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Syria crisis: Saudi Arabia to spend millions to train new rebel force

Send more and Shias will join send more, battle won't end, enough Iraqis that are angered by the bombs that would join go to Syria ( over 100.000 of them still not gone there yet that were in such militias )if such would happen, Hezbollah on the western side, Yemenis.. many others so @BLACKEAGLE it doesn't work.
 
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Send more and Shias will join send more, battle won't end, enough Iraqis that are angered by the bombs that would join go to Syria ( over 100.000 of them still not gone there yet that were in such militias )if such would happen, Hezbollah on the western side, Yemenis.. many others so it doesn't work.

Correct, the growing Shiite force in Iraq is flocking to Syria in attempt to hold Assad in power for their own interest but not only seeing Assad in total control but rather not spilling over to Iraq if it's fall into Jihadist or Jihadi allied hand such as Salafis or Islamist but Iraq had seen the failure which angered the Suunis in Syria who wanted the conflict to spill over to Iraq and Lebanon which it is happening, same goes to the Kurds who is actively involved in the North seeing to be allied with the government force and Iraq's force in attempt to weaken the Jihadist influence where their major presence is in the North and East had also made the attack vulnerable to Kurdish cities in both countries. The more the war goes, the more both foreign Shiites and Suunis will flock into Syria and thefore will spill over to Iraq and Lebanon and for the security presence in their country, they are not comparable to Jordan and Turkey for an obvious point.

Iraqi Kurdistan more vulnerable to Al-Qaeda attacks - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Difference is that the leaders of those organizations enjoys a good salary from the Gulf countries but the fighting force does not differ a bit from other jihadists, only the higher commanders play according to Saudi interests. But since when do jihadists care about commanders.. they will go their own way eventually, today a human commander that does not fight, does not carry a gun and meets with "kings"/ politicians is nothing worthy to follow, he is worth little in jihadist society.
I'm not saying this article is completely false but comparing the Saudi Arabian supporter of Alloush's army is not comparable to others who hold Northern and Eastern Syria including Kurds since this is about the Southern particularly the capital where Alloush's influence are. Not to mention, there are groups allied with Jihadist so yes, if this plan goes welll according to Saudi Arabia then definitely will deepen division.
 
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Send more and Shias will join send more, battle won't end, enough Iraqis that are angered by the bombs that would join go to Syria ( over 100.000 of them still not gone there yet that were in such militias )if such would happen, Hezbollah on the western side, Yemenis.. many others so @BLACKEAGLE it doesn't work.

Shia will lose this game in specific, you send 10, 100 Sunnis will come. Iraq is making it more and more complicated for itself.
 
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Shia will lose this game in specific, you send 10, 100 Sunnis will come. Iraq is making it more and more complicated for itself.

Count us in brother, we got plenty of people ready to fight, all GCC brothers need to do is ask.

@OP and Saudi brothers @Arabian Legend @BLACKEAGLE
This is the greatest good news about Syria I heard after a long time. All I can say, is what took you guys so long? Anyway, better late than never. From now on never trust the ones that gives rise to false hopes. Let the games begin. I have a feeling this is going to be a watershed moment (turning point) in Syrian war. Another account of the same news item:

Saudi Arabia's Shadow War - By David Kenner | Foreign Policy

Saudi Arabia's Shadow War
The Kingdom is turning to Pakistan to train Syria’s rebels. It’s a partnership that once went very wrong in Afghanistan. Will history repeat itself?
BY DAVID KENNER | NOVEMBER 6, 2013
fsatraining.jpg

BEIRUT — Saudi Arabia, having largely abandoned hope that the United States will spearhead international efforts to topple the Assad regime, is embarking on a major new effort to train Syrian rebel forces. And according to three sources with knowledge of the program, Riyadh has enlisted the help of Pakistani instructors to do it.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, along with the CIA, also supported the Afghan rebels against the Soviet-backed government during the 1980s. That collaboration contains a cautionary note for the current day: The fractured Afghan rebels were unable to govern after the old regime fell, paving the way for chaos and the rise of the Taliban. Some of the insurgents, meanwhile, transformed into al Qaeda and eventually turned their weapons against their former patrons.

While the risk of blowback has been discussed in Riyadh, Saudis with knowledge of the training program describe it as an antidote to extremism, not a potential cause of it. They have described the kingdom's effort as having two goals -- toppling the Assad regime, and weakening al Qaeda-linked groups in the country. Prince Turki, the former Saudi intelligence chief and envoy to Washington, said in a recent interview that the mainstream opposition must be strengthened so that it could protect itself "these extremists who are coming from all over the place" to impose their own ideologies on Syria.

The ramped up Saudi effort has been spurred by the kingdom's disillusionment with the United States. A Saudi insider with knowledge of the program described how Riyadh had determined to move ahead with its plans after coming to the conclusion that President Barack Obama was simply not prepared to move aggressively to oust Assad. "We didn't know if the Americans would give [support] or not, but nothing ever came through," the source said. "Now we know the president just didn't want it."

Pakistan's role is so far relatively small, though another source with knowledge of Saudi thinking said that a plan was currently being debated to give Pakistan responsibility for training two rebel brigades, or around 5,000 to 10,000 fighters. Carnegie Middle East Center fellow Yezid Sayigh first noted the use of Pakistani instructors, writing that the Saudis were planning to build a Syrian rebel army of roughly 40,000 to 50,000 soldiers.

"The only way Assad will think about giving up power is if he's faced with the threat of a credible, armed force," said the Saudi insider.

A State Department official declined to comment on the Saudi training program.

Saudi Arabia's decision to move forward with training the Syrian rebels independent of the United States is the latest sign of a split between the two longtime allies. In Syria, Saudi officials were aggrieved by Washington's decision to cancel a strike on the Assad regime in reprisal for its chemical weapons attack on the Damascus suburbs this summer. A top Saudi official told the Washington Post that Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan was unaware of the cancelation of the strike. "We found about it from CNN," he said.

As a result, Saudi Arabia has given up on hopes that the United States would spearhead efforts to topple Assad and decided to press forward with its own plans to bolster rebel forces. That effort relies on a network of Saudi allies in addition to Pakistan, such as Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, and France.

As Sayigh laid out in his Carnegie paper, Saudi Arabia is attempting to build "a new national army" for the rebels -- a force with an "avowedly Sunni ideology" that could seize influence from mainstream Syrian opposition groups. In addition to its training program in Jordan, Saudi Arabia also helped organize the unification of roughly 50 rebel brigades into "the Army of Islam" under the leadership of Zahran Alloush, a Salafist commander whose father is a cleric based in the kingdom.

Given the increased Islamization of rebel forces on the ground, analysts say, it only makes sense that Saudi Arabia would throw its support behind Salafist groups. These militias "happen to be the most strategically powerful organizations on the ground," said Charles Lister, an analyst with IHS Jane's Terrorism and Insurgency Centre. "If Saudi Arabia does indeed follow such a strategy... it could well stand to become a major power player in the conflict."

In calling on Pakistan to assist in toppling Assad, Saudi Arabia can draw on its deep alliance with Islamabad. The two countries have long shared defense ties: Saudi Arabia has given more aid to Pakistani than to any non-Arab country, according to former CIA officer Bruce Riedel, and also allegedly helped fund Islamabad's nuclear program. In return, Pakistan based troops in Saudi Arabia multiple times over three decades to protect the royals' grip on power.

The current Pakistani government, in particular, is closely tied to Saudi Arabia. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was ousted from power in 1999 by a military coup - the Saudis allegedly brokered a deal that kept him from prison. Sharif would spend the next seven years in exile, mainly in Saudi Arabia. "For the Saudis, Sharif is a key partner in a key allied state," said Arif Rafiq, an adjunct scholar at the Middle East Institute.

But despite close collaboration in the past, Saudi Arabia may find its old allies chafing at the sheer scope of its ambitions in Syria. One Pakistani source with close ties to military circles confirmed that Saudi Arabia had requested assistance on Syria over the summer -- but argued that Pakistani capabilities and interests were not conducive to a sweeping effort to train the rebels.

Pakistan is already grappling with its own sectarian bloodshed and must mind its relationship with Iran, while its foreign policy is focused on negotiations with the Taliban over the future of Afghanistan and its longtime rivalry with India. "They have their hands full," the source said. "And even if they want to, I don't think they'll be able to give much concrete help."

Jordan is also reportedly leery about fielding a large Syrian rebel army on its soil. The ambitious Saudi plan would require a level of support from Amman "that is opposed within the security and military establishment and is unlikely to be implemented," according to Sayigh.

As the Saudis expand their effort to topple Assad, analysts say the central challenge is not to inflict tactical losses on the Syrian army, but to organize a coherent force that can coordinate its actions across the country. In other words, if Riyadh hopes to succeed where others have failed, it needs to get the politics right -- convincing the fragmented rebel groups, and their squabbling foreign patrons, to work together in pursuit of a shared goal.

It's easier said than done. "The biggest problem facing the Saudis now is the same one facing the U.S., France, and anyone else interested in helping the rebels: the fragmentation of the rebels into groups fighting each other for local and regional dominance rather than cooperating to overthrow Assad," said David Ottaway, a scholar at the Wilson Center who wrote a biography of Prince Bandar. "Could the Saudis force [the rebel groups] to cooperate? I have my doubts."
 
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@Arabian Legend ^^^ So the almighty Saudis need to gang up on the weakened Syria? Didn't your parents give you 2 arms? What good are those arms if you don't use them? Might as well chop them off and feed them to the pigs.

Saudi's do not need to get their hand dirty, there is plenty of Muslims living in dirt poor Sunni countries who will come to fight, given good enough incentive and benefits. If Saudi's wanted they could train just the millions of Sunni Bangladeshi, Indonesian and Pakistani migrant workers already living in Saudi Arabia to fight and that would be enough to beat up Assad's army.

If Iran can bring in their Shia brigade, Saudi's can bring in their world wide Sunni brigade.

For too long Saudi's have been misled by the likes of Obama and EU allies - false hopes and no results. It is good that those days are finally over. Now it is time for action, so sit back in your great arm chair and enjoy the show.
 
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Shia will lose this game in specific, you send 10, 100 Sunnis will come. Iraq is making it more and more complicated for itself.

Iraq isn't sending, volunteers go get it right eh.

You can't predict future as your doing in this message,
 
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Cant wait till the fully Trained and armed to the teeth terrorist come Home.:smitten:

Not until your basement dude appears to the surface :lol:

Read 'moderate' rebels, see extremist heart eating terrorists on the ground.

Selectivity is amazing, someone might argue, what Shia armed militias from Iraq and Iran are doing too?

Syria+Iran+Iraq+Afghanistan should work to destabilize Saudi Arabia. Saudi Wahhabis bring war to these countries time for pay back.:toast_sign:

With all due respect, but Iranians can hardly save their own dying people, destabilizing Bahrain was met with an utter firm grip, so give it a rest sis.

What work can you done other than watching your brothers in 09 being slaughtered like goats in Yemen? :lol: 
And Canadians are nothing but beggars, and beggars can't be choosers :lol:

The Saudis are chicken shit. They bought tens of billions of hardware from the US and other countries, sitting there rusting away. Fight the Syrians like a man, instead of hiding behind the rebels' skirt.

And you think there is no Saudi presence you stinky rat : lol:
 
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Count us in brother, we got plenty of people ready to fight, all GCC brothers need to do is ask.

@OP and Saudi brothers @Arabian Legend @BLACKEAGLE
This is the greatest good news about Syria I heard after a long time. All I can say, is what took you guys so long? Anyway, better late than never. From now on never trust the ones that gives rise to false hopes. Let the games begin. I have a feeling this is going to be a watershed moment (turning point) in Syrian war. Another account of the same news item:

Saudi Arabia's Shadow War - By David Kenner | Foreign Policy

Saudi Arabia's Shadow War
The Kingdom is turning to Pakistan to train Syria’s rebels. It’s a partnership that once went very wrong in Afghanistan. Will history repeat itself?
BY DAVID KENNER | NOVEMBER 6, 2013
fsatraining.jpg

BEIRUT — Saudi Arabia, having largely abandoned hope that the United States will spearhead international efforts to topple the Assad regime, is embarking on a major new effort to train Syrian rebel forces. And according to three sources with knowledge of the program, Riyadh has enlisted the help of Pakistani instructors to do it.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, along with the CIA, also supported the Afghan rebels against the Soviet-backed government during the 1980s. That collaboration contains a cautionary note for the current day: The fractured Afghan rebels were unable to govern after the old regime fell, paving the way for chaos and the rise of the Taliban. Some of the insurgents, meanwhile, transformed into al Qaeda and eventually turned their weapons against their former patrons.

While the risk of blowback has been discussed in Riyadh, Saudis with knowledge of the training program describe it as an antidote to extremism, not a potential cause of it. They have described the kingdom's effort as having two goals -- toppling the Assad regime, and weakening al Qaeda-linked groups in the country. Prince Turki, the former Saudi intelligence chief and envoy to Washington, said in a recent interview that the mainstream opposition must be strengthened so that it could protect itself "these extremists who are coming from all over the place" to impose their own ideologies on Syria.

The ramped up Saudi effort has been spurred by the kingdom's disillusionment with the United States. A Saudi insider with knowledge of the program described how Riyadh had determined to move ahead with its plans after coming to the conclusion that President Barack Obama was simply not prepared to move aggressively to oust Assad. "We didn't know if the Americans would give [support] or not, but nothing ever came through," the source said. "Now we know the president just didn't want it."

Pakistan's role is so far relatively small, though another source with knowledge of Saudi thinking said that a plan was currently being debated to give Pakistan responsibility for training two rebel brigades, or around 5,000 to 10,000 fighters. Carnegie Middle East Center fellow Yezid Sayigh first noted the use of Pakistani instructors, writing that the Saudis were planning to build a Syrian rebel army of roughly 40,000 to 50,000 soldiers.

"The only way Assad will think about giving up power is if he's faced with the threat of a credible, armed force," said the Saudi insider.

A State Department official declined to comment on the Saudi training program.

Saudi Arabia's decision to move forward with training the Syrian rebels independent of the United States is the latest sign of a split between the two longtime allies. In Syria, Saudi officials were aggrieved by Washington's decision to cancel a strike on the Assad regime in reprisal for its chemical weapons attack on the Damascus suburbs this summer. A top Saudi official told the Washington Post that Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan was unaware of the cancelation of the strike. "We found about it from CNN," he said.

As a result, Saudi Arabia has given up on hopes that the United States would spearhead efforts to topple Assad and decided to press forward with its own plans to bolster rebel forces. That effort relies on a network of Saudi allies in addition to Pakistan, such as Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, and France.

As Sayigh laid out in his Carnegie paper, Saudi Arabia is attempting to build "a new national army" for the rebels -- a force with an "avowedly Sunni ideology" that could seize influence from mainstream Syrian opposition groups. In addition to its training program in Jordan, Saudi Arabia also helped organize the unification of roughly 50 rebel brigades into "the Army of Islam" under the leadership of Zahran Alloush, a Salafist commander whose father is a cleric based in the kingdom.

Given the increased Islamization of rebel forces on the ground, analysts say, it only makes sense that Saudi Arabia would throw its support behind Salafist groups. These militias "happen to be the most strategically powerful organizations on the ground," said Charles Lister, an analyst with IHS Jane's Terrorism and Insurgency Centre. "If Saudi Arabia does indeed follow such a strategy... it could well stand to become a major power player in the conflict."

In calling on Pakistan to assist in toppling Assad, Saudi Arabia can draw on its deep alliance with Islamabad. The two countries have long shared defense ties: Saudi Arabia has given more aid to Pakistani than to any non-Arab country, according to former CIA officer Bruce Riedel, and also allegedly helped fund Islamabad's nuclear program. In return, Pakistan based troops in Saudi Arabia multiple times over three decades to protect the royals' grip on power.

The current Pakistani government, in particular, is closely tied to Saudi Arabia. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was ousted from power in 1999 by a military coup - the Saudis allegedly brokered a deal that kept him from prison. Sharif would spend the next seven years in exile, mainly in Saudi Arabia. "For the Saudis, Sharif is a key partner in a key allied state," said Arif Rafiq, an adjunct scholar at the Middle East Institute.

But despite close collaboration in the past, Saudi Arabia may find its old allies chafing at the sheer scope of its ambitions in Syria. One Pakistani source with close ties to military circles confirmed that Saudi Arabia had requested assistance on Syria over the summer -- but argued that Pakistani capabilities and interests were not conducive to a sweeping effort to train the rebels.

Pakistan is already grappling with its own sectarian bloodshed and must mind its relationship with Iran, while its foreign policy is focused on negotiations with the Taliban over the future of Afghanistan and its longtime rivalry with India. "They have their hands full," the source said. "And even if they want to, I don't think they'll be able to give much concrete help."

Jordan is also reportedly leery about fielding a large Syrian rebel army on its soil. The ambitious Saudi plan would require a level of support from Amman "that is opposed within the security and military establishment and is unlikely to be implemented," according to Sayigh.

As the Saudis expand their effort to topple Assad, analysts say the central challenge is not to inflict tactical losses on the Syrian army, but to organize a coherent force that can coordinate its actions across the country. In other words, if Riyadh hopes to succeed where others have failed, it needs to get the politics right -- convincing the fragmented rebel groups, and their squabbling foreign patrons, to work together in pursuit of a shared goal.

It's easier said than done. "The biggest problem facing the Saudis now is the same one facing the U.S., France, and anyone else interested in helping the rebels: the fragmentation of the rebels into groups fighting each other for local and regional dominance rather than cooperating to overthrow Assad," said David Ottaway, a scholar at the Wilson Center who wrote a biography of Prince Bandar. "Could the Saudis force [the rebel groups] to cooperate? I have my doubts."

what about the palestians where were GCC?
 
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Syria crisis: Saudi Arabia to spend millions to train new rebel force


Just a cry of failure...It is a precursor of the changing of the guard...Qatar here we come.
 
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"kalu_miah, post: 4933054, member: 13093"]Count us in brother, we got plenty of people ready to fight, all GCC brothers need to do is ask.

L O L yes you speak for all of bangladesh from the comforts of your house in USA.Bangladesh banned JI the Terrorist party long time ago.:omghaha:

Thank you bangladesh you have My respect :smitten:
 
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L O L yes you speak for all of bangladesh from the comforts of your house in USA.Bangladesh banned JI the Terrorist party long time ago.:omghaha:

Thank you bangladesh you have My respect :smitten:

Bangladesh is 90% Muslim so we have around 150 million Muslim population. They are almost 100% Sunni and 0.0003% Shia. And we have almost 3 million workers working in GCC countries, who have 30-50 million relatives back home who they support, with around $1 billion remittance per month or about $12 billion per year. This is a much bigger issue than any political party for Bangladesh:
Remittance(Date wise)

Monthly data of Wage earner's remittance
Year/MonthRemittances
In million US dollar in million
2013-2014
September 1020.38
August 1005.77
July 1238.96
2012-2013
June 1058.24
May 1087.19
April 1194.40
March 1229.36
February 1163.18
January 1326.99
December 1287.31
November 1102.15
October 1453.69
September 1178.83
August 1178.65
July 1201.15

So GCC countries, specially Saudi Arabia is a very close national security and interest matter for Bangladesh. We will be at the side of our Sunni Muslim brother, who are helping us in our time of need, regardless of party affiliation. So spare us your theories about Bangladesh.
 
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We run Bahrain, mad?

Really pointing out obvious hypocrisy is being Mad.

Bangladesh is 90% Muslim so we have around 150 million Muslim population. They are almost 100% Sunni and 0.0003% Shia. And we have almost 3 million workers working in GCC countries, who have 30-50 million relatives back home who they support, with around $1 billion remittance per month or about $12 billion per year. This is a much bigger issue than any political party for Bangladesh:
Remittance(Date wise)

Monthly data of Wage earner's remittance
Year/MonthRemittances
In million US dollar in million
2013-2014
September 1020.38
August 1005.77
July 1238.96
2012-2013
June 1058.24
May 1087.19
April 1194.40
March 1229.36
February 1163.18
January 1326.99
December 1287.31
November 1102.15
October 1453.69
September 1178.83
August 1178.65
July 1201.15

So GCC countries, specially Saudi Arabia is a very close national security and interest matter for Bangladesh. We will be at the side of our Sunni Muslim brother, who are helping us in our time of need, regardless of party affiliation. So spare us your theories about Bangladesh.

Love the news terrorist party used by Saudis to destroy pakistan was banned by Bangladesh STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulation Bangladesh for securing your people and your countries future and cutting the hands devil used to destroy my country.

You are right bangladesh has 90% Sunni Muslim population and not enough Wahhabi thats why they banned the terrorist party i completely agree with you.

Just one question why arent you in GCC nations what are you doing in USA
 
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