Surgical or no Surgical strike? a difficult way to agreed upon.

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

I don't think Khalistan is a viable option for now as well as forseeable future.
India has made a lot of things easy in Kashmir..for Pakistan to exploit.
All efforts should be concentrated there.

Kashmir, my brother, is the capstone... when the stone is removed the feable indian arch breaks...

Kashmiris are your blood and brothers... how can you not support them.

It is the blood of the Kashmiris that shall remove this capstone... all your great people have to do is stand with your kin, your family...the Kashmiris!

 

[Rajeev_Anand]

Most important is Pakistan ready for Kashmir, soon this bluff will be off dont worry.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Kashmir, my brother, is the capstone... when the stone is removed the feable indian arch breaks...

Kashmiris are your blood and brothers... how can you not support them.

It is the blood of the Kashmiris that shall remove this capstone... all your great people have to do is stand with your kin, your family...the Kashmiris!

Why don't you go back to the kitchen and tend to your work? And take your sententious platitudes with you. Kashmiris have nothing to do with Punjabis; the majority here are Punjabis.

 

[I S I]

That's what i was thinking.

Why don't you go back to the kitchen and tend to your work? And take your sententious platitudes with you. Kashmiris have nothing to do with Punjabis; the majority here are Punjabis.

Tujhe mirchi lagi to Chinese kya karein?

 

[Pappu Yaar]

Why don't you go back to the kitchen and tend to your work? And take your sententious platitudes with you. Kashmiris have nothing to do with Punjabis; the majority here are Punjabis.

Sorry and feeling sad for your lack of knowledge let me tell you many Punjabis originally belongs to Kashmir and since DOGRA raj they are migrating from Jammu and Kashmir but their love for motherlands never will die.

 

[Meengla]

India just lowered the cost of engaging in Kashmir for Pakistan.

That is correct.

Shortly after 9/11, Pakistan decided against the use of 'non state actors' as a cheaper tool of foreign policy. The detente between Musharraf-Vajpayee and then Musharraf-Manmohan, by 2005, was a practical and huge concession given by Pakistan in the hope that somewhere, down the road, there would be some semi-solution. The semi-solution did come in the form of a sensible agreement on Kashmir between Musharraf and Manmohan: Effectively, the Kashmir issue was to be 'shelved' and LoC = IB was to be at least a temp solution.

The agreement was more unpopular in Pakistan than in India. Attempts were made on Musharraf's life by Kashmir-related entities.

There has been much in between then and now. But the major cause of the current escalation is that a significant portion of IoK is again rising against India. That is not trivial. Even some Indian journalists manage to accept that.

Coupled with the geostrategic environment, the CPEC possibilities, the intense desire to 'contain China, the aggressive govt in India, the strategic, albeit low key, backing by Uncle Sam... India is hellbent on destabilizing Pakistan right now--at a time when Pakistan would VERY MUCH have preferred to have kept the tensions as low as possible.

And it should be obvious to all by now: India is going to wait till it is strong enough to really openly strike Pakistan so long as the Modi mindset persists. And strike it will! And, so, with reluctance, I have to agree with the OP's strategy: Pakistan should get out of the Musharraf-Manmohan detente now--India already has.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I would like to see what form this "offensive defense" will take. For example, is Khalistan is back on the cards?

Certainly not. The Sikhs are a bigger enemy of Pakistan then the indians are. They committed a holocaust against us in the 2 weeks following 14th of August 1947.

Most important is Pakistan ready for Kashmir, soon this bluff will be off dont worry.

Just like the bluff of Pakistan becoming a nuclear weapons state and of the inability of india to do anything to us after mumbai 2008 despite being more than 7× bigger than Pakistan and having the entire backing of the West & Russia

 

[Perseus]

Surgical Strike.

 

[pakdefender]

I think modi has again done an own goal with the farce about 'surgical' strike , they cannot back up the claims they made , they have shut out the UN and media from Indian occupied Kashmir [ The head of the UN has said that it is unable to operate in Indian occupied Kashmir due to non co-operation by india ]

Pakistan on the other hand took the journalists to the LoC and showed them the situation on ground and how india's claims are utter nonsense.

This is an important point , a nation that fudges facts , makes big claims and lives off on false narratives cannot make a reliable partner , this is a point that Pakistan should drive home to the powers that be in the current world standings

 

[django]

There is nothing can any Indian type here to convince a pakistani otherwise.
So you believe what you think and let us believe what we believe we did across LOC.

In other words your argument is "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", truth be told GHQ must beat your nonsensical claims which have not an iota of evidence backing them, instead contradictory statements is all you have to offer.Kudos

 

[Bad Guy]

In other words your argument is "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", truth be told GHQ must beat your nonsensical claims which have not an iota of evidence backing them, instead contradictory statements is all you have to offer.Kudos

The Video!

 

[volatile]

This surgical farce has proven one thing for sure that even if Pakistan 'actually' starts exporting terror in India as a matter of state policy,India has no testicular fortitude to hurt Pakistan in the real sense.At best,we'll have more such invisible attacks and diplomatic outcry of little benifit.

If fear of retaliation was stopping Pakistan from fueling militancy in India,then this whole episode should give us all the more confidence to give it a go with all the might at our disposal.

Pakistan has to learn a lesson in this whole saga.It's time to move towards the offensive defense.Gone should be the days when our soldiers were fighting Indian nurtured proxies.It's time to create an atmosphere of fear and uncertanity in the ranks of Indian Army.Pakistan has to start supporting the Kashmiri struggle for freedom by whichever means possible.

No fear of retalition from India has the same effect now.They've already shown us what can they do and what will they do.Topi drama is all that they can muster.

This drama is going to make India cringe in the longer run.

Time for our security agencies,govt. and relevant stake holders to re-evaluate the Indian threat.

India just lowered the cost of engaging in Kashmir for Pakistan.

This is the worst step for Pakistan and it gave the Kashmiri movement militancy and terrorism label and Indian forces will have legitimacy to kill innocent civilians . Best thing Pakistan can do make a case of Extremism (Just because the Kashmiris ) are not talked will lift weapon and make inroads for ISIS bla bla bla .... .Pakistan only policy is to make itself financial stable country and make example .Hindu baniya will bow down

 

[Laozi]

Shortly after 9/11, Pakistan decided against the use of 'non state actors' as a cheaper tool of foreign policy.

So What do you call the Gentlemen, who drove Russian away and Held Kashmir under their control in 1990s

 

[Al-Taïr]

So, India publicly said that it has conducted a surgical strike across the LOC and targeted terrorist launch pads (India made it clear that the strikes were against terrorist and not against PA). Also India stated that India didn’t violate anything as the strikes were in Pakistan held Kashmir which India claims and not across the international border.

By that logic, should we not allow mujahidins to enter Occupied kashmir, as it is part of pakistan.??

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

That is correct.

Shortly after 9/11, Pakistan decided against the use of 'non state actors' as a cheaper tool of foreign policy. The detente between Musharraf-Vajpayee and then Musharraf-Manmohan, by 2005, was a practical and huge concession given by Pakistan in the hope that somewhere, down the road, there would be some semi-solution. The semi-solution did come in the form of a sensible agreement on Kashmir between Musharraf and Manmohan: Effectively, the Kashmir issue was to be 'shelved' and LoC = IB was to be at least a temp solution.

The agreement was more unpopular in Pakistan than in India. Attempts were made on Musharraf's life by Kashmir-related entities.

There has been much in between then and now. But the major cause of the current escalation is that a significant portion of IoK is again rising against India. That is not trivial. Even some Indian journalists manage to accept that.

Coupled with the geostrategic environment, the CPEC possibilities, the intense desire to 'contain China, the aggressive govt in India, the strategic, albeit low key, backing by Uncle Sam... India is hellbent on destabilizing Pakistan right now--at a time when Pakistan would VERY MUCH have preferred to have kept the tensions as low as possible.

And it should be obvious to all by now: India is going to wait till it is strong enough to really openly strike Pakistan so long as the Modi mindset persists. And strike it will! And, so, with reluctance, I have to agree with the OP's strategy: Pakistan should get out of the Musharraf-Manmohan detente now--India already has.

Agreed with everything you have said apart from the last part. Pakistan has now reached a critical stage whereby there is no turning back. India will now NEVER EVER be in a position to launch a full scale invasion/attack of Pakistan. Pakistan is getting more advanced, powerful & stronger each day. CPEC, other less talked about intensive projects and China have all but ensured this. In the coming decades, Pakistan will take it's place on the world stage and become a major force in all aspects. We will reach the dreams the founding fathers of Pakistan had envisaged.