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Syria war: Germany suspends upgrade to Turkey tanks
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Image captionDisplaced Syrians say Turkish-led forces have been shelling civilians in Afrin.
The German government has put plans on hold to upgrade German-made tanks used by Turkey amid a public outcry over a Turkish offensive in northern Syria.

Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel said the decision would be taken once a new coalition government had been formed.

Pictures have been circulating in the German media of Leopard tanks being used by Turkish forces in their campaign against Kurdish forces.

Turkish-led forces began their assault in Syria's north-west on Saturday.

Air strikes pummelled the Afrin enclave before ground forces moved in against the Kurdish YPG militia.

Forty-eight Turkish-backed rebels and 42 YPG fighters have been killed in the fighting since Saturday, says the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group.

Germany was set to approve the upgrade - what happened?
Yes, last week Berlin seemed ready to approve Turkey's request for German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall to make its 1990s-era Leopard 2 tanks less vulnerable to explosives.

But then pictures emerged suggesting the tanks were not only being used in campaigns against the Islamic State (IS) group but also in Turkey's "Operation Olive Branch" against the YPG.

Politicians not only from the German left but also Chancellor Angela Merkel's own CDU party have condemned the upgrade. Norbert Röttgen, the conservative chair of the parliamentary foreign policy committee, told the BBC the Turkish attack was a violation of international law.

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Image captionA senior Syrian official has vowed to respond to the Turkish incursion
There is deep unease about the Turkish incursion into Syrian territory - and the impact of its campaign on civilians.

The Observatory reports 28 civilians killed by Turkish air and artillery strikes on Afrin and another two by YPG fire inside Syria. Thousands of people have been displaced.

What's the back story here?
Conflicting alliances and interests among regional and global powers.

Turkey accuses the YPG of having links to the banned Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) group within its own borders.

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Image captionWhy is Turkey attacking Syria? Mark Lowen explains
The YPG denies any direct organisational links to the PKK - an assertion backed by the US, which has provided the militia and allied Arab fighters with weapons and air support to help them battle IS jihadists in Syria.

The US-Turkish tensions are illustrated by reports of a confrontational phone call between Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and US President Donald Trump on Wednesday.

While a White House statement says Mr Trump "urged Turkey to de-escalate" its Afrin operation , the Turkish foreign minister says Mr Erdogan demanded US troops withdraw from northern Syria's Manbij region, which is also controlled by Kurdish forces.

Mr Erdogan has reportedly said the Turkish operation will be extended to Manbij - potentially bringing the Nato allies into direct conflict.

The White House statement says President Trump "urged Turkey to exercise caution and to avoid any actions that might risk conflict between Turkish and American forces".

Meanwhile, the Anha news agency is quoting the Kurdish-led administration of Afrin as saying that the Turkish operation "threatens Syria and the security and life of the civilian population residing in the area".

"The aim of this aggression is to cut more Syrian land by occupying Afrin," the statement says, urging Syria to "protect its borders with Turkey from attacks by the Turkish occupier".

So far the Turkish-backed forces seem to have made slow progress.

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How has Turkey reacted to the news?
Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu told reporters the suspension did not amount to a complete block on defence co-operation between Turkey and Germany, one of the biggest arms exporters in the world.

"While we fight with terrorists, we expect support and solidarity from Germany," Mr Cavusoglu told reporters. "We expect them to not support terrorists, but I know they are also under pressure."

German media say the caretaker government was close to agreeing the modernisation deal with Turkey and was back-footed by the public outcry.

But the government now says it is unanimous that the decision should be taken when a new coalition government has been formed.

It is a setback for German-Turkish ties when a rapprochement had appeared to be on the horizon following a meeting between Mr Sigmar and Mr Cavusoglu earlier this month.

Relations hit rock bottom in the fallout of Turkey's crackdown in response to an attempted coup in July 2016. There has been particular anger over Ankara's detention of German-Turkish journalist Deniz Yucel in February 2017.

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So Germany want to sell Tanks that shouldnt be used against pkk, in which world are they living if i may ask?

We need the Altays asap, better with some different Engine than MTU, hopefully this will accelerate the project.
 
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Why does Germany care for YPG/PKK?

Germany, like the majority of Western capitals, is reminded time and again how they are indebted by the WWII heroics of their American peers. This debt can never be repaid.

The European capitals have no sovereign policy. Their policy is dictated by their one and only liberator.

This is just another opportunity for Turkey to lean towards self-suffiency.
 
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Are they going to embargo the US and the UK because of their involvement in Syria as well?
 
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Just a storm in the tea cup. I have three brothers. We often have bigger and more intense "scraps" then this one. Turkey and Germany are connected at the hip bone. Expect some angst between energetic prodigal twins. It will all pass by.
 
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this is why god says be independent do not be dependent one enemy.
 
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I think Germans have not learned the lesson the more they deny Turkey from military tech the more self sufficient Turkish military industry becomes.
 
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We should just buy T-90s from Russia and,if need be, speed up the Altay by sourcing it from Ukrainian know how. Also we should, gradually as more reliable suppliers provide us with other tanks, return all Leopards and threaten to cancel the refugee deal if we don't get every single cent back. Sikerim belani dayi dememiz lazim bu noktada
 
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If that is the case, why ask Germany for an upgrade in the first place?
In fact its true, Turkish defence industry took its initials after the sactions for the Cyprus invasion, from that day things started to develop but it has been slow because of political turmoils.
Thankfully the last decade has been very fruitful for Turkish defense industry and hopefully stays so for the coming decades.

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A big young population makes sure that Turkey wont have shortage in engineers, the real issue is to give them the opportunity and stop the brain drain.
 
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