Sushma swamped by requests from Pakistanis, so India asks Pakistan to endorse patients for treatment

[Taimoor Khan]

Wow.....just wow, i think people of pakistan are calling sushma swaraj for another kidney transplant right? Cheap my foot....never been to India even once in life and speculates everything..... do search for top notch hospitals, har nukkad or gali mein mil jaega...costly medical services show the lack of facilities a country has, India has alot of such branches of super specialty hospital as a result competition is tough, thus companies tend to lower service costs.....its competition that lowers the prices....if your lower your medicines cost by rs.1, you earn millions over your rival companies.... tell your top notch doctors to use a toilet instead....and do ask them about how many medicine and drug manufacturing companies do India have and how much medicines do pakistan imports from cheap indian market...

Understand what I am saying. Pakistanis go to India because of organ transplant. And because of extreme poverty in India, the organs are much readily available then anywhere in the world.

 

[Margarita]

Understand what I am saying. Pakistanis go to India because of organ transplant. And because of extreme poverty in India, the organs are much readily available then anywhere in the world.

Don't make mockery of yourself, you are from Pakistan, do not forget that.
In Pakistan, Illegal Kidney Trade Flourishes As Victims Await Justice

Aizaz Azam is a young police detective in Pakistan whose brief career has been devoted to busting minor prostitution and gambling rackets and sorting out street brawls.

Now, though, he's slogging away for up to 20 hours a day, working his first major case. It involves a crime so ruthless that Azam says he and his fellow cops feel "strangely unsettled in our souls."

They are pursuing a group of wealthy surgeons and their network of agents who lured impoverished and illiterate Pakistanis from the countryside and imprisoned them for weeks with the intention of removing one of their kidneys in order to sell these for huge profits.

"There's a lot of crime everywhere, no matter where you are. But taking away someone's kidneys? That's very disturbing," says Azam, 28.

The case burst open last month, when Azam and his colleagues raided an apartment block in the city of Rawalpindi, just outside Islamabad, the capital, and found 24 terrified people — 20 men and four women — who were to be operated on at a nearby clinic.

He says some of these prisoners told him they'd been held there for four months. The doors were locked; the windows had bars. Prowling the streets below were "look-outs" making sure no one escaped, says Azam.

Destitute Pakistanis have for years been selling their kidneys in an effort to pay off loan sharks or buy their way out of bonded labor, a form of slavery that has existed in South Asia for centuries.

These "donors" are usually paid at most several thousand dollars, a tiny fraction of the six-figure sums or more paid to the surgeons by the recipients, including rich, foreign "transplant tourists."

Police detective Aizaz Azam (left) stands outside the apartment block where 24 impoverished Pakistanis were imprisoned by a kidney trafficking gang. Barred windows on stairs leading to the apartment kept prisoners from escaping.

Philip Reeves/NPR
Numbers dropped substantially after 2010, when Pakistan's government passed a law criminalizing the buying and selling of kidneys for transplant. But, with a worldwide shortage of organs for donation, the "kidney mafias" appear to be flourishing anew.

"With the relaxation in enforcement, the wide boys, the fly-boys, the get-rich-quick boys, have got back in there and have continued to prey — particularly in Pakistan — on the indentured workers," says Dr. Jeremy Chapman, an Australian professor of renal medicine and prominent campaigner against organ trafficking.

Azam's case is unusual because, he says, most of the 24 prisoners in the apartment had no desire to sell a kidney, and no idea when they arrived in Rawalpindi that their captors planned to bamboozle them into doing so.

"This is the first time the police have got onto this," says Dr. Mirza Naqi Zafar of the Sindh Institute of Urology and Transplantation, which has won worldwide acclaim for offering free, "ethical" organ transplants.

"This is something new, that people have been kidnapped and forced to stay in a place like Rawalpindi, and made to give kidneys at a very small price."

The motive for the crime? "Money and riches," says the doctor.

Profits are huge.

There's a saying in medical circles in Pakistan: You want to know if a surgeon's involved in the illegal organ transplant trade? Just count the engines on his private jet.

A man 'with a very sweet tongue'

Saddi Ahmed spent four weeks locked in the Rawalpindi apartment. He says his fellow prisoners spent much of their time weeping.

Disoriented and far from home, they were too frightened to resist their captors, who told them the Taliban were outside and might attack if they made any noise.

Ahmed says they were also worried that they were somehow complicit in the crime and, being poor and powerless, would wind up being punished for illegally selling their kidneys if they complained.

There is a particular reason for this. "They implicated us," says Ahmed.

Ahmed, 39, is a casual laborer in the building trade. He has four kids between the ages of eight and 15. In a good week, he earns the equivalent of $27. Sometimes there's no work at all.

He says he was hanging around the railway station in the city of Lahore, feeling "helpless and jobless," when a fat, friendly man "with a very sweet tongue" accosted him.

Over a cup of tea, the man offered him a full-time job for $335 a month with a new company in Rawalpindi, 220 miles away.

The man, a covert recruiting agent for the kidney mafia, set one condition, Ahmed says. Ahmed must go with him to Lahore's law courts to sign some travel documents — a "passport" which, according to the man, would enable Ahmed to go by bus to Rawalpindi without being stopped at police checkpoints.

Saddi Ahmed spent four weeks locked in the Rawalpindi apartment. "I told the people in the room, I've been brought here for work. The agents said they had a business. The people said, 'There's no such business. They take away your kidneys here.'"

Philip Reeves/NPR
Ahmed agreed.

The following day, Ahmed says he met the man in the precincts of the courts, where hundreds of lawyers have desks, for what was in reality an entirely fake legal hearing.

The man insisted that Ahmed agree to be filmed, using a mobile phone — saying this was only to enable him to travel. He was ordered to state on-camera that he was going to Rawalpindi to donate a kidney to a relative. Ahmed did so.

"I asked him, 'What's a kidney got to do with getting a job?'" Ahmed recalls. "He said, 'We're just recording this statement so that you won't be stopped by the police. We won't actually take your kidney.'"

When he arrived in Rawalpindi, Ahmed says he was met by a gang member, driven to the apartment block and escorted to the upper floor, where he found several dozen other people.

As the door locked behind him, he realized he'd been duped: "That's when I got frightened. I said to myself, something's wrong. I've been cheated.

"I told the people in the room, I've been brought here for work; the agents said they had a business. The people said, 'There's no such business. They take away your kidneys here.'"

He repeatedly begged his captors to set him free: "I would entreat them, saying I have small kids and that if my kidney is taken out, I will be useless for whole of my life."

For Ahmed, the police raid came just in time. The cops arrived at around 2 a.m. He says he was due to be taken to a clinic to have his kidney removed just a couple of hours later.

Powerful political connections

Four alleged gang members are now behind bars, accused of abduction and imprisoning people. Aizaz Azam, the detective, says prosecutors also plan to bring charges over the fake legal proceedings.

Police say they're searching for four medical doctors, believed to be key players.

The number of victims isn't clear. One of the accused estimates more than 400 people were imprisoned in the apartment at various times, says Azam.

Ahmed says the prisoners were told they'd be paid $2,800 for their organs; it's not clear if the victims ever received this.

Nor is clear for whom their kidneys were to be transplanted.

According to Global Financial Integrity, a U.S.-based research organization that analyzes illicit financial flows, organ trafficking is among the world's top 10 most profitable crimes, with an estimated annual worth of up to $1.2 billion.

Data on this clandestine international racket is sparse and unreliable. Before outlawing organ trafficking in 2010, Pakistan was believed to be the third most popular destination for "transplant tourists," according to local medics and media reports. Evidence suggests the largest number of patients came from Southeast Asia, but the U.S., U.K. and Saudi Arabia were high on the list.

Mounting pressure

Pressure is mounting in Pakistan to further tighten its laws.

Its Supreme Court has taken up the issue at the urging of the head of the Sindh Institute of Urology and Transplantation, where Dr Mirza Naqi Zafar works. "I think this raid we've seen in Rawalpindi is the follow-up from that," he says.

But Pakistan's kidney mafias are known to have powerful political connections and enormous financial resources that they're willing to use to bribe their way out of trouble.

Babar Nawaz Khan, chairman of Pakistan's parliamentary committee on human rights, is trying to strengthen punishment for organ traffickers, who have tried to bribe him to stop his efforts.

Philip Reeves/NPR
This was recently made graphically clear to Babar Nawaz Khan, chairman of Pakistan's parliamentary committee on human rights.

Khan is lobbying for a list of reforms, including life imprisonment for illicit organ trading, health checks for foreigners seeking Pakistani visas and a nationwide organ donor program linked to ID cards.

He shows NPR texts on his mobile phone, saying they're from the kidney mafia urging him to halt his campaign. He keeps them in a file labeled "Offer."

"They offered me 100 million," says Khan. He was so disgusted he didn't bother to ask the currency. In dollars, that's nearly $1 million. He says while out shopping in the market, he was also accosted by a mysterious man making the same offer.

"I said to him, 'You're lucky you're talking to me in a public place, where I cannot hit you,'" Khan says.

At 30, Khan is Pakistan's youngest parliamentarian. He and his family know the dangers of public life in Pakistan. His father, a former government minister, was murdered in 2008.

Yet Khan says he intends to persevere until Pakistan's poor and uneducated are no longer vulnerable to human predators using power, money and deception to acquire their victims' only assets — their body parts.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Difference is

India is poor but we have world class space tech, decent medical facility, decent educational institutes (although some institutes are world class), world class entertainment industry, decent automobile sector, decent railways, Growing Economy

While,

Pakistan is poor and it has poor space tech, poor medical facilities, poor educational institutes, poor entertainment industry, poor automobile sector, poor railways, poor economy.

I hope you understand the difference and you can see which country is in the right path.

You dont know a jackshit about Pakistan sunnyboy. Our living standards far exceed you poor Indians. Our education standards are much much higher then even in UK. As for medical treatments, even I prefer to be seen by a Pakistani doctor because I trust them more then the ones in UK. Our infrastructure is far superior then India. This has been confirmed to me by Indians themselves who visit Pakistan.

Try to let your countrymen defecate in dignity first before start comparing with Paksitan.

 

[Margarita]

You dont know a jackshit about Pakistan sunnyboy. Our living standards far exceed you poor Indians. Our education standards are much much higher then even in UK. As for medical treatments, even I prefer to be seen by a Pakistani doctor because I trust them more then the ones in UK. Our infrastructure is far superior then India. This has been confirmed to me by Indians themselves who visit Pakistan.

Try to let your countrymen defecate in dignity first before start comparing with Paksitan.

Should we start comparing statistics ?

HDI, per capita, literacy, school dropout, universities in top lists, medical tourism numbers, per capita car consumption, per capita electricity consumption, Airport, metro, railways, roadways, foreign tourist numbers,etc ? Should we talk numbers?

You are all gas and no fact

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Don't make mockery of yourself, you are from Pakistan, do not forget that.
In Pakistan, Illegal Kidney Trade Flourishes As Victims Await Justice

Aizaz Azam is a young police detective in Pakistan whose brief career has been devoted to busting minor prostitution and gambling rackets and sorting out street brawls.

Now, though, he's slogging away for up to 20 hours a day, working his first major case. It involves a crime so ruthless that Azam says he and his fellow cops feel "strangely unsettled in our souls."

They are pursuing a group of wealthy surgeons and their network of agents who lured impoverished and illiterate Pakistanis from the countryside and imprisoned them for weeks with the intention of removing one of their kidneys in order to sell these for huge profits.

"There's a lot of crime everywhere, no matter where you are. But taking away someone's kidneys? That's very disturbing," says Azam, 28.

The case burst open last month, when Azam and his colleagues raided an apartment block in the city of Rawalpindi, just outside Islamabad, the capital, and found 24 terrified people — 20 men and four women — who were to be operated on at a nearby clinic.

He says some of these prisoners told him they'd been held there for four months. The doors were locked; the windows had bars. Prowling the streets below were "look-outs" making sure no one escaped, says Azam.

Destitute Pakistanis have for years been selling their kidneys in an effort to pay off loan sharks or buy their way out of bonded labor, a form of slavery that has existed in South Asia for centuries.

These "donors" are usually paid at most several thousand dollars, a tiny fraction of the six-figure sums or more paid to the surgeons by the recipients, including rich, foreign "transplant tourists."

Police detective Aizaz Azam (left) stands outside the apartment block where 24 impoverished Pakistanis were imprisoned by a kidney trafficking gang. Barred windows on stairs leading to the apartment kept prisoners from escaping.

Philip Reeves/NPR
Numbers dropped substantially after 2010, when Pakistan's government passed a law criminalizing the buying and selling of kidneys for transplant. But, with a worldwide shortage of organs for donation, the "kidney mafias" appear to be flourishing anew.

"With the relaxation in enforcement, the wide boys, the fly-boys, the get-rich-quick boys, have got back in there and have continued to prey — particularly in Pakistan — on the indentured workers," says Dr. Jeremy Chapman, an Australian professor of renal medicine and prominent campaigner against organ trafficking.

Azam's case is unusual because, he says, most of the 24 prisoners in the apartment had no desire to sell a kidney, and no idea when they arrived in Rawalpindi that their captors planned to bamboozle them into doing so.

"This is the first time the police have got onto this," says Dr. Mirza Naqi Zafar of the Sindh Institute of Urology and Transplantation, which has won worldwide acclaim for offering free, "ethical" organ transplants.

"This is something new, that people have been kidnapped and forced to stay in a place like Rawalpindi, and made to give kidneys at a very small price."

The motive for the crime? "Money and riches," says the doctor.

Profits are huge.

There's a saying in medical circles in Pakistan: You want to know if a surgeon's involved in the illegal organ transplant trade? Just count the engines on his private jet.

A man 'with a very sweet tongue'

Saddi Ahmed spent four weeks locked in the Rawalpindi apartment. He says his fellow prisoners spent much of their time weeping.

Disoriented and far from home, they were too frightened to resist their captors, who told them the Taliban were outside and might attack if they made any noise.

Ahmed says they were also worried that they were somehow complicit in the crime and, being poor and powerless, would wind up being punished for illegally selling their kidneys if they complained.

There is a particular reason for this. "They implicated us," says Ahmed.

Ahmed, 39, is a casual laborer in the building trade. He has four kids between the ages of eight and 15. In a good week, he earns the equivalent of $27. Sometimes there's no work at all.

He says he was hanging around the railway station in the city of Lahore, feeling "helpless and jobless," when a fat, friendly man "with a very sweet tongue" accosted him.

Over a cup of tea, the man offered him a full-time job for $335 a month with a new company in Rawalpindi, 220 miles away.

The man, a covert recruiting agent for the kidney mafia, set one condition, Ahmed says. Ahmed must go with him to Lahore's law courts to sign some travel documents — a "passport" which, according to the man, would enable Ahmed to go by bus to Rawalpindi without being stopped at police checkpoints.

Saddi Ahmed spent four weeks locked in the Rawalpindi apartment. "I told the people in the room, I've been brought here for work. The agents said they had a business. The people said, 'There's no such business. They take away your kidneys here.'"

Philip Reeves/NPR
Ahmed agreed.

The following day, Ahmed says he met the man in the precincts of the courts, where hundreds of lawyers have desks, for what was in reality an entirely fake legal hearing.

The man insisted that Ahmed agree to be filmed, using a mobile phone — saying this was only to enable him to travel. He was ordered to state on-camera that he was going to Rawalpindi to donate a kidney to a relative. Ahmed did so.

"I asked him, 'What's a kidney got to do with getting a job?'" Ahmed recalls. "He said, 'We're just recording this statement so that you won't be stopped by the police. We won't actually take your kidney.'"

When he arrived in Rawalpindi, Ahmed says he was met by a gang member, driven to the apartment block and escorted to the upper floor, where he found several dozen other people.

As the door locked behind him, he realized he'd been duped: "That's when I got frightened. I said to myself, something's wrong. I've been cheated.

"I told the people in the room, I've been brought here for work; the agents said they had a business. The people said, 'There's no such business. They take away your kidneys here.'"

He repeatedly begged his captors to set him free: "I would entreat them, saying I have small kids and that if my kidney is taken out, I will be useless for whole of my life."

For Ahmed, the police raid came just in time. The cops arrived at around 2 a.m. He says he was due to be taken to a clinic to have his kidney removed just a couple of hours later.

Powerful political connections

Four alleged gang members are now behind bars, accused of abduction and imprisoning people. Aizaz Azam, the detective, says prosecutors also plan to bring charges over the fake legal proceedings.

Police say they're searching for four medical doctors, believed to be key players.

The number of victims isn't clear. One of the accused estimates more than 400 people were imprisoned in the apartment at various times, says Azam.

Ahmed says the prisoners were told they'd be paid $2,800 for their organs; it's not clear if the victims ever received this.

Nor is clear for whom their kidneys were to be transplanted.

According to Global Financial Integrity, a U.S.-based research organization that analyzes illicit financial flows, organ trafficking is among the world's top 10 most profitable crimes, with an estimated annual worth of up to $1.2 billion.

Data on this clandestine international racket is sparse and unreliable. Before outlawing organ trafficking in 2010, Pakistan was believed to be the third most popular destination for "transplant tourists," according to local medics and media reports. Evidence suggests the largest number of patients came from Southeast Asia, but the U.S., U.K. and Saudi Arabia were high on the list.

Mounting pressure

Pressure is mounting in Pakistan to further tighten its laws.

Its Supreme Court has taken up the issue at the urging of the head of the Sindh Institute of Urology and Transplantation, where Dr Mirza Naqi Zafar works. "I think this raid we've seen in Rawalpindi is the follow-up from that," he says.

But Pakistan's kidney mafias are known to have powerful political connections and enormous financial resources that they're willing to use to bribe their way out of trouble.

Babar Nawaz Khan, chairman of Pakistan's parliamentary committee on human rights, is trying to strengthen punishment for organ traffickers, who have tried to bribe him to stop his efforts.

Philip Reeves/NPR
This was recently made graphically clear to Babar Nawaz Khan, chairman of Pakistan's parliamentary committee on human rights.

Khan is lobbying for a list of reforms, including life imprisonment for illicit organ trading, health checks for foreigners seeking Pakistani visas and a nationwide organ donor program linked to ID cards.

He shows NPR texts on his mobile phone, saying they're from the kidney mafia urging him to halt his campaign. He keeps them in a file labeled "Offer."

"They offered me 100 million," says Khan. He was so disgusted he didn't bother to ask the currency. In dollars, that's nearly $1 million. He says while out shopping in the market, he was also accosted by a mysterious man making the same offer.

"I said to him, 'You're lucky you're talking to me in a public place, where I cannot hit you,'" Khan says.

At 30, Khan is Pakistan's youngest parliamentarian. He and his family know the dangers of public life in Pakistan. His father, a former government minister, was murdered in 2008.

Yet Khan says he intends to persevere until Pakistan's poor and uneducated are no longer vulnerable to human predators using power, money and deception to acquire their victims' only assets — their body parts.

We never claimed to be supa power. But sunshine understand this, you are billion plus poor, dirt poor with people living under sub human conditions eating rats as the only source of protein in their diet. More poor , means more chances of finding the organ which matches the patient hence India is the destination of organ transplantation.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Should we start comparing statistics ?

HDI, per capita, literacy, school dropout, universities in top lists, medical tourism numbers, per capita car consumption, per capita electricity consumption, Airport, metro, railways, roadways, foreign tourist numbers,etc ? Should we talk numbers?

You are all gas and no fact

As I said:

Try to let your countrymen defecate in dignity first before start comparing with Paksitan.

lol when you are cocking up and fudging your GDP figures, the rest of the pointers become meaningless. The ground reality is, India is a third world country reeking with extreme poverty and organ harvesting is one example of such human exploitation in India.

 

[jaatki]

Understand what I am saying. Pakistanis go to India because of organ transplant. And because of extreme poverty in India, the organs are much readily available then anywhere in the world.

Cant it be like, cause of more daily accidents....becuase in india, organs are not readily available, if someone is dying(his or her families decision to help someone is considered), there are more accidents happening here in india than transplants happening in pakistan or India combined...... so keep things clear, people donate organs, and some not all take money....and yes treating someone is humanity, Indians dont hate Pakistanis, instead we hate your thinking(expansionist behaviour), always trying to hurt india and bla bla, you won't believe me, but i was so happy to see made in pakistan gym gloves selling on Amazon.... i immediately ordered them(cause i know quality will be top notch)....

 

[B2B]

Piss off, I know what I am talking about. You are a cheap destination for those who cant get the organs they need in their own countries.

No you are not because you don't know a word about organ donation procedures or its policies.
If you claim to be the "genius" that you are not , answer these medically ?

1. What are the types of organ donation possible in sick patients ?
2. Who can be potential donors ?
3. What organs can be donated ?
4. What is the estimated workup ?
5. What is the schedule and followup ?
6. What are potential complications ?
7. Which institutions are legally allowed to undergo the procedure ( in India ) ?
8. What are the legal procedures associated with it ?
9. What are the alternatives ?
10. What is the evidence associated on RCT's ?

So "geni-a s s" , this is too much for you to chew.

PS : World still does not have the ways to transplant human brain, if it were i know where to find the first patient.

 

[Haris Mansoor]

height of everything...but even if I take it positively, how selfish people you are that you dont donate organs to your own people...may be to save your son, you wont give up you own kidney but will look up to India to see if there is any donor...! pathetic ...come back to the ground level reality, you dont have the facilities and the person in need wont see its India or US when his son is dying and he cant get the required treatment in his own country which he can afford!

The issue is, Pakistan doesn't have many top specialist in organ transplantation field, mainly because they don't get enough organ transplantation experience due to lack of organ donation. so if someone is ready to donate his/her organ to someone close to him/her, they prefer to do it through experienced doctors in the field in India.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

No you are not because you don't know a word about organ donation procedures or its policies.
If you claim to be the "genius" that you are not , answer these medically ?

1. What are the types of organ donation possible in sick patients ?
2. Who can be potential donors ?
3. What organs can be donated ?
4. What is the estimated workup ?
5. What is the schedule and followup ?
6. What are potential complications ?
7. Which institutions are legally allowed to undergo the procedure ( in India ) ?
8. What are the legal procedures associated with it ?
9. What are the alternatives ?
10. What is the evidence associated on RCT's ?

So "geni-a s s" , this is too much for you to chew.

PS : World still does not have the ways to transplant human brain, if it were i know where to find the first patient.

Smarty pants, understand first and foremost, what my argument is. India, becuase of its extreme poverty with huge population is the prefered destination for those suffer from organ failures and need transplants. Organ harvesting is a huge in India.

And I know human brains can be transplanted, its was one of your kind trying to be smartarse, i just put em it his place.

 

[ghameed]

Smarty pants, understand first and foremost, what my argument is. India, becuase of its extreme poverty with huge population is the prefered destination for those suffer from organ failures and need transplants. Organ harvesting is a huge in India.

And I know human brains can be transplanted, its was one of your kind trying to be smartarse, i just put em it his place.

Dingleberry taimmor, first and foremost , your argument is flawed . That's what everyone in this thread has been trying to tell you from the beginning.Organ harvesting for profit is illegal and strictly punishable in India . The minuscule percentage of transplants that are illegally happening in India happen so in the black market . India actually has a national organiZation that oversees transplants in India . Please go through the website mentioned below , maybe you'll become less of the utter ignoramus that you have proved to be with regard to organ transplantation.

http://notto.nic.in/index.htm

 

[assassin123]

LOL. We got top notch facilities and doctors who can piss over Indian docs and facilities any day. Even when I visit Pakistan, I book my appointments to get thorough checkup with Pakistani docs as I trust them more then ones in UK.

I am not very clued up with medical science but I believe organ transplant is just not a simple case of finding someone randomly and get organ just like that. It has to match. Your "donating" analogy doesn't hold much ground on medical terms. With you 1 billion people, with crushing poverty, there are many people who are willing to give, not donate, organs for cash.

I.

Shame on you for having the state of mind to write these type of comments.
Any organ donor is sacrificing a part of himself so that somebody else can live a better life
And who told you that pakistanis are coming here just to replace organs
In my knowledge they are coming here to recieving specialist treatments which are not available in Pakistan
India is a growing medical tourism hub. And Indian doctor's are very much sought after in the West,when i go into any reputed hospitals here I have seen many westerners coming here for treatment. most of them are from Gulf countries.
Instead of spreading hate on everything you find train your doctor's well so that they don't have to go to another country for treatment.

 

[punit]

Understand what I am saying. Pakistanis go to India because of organ transplant. And because of extreme poverty in India, the organs are much readily available then anywhere in the world.

with a thriving Organ trafficking market in pakistan .. Pakistanis should get it done it in their country itself. or the Organ selling is reserved for their gulf masters ?

 

[desiHindu]

I don't remember Indians begging Pakistani people to come here for treatment.
So, please stop coming and go to the "world class" hospitals you have in your own country. Please spare us.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Cant it be like, cause of more daily accidents....becuase in india, organs are not readily available, if someone is dying(his or her families decision to help someone is considered), there are more accidents happening here in india than transplants happening in pakistan or India combined...... so keep things clear, people donate organs, and some not all take money....and yes treating someone is humanity, Indians dont hate Pakistanis, instead we hate your thinking(expansionist behaviour), always trying to hurt india and bla bla, you won't believe me, but i was so happy to see made in pakistan gym gloves selling on Amazon.... i immediately ordered them(cause i know quality will be top notch)....

I have no problems with patients seeking medical help where ever they can. Hundreds of Afghans cross over into Pakistan to get medical care and majority of them just turn up without the means to pay the bill. In Chaman recently when Afghan forces killed our citizens, when we closed our border, we still allowed the Afghan patients to pass through.

BUT, the Indians being Indians, start to take this as some sort of d!ck measuring contest. Suggesting as if Pakistan is some out of sub sahara country with no medical facilities. Thats just simply laughable and these lot needs to be put in their place.