Syria War - China's strategic slip?

[Speeder 2]

OKE, we all know

1) Syria is a false flag attack.

2) Syria is the 1st step; the second will be Iran.

3) Syria is or very close to Russia's bottomline.

4) Syria is close to China's bottomline, Iran is.

Therefore, Russia and China are against the war. So Russia sent 5 warships there and China parked 071 class "Jinggangshan" at a Saudi port - very close to the Med.

So many Chinese may think " don't worry, Syria is not our fight... we still have Iran...Let the US waste its money and time in Syria... etc, etc"


WRONG!!!



What if above point (2) and point (4) are not precisely right, or just completely the opposite?


Namely, what if, as it may very well be likely so, that Syria & Iran are not 2 steps but 2-in-1 ONE step???

That is, US & Israel will take down Syria & Iran together, NOW, with Syria merely as an excuse.


I know i know this may sound bonkers since Iran is quite a differetn weight class from Syria. But if neither Russia nor China prepare fully on this onw at the moment as the 1st step, the US can take down Syria with ground troops and at least make Iran a total chao, just like what Hitler did in Poland.



This is becasue both Iran and Israel will be involoved at the 1st hour when the US launch tomahawks to Syria - this is a very likely simple scenario that the US war planners will not miss.

The facts supporting this are plenty:

a. Obama's proposal leaves a clausula of possiblely sending 75,000 ground troops, most of them are probably already in Jordan.

b. AIPAC and WhiteHouse are all out now to lobby and sway the Congress.

c. The neo-con war planners seem to be convinced that Russia AND China will back off in the end. (e.g. see youtube John Maccain - a dimwhit yet has security clearance, townhall interview with AMTV. And see insider story from the interview of Fransis Boyt by Alex Jones days ago. I know I know Alex Jones is a bit hypebole sometimes, yet Fransis is a credible WORLD CLASS source, Francis believes that neocons are convined that US can take out both Russia and China completely in a nuclear 1st strike. )

d. US probably has already known Russia and China's cards on Syria via NSA programmes, as disclosed by Snowdon.

e. Germany didn't sign up Obama at G-20 in the beginning, but it just changed its mind yesterday, so did the EU. Do the Germans know something that we don't?

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If this is the case, then above point (4) - "Syria is close to China's bottomline, Iran is"- is immediately false!



What chemical weapons?

What limited strikes?

What Syria?

What Iran?

All Bonkers!

This looks to me, a "Cuba Missile Crisis" in reverse! We're at the cutting edge of something VERY BIG here, people!


By not taking Syria as THE red line, defending it very casually (mostly orally in fact in UNSC) and preparing loosely ( at least it seems), are Chinese central govt strategic planners making a very dangerous blunder at this key moment?

 

[illusion8]

.Ler US waste it money and time in Syria... etc, etc

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Secretary of State John Kerry said during a hearing Wednesday in the House of Representatives that counties in the Arab world have offered to foot the entire bill for a U.S. military mission that destroys the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria.

'With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assist, the answer is profoundly yes,' Kerry said. 'They have. That offer is on the table.'

'Offer is on the table' for Arab countries to pay for full-scale U.S. invasion of Syria, says Secretary of State John Kerry | Mail Online

 

[cnleio]

Usually just watching ...

 

[Speeder 2]

^^ I know Saudis said that. But I beleive Kerry was only telling half the story, because Syria War that Saudi promises to pay is only a tiny fraction of the TOTAL, REAL WAR that the US have in mind - namely take IRAN down NOW,with punishing Syria as an excuse, whose excuse in turn is chemical weapons, checkmating both Russia and China in one go by taking over ME when they least expect it.

Apart from the US planning, Israel can make it happen as well at will at the first day when tomahawks fly, "naturally" leading US to Iran.

 

[illusion8]

^^ I know Saudis said that. But I beleive Kerry was only telling half the story, because Syria War that Saudi promises to pay is only a tiny fraction of the TOTAL, REAL WAR that the US have in mind - namely take IRAN down NOW,with punishing Syria as an excuse, whose excuse in turn is chemical weapons.

Apart from the US planning, Israel can make it happen as well at will at the first day when tomahawks fly, "naturally" leading US to Iran.

The senate will give Obama 6 months (short war) for a Syrian attack - the Arabs will be financing this attack - I presume Arabs would be doubly happy if the strike yields two birds with one stone.

 

[[Bregs]]

Despite China's rapid rise as world power it has not shown the type of authority in challenging US hegemony as its expected, only half hearted resistance orally or at UN

 

[Meengla]

This looks to me, a "Cuba Missile Crisis" in reverse! We're at the cutting edge of something VERY BIG here, people!
By not taking Syria as THE red line, defending it very casually (mostly orally in fact in UNSC) and preparing loosely ( at least it seems), are Chinese central govt strategic planners making a very dangerous blunder at this key moment?

You are correct that the potential of a regional, if not a world war, are the greatest now since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. Iran and Syria have been preparing for decades for the showdown.

I don't know the extent of Russia's interests in Syria but if Russian could not stop the bombing of Belgrade--their Slave brothers!--then I don't think Russia is going to get too deeply involved to protect Syria.

As far as China: It will be wise for the Chinese to stay away for this conflict. I don't see any real reason China should be too worried with Syria. Yes, China is going to try to prevent a war which can raise oil prices and which is essentially a war of aggression but there are no red lines for China in this conflict.

Of course if the war turns into a major regional war involving Iran then all things are possible...

 

[illusion8]

By not taking Syria as THE red line, defending it very casually (mostly orally in fact in UNSC) and preparing loosely ( at least it seems), are Chinese central govt strategic planners making a very dangerous blunder at this key moment?

China is doing the right thing by staying away - let's see what it's up against - the Whole Arab world, the Whole western world (I am yet to see any objection from any Western country against a possible Syrian strike), Israel - you'll become pariah's if you take it too far.

 

[Speeder 2]

China is doing the right thing by staying away - let's see what it's up against - the Whole Arab world, the Whole western world (I am yet to see any objection from any Western country against a possible Syrian strike), Israel - you'll become pariah's if you take it too far.

I believe China is making a wrong move strategically by not showing enough muscles, which helps enboldening neocon planners' decision, rightly or wrongly, sending a wrong signal that China will back off in the end.

 

[HongWu]

It's time to deliver the death blow to the Great Satan! China, Russia and Iran are all ready for action!

Syria already has loads of Chinese anti-ship missiles. They will devastate the USN.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It's time to deliver the death blow to the Great Satan! China, Russia and Iran are all ready for action!

Syria already has loads of Chinese anti-ship missiles. They will devastate the USN.

They need the DF-21D, since the regular anti-ship missiles aren't enough to reach the combat radius of the US supercarrier.

 

[illusion8]

I believe China is making a wrong move strategically by not showing enough muscles, which helps enboldening neocon planners' decision, rightly or wrongly, sending a wrong signal that China will back off in the end.

China will not come forward - so no question of backing off, you will stay away and probably give some media bites for all our entertainment. No one takes it seriously.

 

[Srinivas]

All Right then.

China wants to do some preemptive strikes on the Great Satan USA, Best of luck to China.

Make sure the Satan Dies otherwise you people will be no more and suffer for long time.

 

[tranquilium]

China doesn't want Syria to fall, because entire middle east under control of US--->bad for China.
China doesn't want US to be out of Syria too quickly, because that means US is heading towards East Asia instead---->bad for China.

China wants US to be boggled down in Syria.

 

[ChinaToday]

this is not our war stay out of it