Syrian Civil War (Graphic Photos/Vid Not Allowed)

[BLACKEAGLE]

While you keep posting garbage numbers (where the real number is 13), between 80 to 96 (repeat it, 96) of your dearly beloved brothers were sent to hell in this massive attack (by their own accounts). Do you get the numbers right? 13 compared to 96, in a 'surprise attack' with a massive suicide vehicle (which is the icon of Syrian terrorists).

I watched the video showing their rotten corpses.

 

[Serpentine]

I watched the video showing their rotten corpses.

Post the link here. Just the link, not the video itself as it is against the rules.

 

[500]

Your link says it's a part Syrian-Palestinian group, either way doesn't make difference to me, I'm not a child like you.

It does not says part.

Alawites and Druze can't supply enough manpower, majority are secular Sunni's. I've met Syrian Sunni's who are very pro-Assad, it's not about religious affiliation like you make it.

There are nearly 3 million Alawites and Druze in Syria. That gives some 750,000 males aged 18-50.

Assad army with various militias currently is less than 150,000. That measn even Alawiyes and Druze are not eager to fight for Assad. There are Sunnis who are drafted by force and stay there because their relatives will be arrested/killed, but they are very poor soldiers naturally.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Most of the SAA and NDF fighters are Sunni Arabs. The Alawites and Shiites can't defend the government-held areas on their own.

Unfortunately, the war has become increasingly sectarian in nature over the years. Nonetheless, the pro-government fighters are still, for the most part, Sunni Arabs. It's the Syrian opposition that has largely been responsible for fueling sectarianism, although one has to be fair and admit that all sides have been guilty of contributing to the ethnic and sectarian fragmentation of Syrian society.

With regard to foreign fighters, all sides are guilty of recruiting foreigners -- that's for sure. There are thousands of Uighur jihadists fighting alongside the Syrian rebels in the provinces of Idlib, Latakia and Aleppo. What are these Uighurs doing in Syria in the first place? This isn't supposed to be their fight.

Likewise, I don't like the fact that many Hazaras are fighting alongside the pro-government forces.

In my opinion, there are many groups of people / nationalities that shouldn't be fighting in Syria at all, such as the Uighurs, Chechens, Hazaras, Gulf Arabs, Afghans, Tunisians, etc.

I can understand if some Sunni and Shiite fighters from adjacent countries (e.g. Iraq) have decided to participate in the Syrian war, but I see no reason why people from the other side of the world (e.g. Uighurs and Hazaras) should be fighting in Syria in the first place.

Syria is a mess for sure.

 

[Aramagedon]

Yes, except the fact that these 83 people don't exist in real world. Genius indeed.

I didn't say anything about 83 go read my comment again.

http://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1395/02/18/1068267/اطلاعیه-سپاه-مازندران-به-مناسبت-شهادت-جمعی-از-مدافعان-حرم-مازندرانی-در-حلب

It seems only 4 Iranians are martyred in khan tuman.

EDIT: 4 martyred, 2 captured and some other injured.

 

[T-Rex]

Most of the SAA and NDF fighters are Sunni Arabs. The Alawites and Shiites can't defend the government-held areas on their own.

Unfortunately, the war has become increasingly sectarian in nature over the years. Nonetheless, the pro-government fighters are still, for the most part, Sunni Arabs. It's the Syrian opposition that has largely been responsible for fueling sectarianism, although one has to be fair and admit that all sides have been guilty of contributing to the ethnic and sectarian fragmentation of Syrian society.

With regard to foreign fighters, all sides are guilty of recruiting foreigners -- that's for sure. There are thousands of Uighur jihadists fighting alongside the Syrian rebels in the provinces of Idlib, Latakia and Aleppo. What are these Uighurs doing in Syria in the first place? This isn't supposed to be their fight.

Likewise, I don't like the fact that many Hazaras are fighting alongside the pro-government forces.

In my opinion, there are many groups of people / nationalities that shouldn't be fighting in Syria at all, such as the Uighurs, Chechens, Hazaras, Gulf Arabs, Afghans, Tunisians, etc.

I can understand if some Sunni and Shiite fighters from adjacent countries (e.g. Iraq) have decided to participate in the Syrian war, but I see no reason why people from the other side of the world (e.g. Uighurs and Hazaras) should be fighting in Syria in the first place.

Syria is a mess for sure.

You understand why Shiite fighters from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are fighting in Syria, you understand why Russians are fighting in Syria but you don't understand why Sunnis from other countries are fighting. Must I poke my finger into your one-eyed vision to make you realise how biased you?

 

[Madali]

Educate urself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liwa_al-Quds


Some Alawites and Druze fight for Assad.

Like, maybe 6 or 7 guys.

You understand why Shiite fighters from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are fighting in Syria, you understand why Russians are fighting in Syria but you don't understand why Sunnis from other countries are fighting. Must I poke my finger into your one-eyed vision to make you realise how biased you?

I can explain if you are willing to keep an open mind.

Initially, there was no Iraqi, Afghani, or Pakistani on the Assad side. Back in say, 2011, or 2012, 2013. You can refer to dated news articles in Google or maybe even search early posts in this thread. How many pictures of Afghans can you find?

However, very early did we find foreigners involved against Assad. First of all, financial aid was given to rebels by countries such as Qatar (this is not secret, it was claimed proudly back in 2011) to overthrow the government. Fighters came from all around the world to join the fight against the government. Remember, a big clue are in the group's names. Fighters weren't coming in from Europe or Arab countries to set up a democratic government in Syria, they were encouraged by the idea of establishing a new Islamic, borderless caliphate. That was what was so appealing with ISIS for many young fighters. It wasn't about Syria, it was about Muslims. Therefore, it stopped being a war for Syria with them, it was a borderless war. That's why their name became Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, that is, it is not about Syria anymore.

Now, when did the other side get involved? when ISIS was growing momentum daily in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, etc. Why would the Iranians or the Afghans care about Assad? They don't actually care as much about Assad as they are concerned about the ALTERNATIVE. Afghans have already experienced terrorism in their country, Iraqis have already experienced it, Iranians have already experienced it. It is to no one's advantage to let terrorism grow until it reaches their land.

Try to read this poem by a German pastor in WW2. It is a very powerful poem, and please try to understand what I'm trying to say here.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[T-Rex]

Like, maybe 6 or 7 guys.



I can explain if you are willing to keep an open mind.

Initially, there was no Iraqi, Afghani, or Pakistani on the Assad side. Back in say, 2011, or 2012, 2013. You can refer to dated news articles in Google or maybe even search early posts in this thread. How many pictures of Afghans can you find?

However, very early did we find foreigners involved against Assad. First of all, financial aid was given to rebels by countries such as Qatar (this is not secret, it was claimed proudly back in 2011) to overthrow the government. Fighters came from all around the world to join the fight against the government. Remember, a big clue are in the group's names. Fighters weren't coming in from Europe or Arab countries to set up a democratic government in Syria, they were encouraged by the idea of establishing a new Islamic, borderless caliphate. That was what was so appealing with ISIS for many young fighters. It wasn't about Syria, it was about Muslims. Therefore, it stopped being a war for Syria with them, it was a borderless war. That's why their name became Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, that is, it is not about Syria anymore.

Now, when did the other side get involved? when ISIS was growing momentum daily in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, etc. Why would the Iranians or the Afghans care about Assad? They don't actually care as much about Assad as they are concerned about the ALTERNATIVE. Afghans have already experienced terrorism in their country, Iraqis have already experienced it, Iranians have already experienced it. It is to no one's advantage to let terrorism grow until it reaches their land.

Try to read this poem by a German pastor in WW2. It is a very powerful poem, and please try to understand what I'm trying to say here.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Daesh was not involved when the civil war started in Syria, assad literally paved the way for Daesh in Syria in order to divert the civil war into a different direction. Assad and his allies wanted to convince the international community that the war was all about setting up a terrorist state not about democracy or assad's brutal repression of the majority in Syria. So, when the assad regime used chemical weapons and the Russians almost wiped out the rebels it was the opportunity for the Daesh terrorists to intervene as the saviour.

 

[500]

Like, maybe 6 or 7 guys.

Out of 750,000 battle worthy Alawis and Druze, some 100,000 are in Assad's army. But most of them are either poor drafted villagers or Shabiha thugs who rob people at checkpoints.

For me most curious fact was that Assads elite Alawi dominated republican quards and 4th division performed very poorly in this war.

Most of the SAA and NDF fighters are Sunni Arabs. The Alawites and Shiites can't defend the government-held areas on their own.

Can u show me any Assad operation made by his Sunni unit? I can only recall couple disastrously failed offensives made by his Palestinian units.

 

[Madali]

Out of 750,000 battle worthy Alawis and Druze, some 100,000 are in Assad's army. But most of them are either poor drafted villagers or Shabiha thugs who rob people at checkpoints.

For me most curious fact was that Assads elite Alawi dominated republican quards and 4th division performed very poorly in this war.

So let me see if I understood this correctly. Are you categorically claiming that the only (Syrian) soldiers in the Syrian government are poor drafted villagers and Shahiba thug/thieves of Alawis and Druze origins?

 

[500]

So let me see if I understood this correctly. Are you categorically claiming that the only (Syrian) soldiers in the Syrian government are poor drafted villagers and Shahiba thug/thieves of Alawis and Druze origins?

I said most. Total SAA is about 150 K.

50 K - poor drafted Sunnis who had not money to pay bribes. Often used as cannon fodder by Assad.
10 K - poor drafted Christians. Ditto.
30 K - poor drafted Alawis and Druze. Ditto.
30 K - Shabiha who rob people at checkpoints.
30 K - Alawis and Druze who more or less can fight.

 

[Madali]

Daesh was not involved when the civil war started in Syria, assad literally paved the way for Daesh in Syria in order to divert the civil war into a different direction. Assad and his allies wanted to convince the international community that the war was all about setting up a terrorist state not about democracy or assad's brutal repression of the majority in Syria. So, when the assad regime used chemical weapons and the Russians almost wiped out the rebels it was the opportunity for the Daesh terrorists to intervene as the saviour.

Well, in the interest of trying to better understand the situation, why don't we try to see if we can find some information from old news articles? That's the great thing about the internet today, it gives us an easy ability to search through old articles to better understand the situation today.

I'm going to keep away from sources you might find biased, for example, I won't try to refer to PressTV, okay?

Here is an article from NY Times from mid 2012,
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/w...into-syrias-conflict.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Here is another article from November, 2011, about how the Islamic State in Libya met with the Free Syrian Army,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...st-met-Free-Syrian-Army-opposition-group.html

Here is an article about twin bombing in Dec,2011,
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-16313879
Like you, there is a complete denial of the possibility of any terrorism, and the opposition blames it on the government. It is this self-denial and the complete refusal to acknowledge such possibilities, that has had certain Muslims constantly unable to face the facts. Like in AA meetings, the first step is to acknowledge there is a problem.

There are other articles that point to such developments. Other more independent news sources have pointed out to some elements even before the war started. There was reports from WikiLeaks a while back that showed that USA was aware of such groups in Syria, and one of their plans were to be able to exploit them.

To understand this is not to claim that Assad is a beautiful angel. But it is to shed light on the complications of our geopolitical matters, and to understand that choices state actors take and place them into the correct context.

I said most. Total SAA is about 150 K.

50 K - poor drafted Sunnis who had not money to pay bribes. Often used as cannon fodder by Assad.
10 K - poor drafted Christians. Ditto.
30 K - poor drafted Alawis and Druze. Ditto.
30 K - Shabiha who rob people at checkpoints.
30 K - Alawis and Druze who more or less can fight.

So are you saying that one third (33% or 1 in every 3) are Sunnis?

 

[ultron]

10 K - poor drafted Christians. Ditto.

Correction. Christians are some of the best warriors.

 

[500]

So are you saying that one third (33% or 1 in every 3) are Sunnis?

Prior the war Assad had some 300 K regular army with 200 K Sunnis + 300 K reserves mostly Sunnis. After the war most of the Sunnis deserted and Assad remained with some 50 K.

Correction. Christians are some of the best warriors.

Not in Syria.

 

[jammersat]

Assad's army was useless anyway , if anyone's gonna launch an attack on israel from syria it's gonna be iran , not assad's antique army