Surgical or no Surgical strike? a difficult way to agreed upon.

[Rajeev_Anand]

I think we must proceed with evidence. It could be embarrassing for Pakistan.

Why so early bring them to such a level that they will not be able to retract, because level lies is such that even they do not know whether they are lying or telling truth.

How so? Something is wrong with you boy. I tell you what shows inability. Having 18 Indian soldiers sent to Ganga for express reincarnation and then coming up with "surgical fart" as a riposte.

Breached? If that was the measure, Indian border (going by Indian government) is breached more often then whore in Mumbai by Pak based "terrorists". What does that show about India.

And can you at least show one flag that shows your a Ganga Deshi or with roots there.

That is the difference between the army of two countries one sends Bhade ke tatto for blown up and feels bravado and terrorist activities becomes morale booster to the army while IA goes that too on the highest alert completes the mission and make a call that we did it.

Which enemy did Modi bring down on his knees? Does modi consider his own soldier, soldier tht is captured by Pakistan army, his enemy? Bcoz, right now, only tht captured soldier must be on his knees, begging for mercy from Pak army...And which proof are u talking abt, after which pak army top brass should resign? Plz enlighten us...

Now compare India with Pakistan they dont have the heart for even one soldier while Indian have returned 93000. Release else a very dangerous game will start and your generaals know IA effectiveness.

 

[Allen Iverson]

I didn't cry he was asking for my opinion ... and may I ask why did you open the same 100th thread to just reply me?

I didn't open the thread.. I'm a mere viewer who happened to see all these cry babies crying out regarding the surgical strikes.. I would say move on chaps.. This is childish..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Now compare India with Pakistan they dont have the heart for even one soldier while Indian have returned 93000. Release else a very dangerous game will start and your generaals know IA effectiveness.

So atleast u admit, tht its ur soldier, right now, tht must be begging for mercy right now? Other than him, ... Which enemy has Modi brought down on kneees, without a shot being fired? Also, what are those proofs, after which Pak army top brass should resign? Plz enlighten us on those proofs?
Regd release of soldier...well...yeah u really believe tht the same day, which India claimed ro have conducted surgical strikes, he crossed over inadvertently? Lol...how believable...

 

[nomi007]

 

[Indus Pakistan]

completes the mission

What mission is this. You don't mean the "surjikal fart" do you?

IA goes that too on the highest alert

The only time that saw indian Army on highest alert was when it faced a enemy 1 to 1 - the Chinese in 1962. And you know what happened, all Indian soldiers ran down of the Himalayas to the Ganga and hid underneath their womens Sarees.

The only time Indian Army has apeard to prevail is when it got 1 to 20 advantage and even then needed allies to defeat tiny Pakistan. You know the 1972 slugfest involving Bangla Mukhtos plus Indian Army versus a encircled force of the PA.

 

[Blue Marlin]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37531900

See the video

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

So, India publicly said that it has conducted a surgical strike across the LOC and targeted terrorist launch pads (India made it clear that the strikes were against terrorist and not against PA). Also India stated that India didn’t violate anything as the strikes were in Pakistan held Kashmir which India claims and not across the international border. India briefed the P5 and envoys of 22 countries about the strikes. There has been zero escalation and zero international repercussions or condemnation until now.

Now I was just wondering that with a $100 billion modernization program in the coming decade the conventional disparity between the Indian and Pakistani armed forces will only grow, especially in the case of the two air forces. With procurement of predator drones, S400 and Rafael etc some believe that the disparity would be like that of the two Navies now. So, what if in future India says it will strike the terrorist training camps or launch pads from air across LOC periodically and is more than happy to fight and give a bloody nose to PA due to it’s massive conventional superiority.

What are the options for Pakistan/ISI then?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ikes-Syed-Akbaruddin/articleshow/54622876.cms

The above source is indian so it immediately becomes fake, a lie and propaganda due to the track record of the indian media. Pakistan has for many years/decades had counter plans for ALL indian military eventualities. These have been very effective. That is why india could not attack us after mumbai 2008 despite being at least 7× bigger than us and having the full backing of the entire West and Russia. indian military high command is fully aware of Pakistan's REAL capabilities.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The BBC video exposes the farce. Next expect Indian claim of "full scale invasion".

> One sodier take 5 steps across the LOC fires in the air and take 5 steps back. Invasion over.

 

[Blue Marlin]

The BBC video exposes the farce. Next expect Indian claim of "full scale invasion".

> One sodier take 5 steps across the LOC fires in the air and take 5 steps back. Invasion over.

im sure theres a fence there that looks like this

so it not much much of taking 5 steps forward

 

[Bravo Lion]

I think, “ Sir G Kal” but that “ Kal” word not arrived yet.

 

[Morse_Code]

I didn't open the thread.. I'm a mere viewer who happened to see all these cry babies crying out regarding the surgical strikes.. I would say move on chaps.. This is childish..

I had moved on but you people keep on replying and dragging me back

 

[SrNair]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37531900

See the video

PA is hell bent to prove that there is nothing happened in there .
14 soldiers died and their body is scattered in there,it was the General first response now he said that nothing happend ,Quite believable.

Those terrorists launch pads were isolated not nearer to PA camps ,that is why this mission was successful .
And PA will remove if there is any damaged objects in there to prove their stance.

im sure theres a fence there that looks like this

so it not much much of taking 5 steps forward

It seems our institutions dont want to insult PA .They already had the footage of attack and they already said that they will release if that want .It would be sensible to them to not provoke GoI to do that

 

[Indus Pakistan]

so it not much much of taking 5 steps forward

Fences are erected by beings (human) - my experiance in life thus far is any hurdle humans erect can by by sufficient ingenuity be undone. That applies to computer network defences and hackers.

Those are Indian fences. The electric supply can be switched off. Then ingress can be made and you will be surprised how much this can be useful -

Besides ever wondered how can India accuse Pakistan of cross border terrorism when apparently there is a fence there? If a fence was entirely waterproof nobody ever manage to cross these things.

The fact is along the LOC there is always low level firing, shallow intrusions or even mortar fire. If you have spoken to family members who have people living near the LOC you will find their lives are blighted by firing and sometimes civilians even get killed. You hear news reports about this. This is not restricted to one side, both sides at squad level take things in to their own hand. When things flare up local commanders step in to control the situation from escalating. This is life on the LOC. When tensions arise like recently then there is more chance of this happening.

However to characterise these regular events as "surgical strike" or "full scale invasion" is rubbish. To get that recognition would require large scale attack - maybe over company level strength by special forces and even then without significant artillery support they would not be able to penetrate the LOC. This would be even less so given both sides were in state of high alert. The other possibility is air-drops but both sides are about equally matched in tech., and such a mission would be compromised very fast.

All this is about politics. Not military. PM Modi won on platform of Mr Tough Guy. Now under his watch the Uri incident happened and all his supporters expect something hard, something fast. Knowing that he had to feed something despite his military telling him that things could very easily go crazy. So he came up with rather clever move. Give the public what they want. Surgical strike. Whose going to check? Pakistan is going to deny it but Indian media will carry the story for few days and public will have been placated. Win win without a bullet being fired. Modi supporters don't need forensic evidence. They already have the making of Bollywodd movie "Surgical Strike" with who knows "Surgical Strike II" coming out after.

On another note I 1,300 miles away on other side of Indian/Bangla border there is the - Cow strike?

 

[SHAH07]

it is not 'in case'. Pakistanis will keep trying different types of bothering India. They cannot compete in business, science, development, education and ethics. So the next best thing is to try to bother India with whatever means. Such is the nature of impotent jealousy.

India has to keep finding new answers for the new nuisances that Pakistan will come up with

He said another thing and your reply is total rubbish

 

[Blue Marlin]

PA is hell bent to prove that there is nothing happened in there .
14 soldiers died and their body is scattered in there,it was the General first response now he said that nothing happend ,Quite believable.

Those terrorists launch pads were isolated not nearer to PA camps ,that is why this mission was successful .
And PA will remove if there is any damaged objects in there to prove their stance.



It seems our institutions dont want to insult PA .They already had the footage of attack and they already said that they will release if that want .It would be sensible to them to not provoke GoI to do that

great, so where your proof?
do you think the indian army will let the bbc go to the indian side see for them selfs

oh and you say there is footage, dont by shy and do share.

Fences are erected by beings (human) - my experiance in life thus far is any hurdle humans erect can by by sufficient ingenuity be undone. That applies to computer network defences and hackers.

Those are Indian fences. The electric supply can be switched off. Then ingress can be made and you will be surprised how much this can be useful -

Besides ever wondered how can India accuse Pakistan of cross border terrorism when apparently there is a fence there? If a fence was entirely waterproof nobody ever manage to cross these things.

The fact is along the LOC there is always low level firing, shallow intrusions or even mortar fire. If you have spoken to family members who have people living near the LOC you will find their lives are blighted by firing and sometimes civilians even get killed. You hear news reports about this. This is not restricted to one side, both sides at squad level take things in to their own hand. When things flare up local commanders step in to control the situation from escalating. This is life on the LOC. When tensions arise like recently then there is more chance of this happening.

However to characterise these regular events as "surgical strike" or "full scale invasion" is rubbish. To get that recognition would require large scale attack - maybe over company level strength by special forces and even then without significant artillery support they would not be able to penetrate the LOC. This would be even less so given both sides were in state of high alert. The other possibility is air-drops but both sides are about equally matched in tech., and such a mission would be compromised very fast.

All this is about politics. Not military. PM Modi won on platform of Mr Tough Guy. Now under his watch the Uri incident happened and all his supporters expect something hard, something fast. Knowing that he had to feed something despite his military telling him that things could very easily go crazy. So he came up with rather clever move. Give the public what they want. Surgical strike. Whose going to check? Pakistan is going to deny it but Indian media will carry the story for few days and public will have been placated. Win win without a bullet being fired. Modi supporters don't need forensic evidence. They already have the making of Bollywodd movie "Surgical Strike" with who knows "Surgical Strike II" coming out after.

On another note I 1,300 miles away on other side of Indian/Bangla border there is the - Cow strike?

bloody hell, so any tom d!ck and harry can cross the border and all you need its bolt cutters