sanctimonious condemnation of the excesses of the Assad regime sound hollow when it is considered how easily their influence could have been exerted well short of violence.

One also feels very sorry for the Kurds. They deserve better, in an abstract, non-political way of saying it. This is not a support of their splitting either Turkey or Iran or Iraq, or any combination.
 

Turkish backed FSA Rebels torturing and humiliating captured SDF combatants. The Kurds are not going to forgive or forget this insult. The most effective ally against ISIS has been alienated, forget about taking Raqqa anytime soon.

Kurds have never been the most effective ally/force vs IS. In Iraq most they've managed to do is retake Sinjar (which they abandoned allowing IS to take Yazidis), that took them over a year with heavy CAS whilst the population levels are low. Aside from that most they've been doing is digging trenches and posing with camera's in those trenches.

In Syria the SDF which is just a cover for YPG has been taking territory only after the US air force flattens everything in front of them, they even have SF units embedded with them, some possibly acting as JTAC. Prior to CJTF-OIR intervention for the YPG IS was on track to take Ayn Al Arab/Kobani. YPG was losing on all fronts it shared with IS.

The ISF hasn't received such intense CAS as the Kurds yet has taken a lot more territory and dealt more death to IS. If the FSA/NSA (latter is still too insignificant) receive the same amount of serious air support and weaponry they'll be able to do the same thing the YPG does.
 
@hellfire @MilSpec @Joe Shearer @Serpentine @Oscar @Irfan Baloch

It appears that the US has effectively abandoned the SDF, the most potent fighting force against ISIS. This appears to be a huge foreign policy and a strategic disaster in my opinion.

Just look at this, Disgusting.


Turkish backed FSA Rebels torturing and humiliating captured SDF combatants. The Kurds are not going to forgive or forget this insult. The most effective ally against ISIS has been alienated, forget about taking Raqqa anytime soon.
1) Even without Manbij Kurds still hold huge chunks of territory including Arab majority lands like Tal Abiad and so on. All that thanks to USA.
2) With B-1B backing even my grandma would be effective vs. ISIS.
3) After ethnic cleansing of Tal Rifaat and parading 40 bodies of FSA fighters in Afrin, Kurds have little reason to complain about some kicks.
 
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@hellfire @MilSpec @Joe Shearer @Serpentine @Oscar @Irfan Baloch

It appears that the US has effectively abandoned the SDF, the most potent fighting force against ISIS. This appears to be a huge foreign policy and a strategic disaster in my opinion.

Just look at this, Disgusting.


Turkish backed FSA Rebels torturing and humiliating captured SDF combatants. The Kurds are not going to forgive or forget this insult. The most effective ally against ISIS has been alienated, forget about taking Raqqa anytime soon.



Nothing new here, Isis and the FSA is the same thing. They regularly cooperate, many FSA have gone on to joint ISIS.
 
@hellfire @MilSpec @Joe Shearer @Serpentine @Oscar @Irfan Baloch

It appears that the US has effectively abandoned the SDF, the most potent fighting force against ISIS. This appears to be a huge foreign policy and a strategic disaster in my opinion.

Just look at this, Disgusting.


Turkish backed FSA Rebels torturing and humiliating captured SDF combatants. The Kurds are not going to forgive or forget this insult. The most effective ally against ISIS has been alienated, forget about taking Raqqa anytime soon.

Kurds mistake was they rely on foreign western power only without having local or regional allies. In all the countries they are, they rarely work well with local government. Only two weeks ago, they started fighting the loyalists side.
 
Assad/Khamenai/Putin terrorists started massive bombing of Hama rebel enclaves. Videos are too graphic to show, many injured kids. Seems they want to repeat Daraya style ethnic cleansing there.
 

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