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This is complete BS. The Taliban is the creation of Islamic groups in the Gulf, Afghanistan and Pakistan. These people were NOT created by the CIA or any other American entity. You are in DENIAL. You will never get better until you stop blaming other people for your own problems, and take responsibility for the monsters that YOUR culture has created.
Yes, but they were funded by the Central Intelligence Agency even Mossad was invovled for giving Soviet based weapons to These people.Pakistan neither had the money nor the resources to do it alone.
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Here's a report from Steve Col who was covering this at that time

By: Steve Coll, 'Washington Post', July 19, 1992

A specially equipped C-141 Starlifter transport carrying William Casey touched down at a military air base south of Islamabad in October 1984 for a secret visit by the CIA director to plan strategy for the war against Soviet forces in Afghanistan. Helicopters lifted Casey to three secret training camps near the Afghan border, where he watched mujaheddin rebels fire heavy weapons and learn to make bombs with CIA-supplied plastic explosives and detonators.

During the visit, Casey startled his Pakistani hosts by proposing that they take the Afghan war into enemy territory -- into the Soviet Union itself. Casey wanted to ship subversive propaganda through Afghanistan to the Soviet Union's predominantly Muslim southern republics. The Pakistanis agreed, and the CIA soon supplied thousands of Korans, as well as books on Soviet atrocities in Uzbekistan and tracts on historical heroes of Uzbek nationalism, according to Pakistani and Western officials.

More here: http://www.globalissues.org/article/...ert-afghan-war
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Yes, but they were funded by the Central Intelligence Agency.

Partially funded. The majority of the funding came from the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia. At the time these groups were not the "Taliban" that we see today. The Taliban of today was created in the madrassas of Pakistan catering to Afghan refugees and Pakistani Pashtuns, and then armed and supported in Afghanistan, by Pakistan, as a means of trying to install a client-state Afghan government after the Soviet withdrawal. By the time the Taliban was forming, the CIA had withdrawn from Afghanistan involvement, but not so the Gulf Wahabis OR Pakistan. These post-1990 Islamic groups are the creation of Pakistan and the Wahabis of the Gulf, not the USA.

You can't both criticize the USA for "abandoning" Afghanistan after the Soviet defeat and, at the same time, assert that the USA created the irhabi groups that came about many years later. You can say that IF the US had stayed involved, then MAYBE the Afghan civil war wouldn't have happened and the Taliban wouldn't have formed. BUT, IF the US had stayed involved to the degree that it could control such events, then the USA would have been reviled for being an "occupier", just as it is reviled today for "occupying" Afghanistan. USA involvement in a Muslim country is a NO WIN proposition that is ONLY attempted by us to TRY to protect our people from irhabi terrorists, like al Qaeda.
 
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=TruthSeeker;345127cPartially funded. The majority of the funding came from the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia. At the time these groups were not the "Taliban" that we see today. The Taliban of today was created in the madrassas of Pakistan catering to Afghan refugees and Pakistani Pashtuns, and then armed and supported in Afghanistan, by Pakistan, as a means of trying to install a client-state Afghan government after the Soviet withdrawal. By the time the Taliban was forming, the CIA had withdrawn from Afghanistan involvement, but not so the Gulf Wahabis OR Pakistan. These post-1990 Islamic groups are the creation of Pakistan and the Wahabis of the Gulf, not the USA.

You can't both criticize the USA for "abandoning" Afghanistan after the Soviet defeat and, at the same time, assert that the USA created the irhabi groups that came about many years later. You can say that IF the US had stayed involved, then MAYBE the Afghan civil war wouldn't have happened and the Taliban wouldn't have formed. BUT, IF the US had stayed involved to the degree that it could control such events, then the USA would have been reviled for being an "occupier", just as it is reviled today for "occupying" Afghanistan. So, the the USA, involvement in a Muslim country is a NO WIN proposition that is ONLY attempted by us to TRY to protect our people from irhabi terrorists, like al Qaeda.
The people you called Mujahedeen are the same people who are now called Taliban.Just next generation.FYI: Taliban have not done any attack on US itself.It's AQ which has done that.Do you expect Pakistan to install anti Pakistani Government in Kabul when there are million of Afghanis refugees in Pakistan?As much as i hate Talibans America should have continued donating money to Afghanistan and Pakistan instead of putting sanctions on Pakistan.Don't you agree.These Pushtuns defeated Soviets (Main Enemy of USA) for your people.They deserved far more then that.I wish William J Casey as well as the ISI DG of that time was alive at this time and this would not have happened.America radaclized Muslim world in the first.Let's not forget it.ISI provided the idea and America approved it.Here is a video of my favorite US Senator Mr Ron Paul who i know have far more knowledge then you (No Offensive Steve)
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Saadahmed, I agree with everything that Ron Paul says in the video clip except his saying that the CIA financed the madrassas in Pakistan. I think that the CIA financed the fighters and the tribal leaders who had armed groups engaged in the fight and found sources of weapons. But the madrassas were financed primarily by the Saudis and other Gulf States, such as the UAE. I have said it many times on this forum: US support of Israel is the PRIMARY problem that we have with the Muslim world. All else that has happened in the past 25 years has flowed from that issue. I, personally, agree with Ron Paul that we should stop supporting Israel and become far more isolationist in our foreign policy.

But I still do not accept the blanket blame thrown at the US by many on this forum for all irhabi trouble that Pakistan is experiencing. You heard Ron Paul use the word "blowback" in his talk to describe the problems that the US has caused for itself by some of its actions. Well, Pakistan is experiencing "blowback", big time, for it's pursuit of "strategic depth" through jihad-motivated groups.
 
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Saadahmed, I agree with everything that Ron Paul says in the video clip except his saying that the CIA financed the madrassas in Pakistan. I think that the CIA financed the fighters and the tribal leaders who had armed groups engaged in the fight and found sources of weapons. But the madrassas were financed primarily by the Saudis and other Gulf States, such as the UAE. I have said it many times on this forum: US support of Israel is the PRIMARY problem that we have with the Muslim world. All else that has happened in the past 25 years has flowed from that issue. I, personally, agree with Ron Paul that we should stop supporting Israel and become far more isolationist in our foreign policy.

But I still do not accept the blanket blame thrown at the US by many on this forum for all irhabi trouble that Pakistan is experiencing. You heard Ron Paul use the word "blowback" in his talk to describe the problems that the US has caused for itself by some of its actions. Well, Pakistan is experiencing "blowback", big time, for it's pursuit of "strategic depth" through jihad-motivated groups.

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A blanket blame should not be thrown at US for all the troubles in Pakistan but complete innocence is something which no party can hope to be labeled with.
We all share the blame.

CIA funded the Mujahidden fighters to help in their fight and kick soviet union in the groin.
But the Madrassas were there and constantly producing Mujahidden who in turn were getting helped and financed by CIA.
The bottomline is that US interest was being met and so CIA and US administration carried on with the operation despite having a fair idea of the madrassas and what they preached to make the Mujahidden hardened and brutal warriors.

Pleading US ignorance to this fact is not something i can accept, after all i highly respect US expertise in espionage, strategic studies and political maneuvering.
Either everyone was deliberately ignoring the writing on the wall or no body sincerely thought about what will happen after exit of Soviet Union with so many different Mujaheddin groups present.
When all the different Mujahidden groups (under different commanders) were free from fighting the Soviet Union they turned on each other and the rest is history.
It is both a failing of Pakistan and US not to take steps to ensure there was no such horrible backlash!

Pakistan supporting Taliban also stemmed out of the need to have a stable Afghanistan and end the civil war which was causing more and more influx of refugees in Pakistan.
Pakistan just supported one of the parties in the struggle.
That also proved to be a mistake since Talibanization has evolved into another form of terrorism as far as Pakistan is concerned.

My point is that there was a lot that could have been done by the US at that critical time to put Afghanistan back on its feet since US was seen as a true friend.
Pakistan would have helped as to the best of its capability.
You were damn well respected by the Afghans at that time.
I used to see Rambo posters everywhere.

US could have exerted far more positive influence at that time as opposed to now when you have had to enter Afghanistan after bombing them to rubble.

Now it is a futile discussion since we cannot roll back time, still at some level we all have to see our mutual failing and obligation to set things right.

All of us.
 
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Information Minister Mian Iftikhar Hussain is a lying coward!



Government writ restored in most of Swat, says minister


Wednesday, April 08, 2009
Bureau report

PESHAWAR: Expressing satisfaction over the truce in Malakand Division, NWFP Information Minister Mian Iftikhar Hussain Tuesday said the government writ had been restored in about 70 per cent of Swat area after February 16 deal.

“This is the suitable recipe for bringing peace and we shall apply it wherever it is needed once it proves successful in Malakand Division,” Mian Iftikhar told a press conference here.

Briefing journalists after the 10th meeting of the provincial cabinet, the minister said militants had agreed to lay down arms after the enforcement of Nizam-e-Adl Regulation in Malakand. “All those opposing the peace deal must know that this is our problem and let’s solve it our way,” said Mian Iftikhar, who hoped that the government’s writ in rest of the 30 per cent area would be restored in the due course of time.

The minister, however, admitted that situation in parts of Swat was not ideal, but there was no reason to call it disappointing. He said that schools and colleges had been reopened, girls were giving papers; businesses had been resumed on which people were happy. “Why critics of the peace deal don’t call the glass half-full when they call it half-empty,” he posed a question.

About the delay in signing the draft Nizam-e-Adl Regulation, the minister said President Zardari and the central government was on board while signing the peace deal. He said there might be a bit delay, but expressed the hoped that it would be signed to allay fears of the people.

About the controversy being linked to the signing of the proposed law, Mian Iftikhar said that Qazi courts had already started functioning in Malakand under the 1999 Regulation. He said signing of the Nizam-e-Adl Regulation 2009 into a law by the president would pave the way for the complete enforcement of the system in the area.

About the alleged lashing of a 17-year-old girl by Taliban in Swat, the minister said the matter had become sub judice following the suo moto notice by the Supreme Court and he would not comment on that. He said the prime minister had convened a meeting with the chief ministers of the four provinces in Islamabad a day earlier to discuss the security situation.

About the recent clash between local Lashkar and Taliban in Buner district, Mian Iftikhar said eight militants and four others, including a police officer, a constable and two Lashkar men had been killed. He said negotiations were underway to resolve the problem.

The minister rejected the impression that the present commissioner of Malakand Division was appointed on the recommendation of TNSM chief Maulana Sufi Muhammad.

Earlier, the 10th meeting of the provincial cabinet was held with the Chief Minister Ameer Haider Hoti in the chair. The meeting reviewed the decision taken during the previous cabinet meeting.

Mian Iftikhar said the meeting decided to constitute a Provincial Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) to review the discriminatory laws regarding women in the province. He said the commission would be comprised of ten members with one of them as a minority representative.

Led by a chairperson for the tenure of three years, the commission would keep an eye on government’s policy regarding the women, review rules and laws regarding the women and ensure provision of legal rights to women as guaranteed in the 1973 Constitution.

Mian Iftikhar said the chief minister had ordered release of Rs10 million to the commissioner Malakand division for the rehabilitation of the internally displaced people (IDPs) from Swat. He said the CM had ordered the authorities concerned to allow admission to students from Swat in different educational institutions.

He said the cabinet directed the administration, law and finance departments to prepare a report about the government employees removed from the service between 1996 and 1998 within a month. Restoration of the sacked government employees was ordered by Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani earlier.

He said committee was formed to allow the payment of royalty to districts where gas and oil had been explored. The committee would devise procedure for spending the amount in the same districts and tehsils, he added.
 
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Swat militants occupy college, kidnap cop

Wednesday April 08, 2009

MINGORA: Activists of the banned Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Swat chapter, occupied a local college and a filling station while a traffic constable was also kidnapped in the valley on Tuesday.

Sources said that armed militants stormed the Government Technical College in Pan area of Mingora city all of a sudden and occupied all its rooms.

Meanwhile, unidentified men kidnapped a traffic constable in the city. The sources said Shah Dauran, a traffic constable, was performing his duty at the Green Chowk when unidentified gunmen arrived there in a pickup and took him to an undisclosed location.

In another incident, the militants occupied a filling station in Barikot, owned by Said Ahmed, a resident of Buner district.
 
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Sufi Mohammed calls off Swat peace deal


SWAT: The chief of outlawed Tehreek e Nifaz e Shariat Mohammedi has withdrawn from the peace deal with the government and has said all peace camps in the region will be abolished, DawnNews has reported.



Mohammed, who brokered the peace deal between the Taliban and the government of Pakistan has claimed that the authorities have used delaying tactics in imposing the Nizam-i-Adal (Islamic courts) in the Swat region.



The announcement casts serious doubt on the durability of a cease-fire in the Swat valley that U.S. officials worry will create another sanctuary for allies of al-Qaida responsible for a rising tide of violence in the nuclear-armed country.


Imposing Islamic law in Swat, a one-time tourist haven, was the key plank of an accord worked out in February between the provincial government and Sufi Muhammad, a cleric who once led thousands of volunteers to fight U.S. forces in Afghanistan but has since renounced violence.


Thanks in part to Muhammad's mediation, the agreement ended 18 months of terror and bloody clashes that had left hundreds dead and forced up to one-third of the previously prosperous valley's 1.5 million residents to flee.


But the militants have retained their arms and this week pushed into a neighboring area where they fought deadly gunbattles with villagers and police.


President Asif Ali Zardari has said he will only sign an order introducing Islamic law in the region once peace has been restored _ without saying how that would be determined.


Muhammad, who had been camped out in the valley's main town of Mingora with hundreds of black-turbaned supporters, said they were leaving to protest Zardari's 'negative attitude.'


'From now on, President Zardari will be responsible for any situation in Swat, ‘ the white-bearded cleric told reporters. 'The provincial government is sincere and our agreement with the provincial government is intact, but we are ending our peace camp.'


Television footage showed dozens of Muhammad's supporters crammed into a column of cars and driving out of Mingora, some of them clutching black and white flags.


Mian Iftikhar Hussain, the information minister for the government of North West Frontier Province, said he believed the federal government was 'sincere' in supporting the peace effort, but said he couldn't say when the Islamic law bill would be signed.



'We are committed to bringing about a durable peace and we will continue our efforts in the changed situation,' Hussain said.


Zardari aides said officials were looking into the matter but gave no further comment.


Hasan Askari Rizvi, a political and military analyst, said Zardari may have delayed signing off on the agreement because of concerns within the year-old civilian government over negotiating with militants.



'The opinion is divided,' Rizvi said. 'A good number of people in the government think that this is not the right approach.'


Zardari's foot-dragging also lets him save face with Western critics of the deal, he said.


Under former military ruler Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan struck a series of peace deals with militants along the Afghan border that U.S. officials say let the Taliban and al-Qaida regroup and focus their energy on attacking American and NATO troops in Afghanistan.


President Barack Obama has made a sharp increase in financial aid to Pakistan conditional on it demonstrating more commitment to rooting out al-Qaida and other extremist groups.


U.S. envoy Richard Holbrooke said Tuesday after meeting Zardari in Islamabad that the situation in Swat had helped persuade more of Pakistan's political elite of the need to combat extremism at America's side.


Pakistan desperately needs economic aid to ease the fallout from an economic crunch. It also faces an exodus of foreign investors in the face of rising violence and political uncertainty.


On Thursday, one policeman died and five more were injured as protests erupted across the southwestern province of Baluchistan after the discovery of the mutilated bodies of three missing political activists.


The trio included the leader of one of an array of Baluch groups campaigning _ or fighting _ for more autonomy and control over natural resources in the impoverished province, which borders Afghanistan and Iran.


Activists immediately blamed Pakistan's spy agencies for the political activists' deaths. Police said they were investigating.


Over the weekend, a previously unknown Baluch group freed an American U.N. worker after holding him for two months to press the government to release political prisoners.

DAWN.COM | + Pakistan | Sufi Mohammed calls off Swat peace deal
 
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Sufi winds up Swat peace camp
Friday, April 10, 2009
Demands Zardari must sign Nizam-e-Adl Regulation
By our correspondent

MINGORA: Winding up his peace camp in Swat, Tanzim Nifaz Shariat-e-Muhammadi (TNSM) chief Maulana Sufi Muhammad Thursday said peace could not be restored unless President Asif Ali Zardari signed the Nizam-e-Adl Regulation.

Addressing a press conference at the colony of the Government Degree College, Saidu Sharif, he said the provincial government was honest and sincere in signing the peace accord, but the federal government was insincere towards achieving the goal of bringing normalcy to Swat Valley.

He said the federal government would be responsible for the consequences if the peace process collapsed and the situation in Swat turned violent again. He argued that the federal government was not cooperating with the NWFP government in overcoming the problems in Swat through peaceful means.

He said the situation could be brought under control in Swat if the president signed the Nizam-e-Adl Regulation.“When there was no authority with the Qazis in Swat then how they could exercise their powers independently,” he said, adding that Qazis should have been authorised to make decisions

The TNSM chief wound up his peace camp installed in Swat for the restoration of peace and shifted to Amandarra near Batkhela in Malakand Agency along with his followers. His organisation maintains an office in Amandarra.

Sources said the commissioner Malakand Division, Syed Muhammad Javed, met the TNSM chief Sufi Muhammad and asked him to set up his camp in Barikot again for the restoration of peace, but he refused to do so.

However, the Kanju Amn Committee, which has been campaigning for peace in Swat, in an urgent meeting at Kanju decided to persuade Sufi Muhammad to come back to the valley. Soon afterwards, an eight-member delegation of the committee under the leadership of Inamur Rahman drove to Amandarra in neighbouring Malakand Agency and began talks with Sufi Muhammad. The delegation, according to reports, urged Sufi Muhammad to return to Swat for the sake of peace.

Meanwhile, one militant, whose name could not be ascertained immediately, was killed by the security forces when a group of Taliban tried to loot the house of a former nazim in village Qalagai.

A group of armed Taliban raided the house of the former nazim, Ajmeer, in Qalagai and loaded the valuable household items in their vehicles, besides taking four people with them. But soon after the raid of the Taliban, the security forces contingents arrived and opened fire on the Taliban convoy.

The Taliban abandoned their vehicles laden with the household items of the Ajmeer, but took Zaiwar, Afreen (brothers) and two of their children with them. APP adds: Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Qamar Zaman Kaira said the federal government had contacted NWFP government over the situation in Swat after the statement of Maulana Sufi Muhammad as both had signed the agreement for peace in Swat.

The federal government would comment over the issue after the provincial government informs it over the status of the peace deal, he told reporters at the Parliament House in Islamabad.

The minister said President Asif Ali Zardari had linked his endorsement of the deal to peace in Swat. “We had accepted the demands made by Maulana Sufi Muhammad and the Taliban would also have to lay down their arms,” the minister said.

Commissioner Malakand Syed Muhammad Javed said: “Maulana Sufi Muhammad is with us in the ongoing peace process and did not pulled himself back from the Swat peace deal signed by TNSM and NWFP Government on February 16 last.”

He said Sufi Muhammad had assured them of full cooperation for the establishment of peace and harmony in Malakand division. “No body should worry about ending of peace camp in Swat. We are in touch with Maulana Sahib and peace process will continue unabated,” the commissioner elaborated.

Sufi winds up Swat peace camp
 
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Swat Taliban agree to leave Buner

LAHORE: The Taliban agreed to leave Buner district unconditionally after successful talks with a peace jirga in Mingora on Thursday.

Malakand Commissioner Syed Muhammad Javed told a private TV channel the Taliban had agreed to leave Buner and would completely vacate the area by Friday (today). He said the Taliban had made no demands for vacating the area.

Earlier, the local jirga held talks with the Taliban under the supervision of the commissioner. Javed said Maulana Waliullah mediated between the jirga members and Taliban. He said people of the area were satisfied with the result of the dialogue and were happy the Taliban were leaving Buner.

During the jirga, its members had offered the top Taliban leadership in Swat a peace deal and apology to end the standoff resulting from villagers executing 20 Taliban last week, elders told Daily Times. Waliullah confirmed the jirga members’ unconditional apology to the Taliban. “We want peaceful settlement of the Taliban presence in Buner,” he said.

A group of Swat Taliban moved into Buner last week. However, local villagers resisted them, engaging the heavily armed Taliban and killing 20 of them.

“Whatever has happened was a mistake on the part of some people and all us jirga members regret the incident,” the statement, quoting the Buner jirga members, stated. daily times/staff report

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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Saadahmed, I agree with everything that Ron Paul says in the video clip except his saying that the CIA financed the madrassas in Pakistan. I think that the CIA financed the fighters and the tribal leaders who had armed groups engaged in the fight and found sources of weapons. But the madrassas were financed primarily by the Saudis and other Gulf States, such as the UAE. I have said it many times on this forum: US support of Israel is the PRIMARY problem that we have with the Muslim world. All else that has happened in the past 25 years has flowed from that issue. I, personally, agree with Ron Paul that we should stop supporting Israel and become far more isolationist in our foreign policy.

But I still do not accept the blanket blame thrown at the US by many on this forum for all irhabi trouble that Pakistan is experiencing. You heard Ron Paul use the word "blowback" in his talk to describe the problems that the US has caused for itself by some of its actions. Well, Pakistan is experiencing "blowback", big time, for it's pursuit of "strategic depth" through jihad-motivated groups.

so if you believe what you written in first para then how can you deny the blame on US of creating this mess in middle east and pak? jihadies have same objective and demaned since ages to resolve palestine, kashmir and other issues delibrately created in muslim world to leave them behind ecomonically so the unstable economic system will discourage any investment resulting getting their resources and funds they have. and whats happend all arab countries have invested in west, bhutto and king fahd tried to establish muslim funds through BCCI, which very tactfully closed by the west and at that time 7th largest bank in world and was growing.

well its not just the taliban you are sitting here after, but strategic goals are way to different than what people know through controlled media by the neocons

and trust me these jihadies know how to blow nuts off and in history they live in freedom and never accepted defeat, they rather prefer to die instead living as puppy like mush or mr 10%
 
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Arms surrender after Nizam-e-Adl signing: Fazlullah

MINGORA: Once President Asif Ali Zardari approves the Nizam-e-Adl Regulation, the Taliban will surrender, TTP Swat chief Fazlullah said on Saturday. Fazlullah said this during a meeting with Swat peace Jirga head Inamur Rehman. Talking to reporters after the meeting, Rehman said Fazlullah had told him that the Taliban in Swat would not lay down their arms until the president singed the regulation.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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i think enough is enough...people of pakistan now need to realise what usa is doing ..and stand up to them
 
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