Syria shot down Russian military reconnaissance plane, admits Kremlin

[CIS-TRANS]

Those 15 crewmates had never thought that they will die due to the fire of their own allies. I don't know why Russian have a so much love for Assad that they are giving their lives away for his crown. strange love

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Those 15 crewmates had never thought that they will die due to the fire of their own allies. I don't know why Russian have a so much love for Assad that they are giving their lives away for his crown. strange love

Considering Russia sacrificed millions of lives in WW2, 15 lives is nothing. Russian lives are cheap anyway. There is no democracy in Russia. Everyone is a slave of the state.

 

[Hindustani78]

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...-over-syria/article24976802.ece?homepage=true

MOSCOW, September 18, 2018 15:35 IST
Updated: September 18, 2018 18:53 IST

“We reserve the right to take commensurate measures in response,” says Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov.

Russia on Tuesday accused Israel of indirectly causing a Russian military plane to be shot down near Syria's Mediterranean coast, and threatened to retaliate against Israel for what it described as a hostile act.

Russia's Defence Ministry said the Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft, with 15 Russian service personnel on board, was brought down by anti-aircraft batteries of Moscow's ally, Syria, in a friendly fire incident.

But the ministry said it held Israel responsible because, at the time of the incident, Israeli fighter jets were mounting air attacks on Syria targets and had only given Moscow one minute's warning, putting the Russian aircraft in danger of being caught in the cross-fire.

“We view the actions of the Israeli military as hostile,” Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov told Russian state television. “As a result of the irresponsible actions of the Israeli military, 15 Russian service personnel perished.”

Israel's military declined to comment, as did the prime minister's office and the Foreign Ministry.

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu spoke to his Israeli counterpart, Avigdor Lieberman, and told him Moscow held Israel wholly responsible for the shooting down of the plane, Russian news agencies reported. The Israeli Defence Ministry confirmed the call but declined to give any further details.

Moscow said its plane disappeared from radar screens as it was coming in to land at the Hmeymim air base in western Syria late on Monday, just as Israeli jets and French naval vessels were mounting air strikes on targets in the same area of Syria.

France has denied launching any missile strikes.

According to the ministry, the Israeli F-16 jets carrying out the air strikes used the Russian plane as cover to allow them to approach their targets on the ground without being hit by Syrian anti-aircraft fire.

“Hiding behind the Russian aircraft, the Israeli pilots put it in the line of fire of Syrian anti-aircraft systems. As a result, the Il-20 ... was shot down by the (Syrian) S-200 missile system,” Mr. Konashenkov said.

He said the Israeli pilots “could not have failed to see the Russian aircraft, as it was coming in to land from a height of 5 km (three miles). Nevertheless, they deliberately carried out this provocation,” Mr. Konashenkov said.

The spokesman said: “This absolutely does not correspond to the spirit of Russian-Israeli partnership.”

“We reserve the right to take commensurate measures in response,” Mr. Konashenkov said, without giving details of what those measures would be.

Putin expresses condolences to victims' families
The Kremlin was extremely concerned over the incident and President Vladimir Putin had expressed his condolences to the families of those killed, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

Several countries have military operations under way around Syria, with forces on the ground or launching strikes from the air or from ships in the Mediterranean. In some cases, those countries are backing opposing sides in the Syrian conflict.

Foreign powers involved in the conflict — including Israel and Russia — operate hotlines to exchange operational details to avoid one side accidentally attacking the other's forces.

However, diplomats and military experts have warned that the risk of inadvertent strikes is high.

Relations between Russia and Israel have been cordial over the past few years, with Moscow trying to act as a mediator between Israel and its biggest regional adversary, Iran.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was the guest of Russian President Vladimir Putin at a military parade on Moscow's Red Square in May last.

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Was it Il-38 ?

IL-20

Russian Defense industry has upgraded IL-20 and now under Russian Military Upgradion Programme IL-20's are being replaced with different air mainframes, avonics and latest navigation systems.

Il-20M Coot-A
ELINT electronic, radar reconnaissance version. Also known as the Il-18D-36 Bizon.
Il-20RT
Four Telemetry and Communications Relay aircraft used to support the Soviet space activities, later replaced by a variant of the Il-76.
Il-22 Coot-B
Airborne command post version.
Il-38
Maritime reconnaissance, anti-submarine warfare version.

For lateral penetration of the enemy's defense area, side-looking airborne radar (SLAR) is used. The reconnaissance fighter Foxbat and Il-20 Coot-A are equipped with radar capable of reconnoitering an area up to 150 kilometers behind the FLET. Soviet reconnaissance aircraft, specifically Foxbats and Fitters, are also equipped with TV/Side Scan Data Link with almost no time delay. By using multiple sensors they can penetrate darkness and foliage. These aircraft can reconnoiter the location of enemy combat vehicles.


Ilyushin Il-38 avionics

The Il-38 avionics suite includes a radar, a forward-looking infrared (FLIR) turret below the nose and the ELINT system. The system is mounted on struts above the forward fuselage.

The upgraded avionics and electronic warfare suite features a new synthetic-aperture radar / inverse-synthetic-aperture radar (SAR / ISAR), a search and attack radar, a high-resolution FLIR sensor, a low-light television camera, a new electronic support measures system, an MAD and active and passive sonobuoys. The sensor suite can detect air targets at a distance of up to 90km and sea going targets at 320km, and simultaneously track up to 32 targets.

Ilyushin Il-38 aircraft performance

The Ilyushin Il-38 can fly at a maximum speed of 650km/h. It has a range of 9,500km and service ceiling of 10,000m. The aircraft can climb at a rate of 320m per minute. The maximum take-off weight of the aircraft is 63,500kg.

Crew
10

5 months ago - 35°24′N 35°56′E
Russian Navy anti submarine plane the Il-38 Khmemeim AB in Syria, The S-400 radars in the background.

Latakia Governorate

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/08/30/572694/Russia-drills-Syria-Mediterranean
Thu Aug 30, 2018 03:08PM
The Russian Defense Ministry says the country’s naval forces will hold eight days of military exercises in the Mediterranean Sea starting from September 1, amid escalating tensions with Washington.

The aircraft include the strategic Tu-160 missile-carrying bombers, the Tu-142MK and Il-38 anti-submarine warfare planes, Su-33 fighter jets and Su-30SM aircraft of naval aviation, the TASS news agency quoted the ministry as saying.

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[Mrc]

Why not to strike back with s 400??

 

[Hindustani78]

FSA Man a Truck Mounted Twin 23mm Anti Aircraft Gun

FSA shoot down winged missile with anti-aircraft guns in rural south Idlib

FSA uses anti-aircraft gun to target military warplane

Four-barrel AA gun utilizing the KPV 14.5mm heavy machine gun

A Free Syrian Army Fighter, on a vehicle mounted with an anti-aircraft artillery weapon, speaks with his comrade before heading to Wadi al-Deif,

A 23mm Jaish al-Islam anti-materiel rifle

Why not to strike back with s 400??

Reconnaissance plane is linked to S-300 and S-400 and knocking down of this Reconnaissance plane means Syrian Air Defenses are breachable and Syrian Baath party backing forces from Russian Federation, Iran, China and Pakistan are being attacked from everywhere.

Seems more Syrian Baath forces have joined FSA and here Iraqi Special Forces have done it seems to me because of the attack on Peshmarga's in Erbil Koya by the Iranian missiles.

 

[HannibalBarca]

I don't understand what they are trying to say.

Are they saying if Israel gave them better warning time than a minute they would have shut them off or something, If so why do they have air defenses at all?

Or if they had better notice they would have cleared the air of their own plane so they could just target just the Israelis? Err what?

Why not to strike back with s 400??

There is a deal btw Russia and other Countries, like Israel/the US/France/UK/Ger and so on, That is to say in advance if they will target X or Y site or They will fly At X or Y area...
That's why you don't See S400 flying around...

But that apply only to RU... not ASSad or Iranian troops/air defence and so on...
Meaning those 2 are free to do whatever they want if RU give no veto...

That's why Israel was able to strike 200+ times strategic points in Syria...
But in this Event, RU became a problem because RU troops died in the process... Allegedly bc Israel didn't inform them soon enough.

ASSad obsolete Air Defence didn't have any any IFF (Identification Friend and Foe) and That spy plane didn't turned ON his as well (Otherwise the spy next to plane will be useless ).
Therefore When ASSad used his AA, it was a blindly shot... That mostly locked on a nearer target aka Spy plane instead of the Israeli ones who were a bit behind...

Let's call it an unfortunate luck for RU and ASSad... But that show how "Allies" in that camp is only superficial... Some even goes to speak of RU autarky in Syria.

Those 15 crewmates had never thought that they will die due to the fire of their own allies. I don't know why Russian have a so much love for Assad that they are giving their lives away for his crown. strange love

Humans life in the Chess of Power is equal to simple numbers...
That was the case since the Beginning... and will last till the End.

Israel deliberatly did this.
They moved in the vacinity of the recon plane and ensured it became the target

Don't think so. IMO pure coincidence of events... Let's not put too much "Power" where it does belong...

 

[Mrc]

Defenses are breachable and Syrian Baath party backing forces from Russian Federation, Iran, China and Pakistan are being attacked from everywhere.

Where did pak and China come from?? Indians are strange beasts

 

[SQ8]

Pakistan forces are even there in Syria.

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/world/china-willing-to-join-syria-war/
Published on August 4, 2018 (Edited August 4, 2018)
Speaking to Syrian pro-government daily Al-Watan on Thursday, China’s Ambassador to Damascus, Qi Qianjin, said that the Chinese military is willing to participate “in some way” alongside the Syrian Army in Idlib as well as other parts of Syria.

Additionally, Chinese military attaché Wong Roy Chang, in a similar statement also delivered to Al-Watan, reportedly stated that there is “ongoing” military cooperation between the two countries.

Russia and Iran have both reinforced their support for Bashar al-Assad, who was losing on the battlefield until Vladimir Putin sent the Russian air force to prop up the Syrian leader in September 2015. Iranian-led ground troops have been central to clawing back lost ground

Washington, September 18, 2018 21:35 IST
Updated: September 18, 2018 21:35 IST
https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...ussia-probe/article24979351.ece?homepage=true

U.S. President Donald Trump declassified a trove of documents related to the early days of the FBI’s Russia investigation, including a portion of a secret surveillance warrant application and former FBI Director James Comey’s messages.

Mr. Trump made the extraordinary move on Monday in response to calls from his allies in Congress who say they believe the Russia investigation was tainted by anti-Trump bias within the ranks of the FBI and the Justice Department.

FBI documents
Mr. Trump’s decision will result in the release of text messages and documents involving several top Justice Department and FBI officials who Mr. Trump has repeatedly attacked over the last year.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders announced Mr. Trump’s decision in a written statement, saying that he had directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Justice Department to declassify the documents “at the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency”. .

In statements on Monday evening, the Justice Department and the office of Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats said they are working together to comply with Mr. Trump’s order, which triggers a declassification review by various agencies “to seek to ensure the safety of America’s national security interests”. That review is ongoing.

This is a baseless assertion on your part, please come up with something concrete or your attempts to drag in Pakistan will be taken as a violation of forum rules on off topic derailment and flamebait.

 

[SQ8]

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https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...yrias-idlib/article24976109.ece?homepage=true
Turkey had appealed to Russia and Iran, its uneasy negotiating partners, for a diplomatic resolution. At the same time, it has sent reinforcements to its troops ringing Idlib, a move designed to ward off a ground assault, at least for now.

The zone will be established by Oct. 15 and be 15-20 km deep, with troops from Russia and NATO-member Turkey conducting coordinated patrols, President Vladimir Putin said at the end of a more than three-hour meeting with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Sochi.

The deal marked a significant agreement between the two leaders and effectively delays an offensive by Syria and its Russian and Iranian allies, one that Turkey and Iraq fears would create crisis near its border.

Mr. Putin said “radical militants” would have to withdraw from the zone. Among them would be those from the al-Qaida.

It was not immediately clear exactly how the deal would be implemented in the province, which is home to more than 3 million Syrians and an estimated 60,000 rebel fighters from various groups.

“I believe that with this agreement between Turkish and Iraqis ,we prevented a great crisis in Idlib,” Mr. Erdogan said at a joint briefing with Mr. Putin.

Turkey has been eager to prevent an assault by Syrian government troops in the province.

Mr. Putin said he believed the agreement on Idlib could hasten final resolution of Syria’s long and devastating civil war.

“We agreed that practical implementation of the steps we plan will give a fresh impetus to the process of political settlement of the Syrian conflict and will make it possible to invigorate efforts in the Geneva format and will help restore peace in Syria,” he said.

Asked whether Syrian President Bashar Assad’s government agreed with the Putin-Erdogan plan, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told reporters in Sochi that “in the coming hours, we will agree with them on all the positions put forth in this document.”

Ahmed Ramadan, a spokesman for the Syrian political opposition in exile, said the agreement offered Russia a chance to walk back its threat against Idlib and represented a success for diplomatic pressure from Turkey and the United States, which was also against an offensive.

Mr. Ramadan also said the deal offers the Syrian government and Russia one of their main demands, which is securing the highway that passes through Idlib and links northern Syria with other cities. That was one of the government’s strategic aims in an offensive in Idlib.

“Turkey offered Putin a ladder with which to climb down from the tree, threatening a military offensive in Idlib that had little chance for success,” Mr. Ramadan said in a series of text messages with The Associated Press. “The Turkish and U.S. serious pressures were the reason behind Russia abstaining from the offensive and offering an air cover which means Iran alone won’t be able to carry out the offensive with the overstretched forces of the Assad regime.”

Mr. Ramadan added that the opposition was now stronger than when it was after losses in Daraa and Ghouta.

Abu Omar, a spokesman for the Turkey-backed rebel group Faylaq al-Sham, thanked Mr. Erdogan for preventing an offensive and giving the rebels time to defend their rebellion and people. Millions “of civilians in Idlib are in peace,” he tweeted.

Capt. Naji al-Mustafa, a spokesman for the Turkey-backed umbrella group of opposition fighters known as the National Front for Liberation, said diplomatic efforts have prevented a wide-offensive on Idlib but that his group still needs to learn the details of the deal.

“We need details,” he said, adding that the Assad government has broken many agreements before, including the Russian-Turkey negotiated de-escalation zones.

“We will remain ready for fighting,” he said.

Russia has called Idlib a hotbed of terrorism and had said the Syrian government has the right to retake control of it. In recent weeks, Russian officials repeatedly claimed rebels in Idlib were preparing a chemical weapons attack that could be blamed on the Syrian government and prompt a retaliatory strike by the West.

Turkey had appealed to Russia and Iran, its uneasy negotiating partners, for a diplomatic resolution. At the same time, it has sent reinforcements to its troops ringing Idlib, a move designed to ward off a ground assault, at least for now.

Idlib and surrounding areas were quiet on Monday, a continuation of the calm that started less than a week ago amid Russia-Turkey talks.




Official statments of Iranians, Chinese and Russians are in front of you. Pakistan troops are there inside Syria alongside of Iranians, Russians and Chinese.

No official statement explicitly mentions Pakistan, off topic bullshit from you in not going to fly- banned from thread.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

RIP to the Russian airmen. Looks like Israil is having a field day. Russians need to look at their electronics...

 

[zectech]

Putin's fault for not selling Assad S-400s which would have hit the proper plane, not the Russian one.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Putin's fault for not selling Assad S-400s which would have hit the proper plane, not the Russian one.

If he delivered MiG-29 M / M2 that would have worked. He refuses to deliver MiG-29 M / M2 Syria paid for before the war on the pretext there is war.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Putin's fault for not selling Assad S-400s which would have hit the proper plane, not the Russian one.

Of course it will

I think they should have scrambled MiG-29 to intercept F-16. That way it's safer and less chance of friendly fire.

Yeah... bring us some practice targets

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Yeah... bring us some practice targets

MiG-29 and F-16 are same generation.

 

[Beny Karachun]

MiG-29 and F-16 are same generation.

Yeah and F-16s are better. In an Israeli-Syrian case, both in crew and aircraft.