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Switzerland Votes on Muslim Minaret Ban

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BAHAHAHH. Do you realize how stupid what you just said is?

I said.

"Why do you call it an "Australian" church? I don't believe churches have a nationality. "

You said "Then it can be said mosques don't have a religion either, because they are open of everyone." Thus implying that "Australia" is a religion which it is not.

my bad misunderstood ur post, your wrong regarding nationality, if a church is in autralia it is a property of Australia, then that people that visit them are most likely Australians.
 
He is either Indian Hindu or Jewish Australian.

He has a soft sport for Israel and India, and always posts against Pakistan and Muslims.

In another thread This Dude wanted India to Invade Pakistan and take its Nuclear weapons .. haha Poor kid:haha:
 
In another thread This Dude wanted India to Invade Pakistan and take its Nuclear weapons .. haha Poor kid:haha:

Umm no i didn't never said that either.

Also i have never once posted against pakistan or muslims, i don't know what hes on about.

Also I have no religion and i am Australian.

You all have a habbit of not understanding something or misinterpreting something. You see things as attacks on something when it really isn't
 
According to website of the Swiss Federal Department of Justice and Police!


What rights are violated by the ban on building minarets that the initiative wishes to introduce?


"A ban on the construction of minarets, with no exceptions, as the initiative demands, violates important human rights that are guaranteed by law and is contrary to key fundamental rights enshrined in our Federal Constitution. The initiative violates the freedom of religion, because an absolute ban on minarets would place an unjustified restriction on the way in which a section of the Swiss population may publicly avow their faith. The initiative also breaches the ban on discrimination in that it is directed exclusively against an Islamic religious symbol, while not prohibiting comparably symbolic structures that are part of other religions."
 
Umm no i didn't never said that either.

Also i have never once posted against pakistan or muslims, i don't know what hes on about.

Also I have no religion and i am Australian.

You all have a habbit of not understanding something or misinterpreting something. You see things as attacks on something when it really isn't

"I will support india if it invades Pakistan because its nucelar weapons are going in taliban hands"

These were your words
 
Umm no i didn't never said that either.

Also i have never once posted against pakistan or muslims, i don't know what hes on about.

Also I have no religion and i am Australian.

You all have a habbit of not understanding something or misinterpreting something. You see things as attacks on something when it really isn't

:) strange after being caught on your ignorance over Australia you had changed your flag from Australian one to United Nation.

Anyway i would like to come back to the topic.
 
:) strange after being caught on your ignorance over Australia you had changed your flag from Australian one to United Nation.

Anyway i would like to come back to the topic.

What ignorance over Australia? I know everything about Australia.
 
Umm no i didn't never said that either.

Also i have never once posted against pakistan or muslims, i don't know what hes on about.

Also I have no religion and i am Australian.

You all have a habbit of not understanding something or misinterpreting something. You see things as attacks on something when it really isn't


Allow me to show you the Mirror. i am posting your post , have a look and clear your point ...:agree:

Originally Posted by xdrive
I would support india invading pakistan to take it nucleaer weapons. Pakistan is such an unstable country at the moment, the taliban could take the nukes and use them.



Link.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/39875-limited-war-possible-indian-army-chief-kapoor-7.html#post560303

Waiting for you to accept that you have been wrong:cheers:
 
Allow me to show you the Mirror. i am posting your post , have a look and clear your point ...:agree:

Originally Posted by xdrive
I would support india invading pakistan to take it nucleaer weapons. Pakistan is such an unstable country at the moment, the taliban could take the nukes and use them.



Link.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/39875-limited-war-possible-indian-army-chief-kapoor-7.html#post560303

Waiting for you to accept that you have been wrong:cheers:

He said this "In another thread This Dude wanted India to Invade Pakistan and take its Nuclear weapons"

Now look at my words, they are completely different. With what he said he implies that i support India going in and taking Pakistanis nukes for no reason at all. Quote exactly what i said, or don't quote me at all.
 
I just came to know that in Switzerland there are only four minarets. And the biased decision is indeed a phobia and unjustified. tsk task:disagree:
 
Swiss minaret vote: Projections suggest ban backed

BBC News - Swiss minaret vote: Projections suggest ban backed

Projections from exit polls suggest that voters in Switzerland have backed a referendum proposal to ban the building of minarets.

The result is not yet official, but the BBC's correspondent in Berne says if it is confirmed, it would be a surprise.

The proposal was backed by the Swiss People's Party (SVP), the largest party in parliament, which claims minarets are a sign of Islamisation.

Opponents say a ban would discriminate and that the ballot has stirred hatred.

The government opposes a ban.

Switzerland is home to some 400,000 Muslims and has just four minarets. Official referendum results are due at 1700 GMT.

Under the Swiss system, a referendum result is not binding unless a majority of canton voting districts approve it, as well as a majority of voters.

The BBC's Imogen Foulkes, in Bern, says the voting trends are very bad news for the Swiss government which had urged voters to reject a ban on minarets, fearing unrest among the Muslim community and damage to Switzerland's relations with Islamic countries.


This will cause major problems because during this campaign in the last two weeks different mosques were attacked, which we never experienced in 40 years in Switzerland

But voters worried about rising immigration, and with it the rise of Islam, seem to have ignored the government's advice, our correspondent says.

Partial results from the poll which closed at 1100 GMT indicated that the German-speaking canton of Lucerne accepted the ban, while French-speaking cantons Geneva and Vaud voted against, news agency AFP reported.

"The initiative would appear to be accepted, there is a positive trend. It's a huge surprise," French-language television said, 30 minutes after polls closed at midday.

Islam is the most widespread religion after Christianity in Switzerland, but it remains relatively hidden.

There are unofficial Muslim prayer rooms, and planning applications for new minarets are almost always refused.

Supporters of a ban claim that allowing minarets would represent the growth of an ideology and a legal system - Sharia law - which are incompatible with Swiss democracy.

But others say the referendum campaign has incited hatred. On Thursday the Geneva mosque was vandalised for the third time during the campaign, according to local media.

Before the vote, Amnesty International warned that the ban would violate Switzerland's obligations to freedom of religious expression.

'Political symbol'

The president of Zurich's Association of Muslim Organisations, Tamir Hadjipolu, told the BBC that if the ban was implemented, Switzerland's Muslim community would live in fear.

"This will cause major problems because during this campaign in the last two weeks different mosques were attacked, which we never experienced in 40 years in Switzerland.

"So with the campaign... the Islamaphobia has increased very intensively."

Sunday's referendum was held after the People's party collected 100,000 signatures from eligible voters within 18 months calling for a vote.

SVP member of parliament Ulrich Schluer said the referendum campaign had helped integration by encouraging debate. He rejected the charge of discrimination.

"Every Muslim is allowed to come together with other Muslims to have the religion together," he told the BBC.

"But a minaret is a political symbol. It is a symbol for introducing, step-by-step, Sharia rights also in Switzerland, parallel to the Swiss law which is a result of Swiss democracy. And this is the problem. It is nothing against Muslims."

In recent years many countries in Europe have been debating their relationship with Islam, and how best to integrate their Muslim populations.

France focused on the headscarf, while in Germany there was controversy over plans to build one of Europe's largest mosques in Cologne.
 
Guys get off xdrive's back. This forum is not about individuals but the issues being discussed here. You guys were okay while you proved some of his arguments wrong (according to me). But it wasn't okay when you started mocking him for making those statements.

Talk about topics, not the people talking about the topics. I think enough has been discussed on this issue, which isn't the primary focus of our forum - Pakistan. I'd be more concerned, offended and angry if Pakistan were making similar moves to ban Christian Crosses off the churches.
 
He said this "In another thread This Dude wanted India to Invade Pakistan and take its Nuclear weapons"

Now look at my words, they are completely different. With what he said he implies that i support India going in and taking Pakistanis nukes for no reason at all. Quote exactly what i said, or don't quote me at all.

Cheeky boy...

Here is my full statment when i quoted your statement:"I will support india if it invades Pakistan because its nucelar weapons are going in taliban hands"
BTW i am not letting you go before you clarify your stance and why do you Hate Pakitan:angry:
 
I'll let this thread remain open since when we've discussed it this much lets wait and see the result of this poll. Stay on topic, meanwhile.
 
Guys get off xdrive's back. This forum is not about individuals but the issues being discussed here. You guys were okay while you proved some of his arguments wrong (according to me). But it wasn't okay when you started mocking him for making those statements.

Talk about topics, not the people talking about the topics. I think enough has been discussed on this issue, which isn't the primary focus of our forum - Pakistan. I'd be more concerned, offended and angry if Pakistan were making similar moves to ban Christian Crosses off the churches.


Just doing it because i need to know what sort of person i am talking to , i dont see anything wrong with it , we are moving back to the topic..
 
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