Suicide attack in Rawalpindi - December 24

[abbasniazi]

Infact two kids died, one a 6 years old girl and the second the 17 years old boy who was brain washed by the actual killers and surrendered his innocent wisdom to whatever they told him.

Ah...we are losing on both sides, his parents may also had thought of his bright future, his education, his job, his marriage, his kids, their boy taking care of them in the old age, that he'd give shoulder to the dead bodies of his parents, but nothing as such happened.

Someone snatched not only his innocense but also his life.

We need to hunt down those who are bringing double loss to us, now this killing of the girl and the boy has not only doubled our loss but infact these type of incidences serve as a force multiplier, when his family will see his body they'll not think what he did was wrong, rather they'd blame the govt. who has failed to secure their child from falling in the wrong hands.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Sir Ji any news on your cousin.

yeah.....the bugger is safe. Alhamdolillah. He was there, but not close to the gate.


as for this recent incident --- what is happening is, the policemen are on alert. They are averting major bloodshed. But how can you stop suicide bomber. This is a very serious situation we are dealing with here. To them, death toll isnt the only factor; They also seek psychological warfare. Bombing in Multan was example of that. "Nobody is safe anywhere" mentality is what they seek. They will always find excuse to justify murder of civilians.


I dont know for how long these "cells" are being based in the cities. They are not able to achieve their maximum objectives, but just the fact they are willing to explode themselves --they can still kill a few policemen and nearby people.

They're using 7-10 kg of explosives with ball bearings. According to news, these bombers are coming from Orakzai & Kurram Agencies.

There needs to be some kind of neighbourhood watch system, and people need to continue to report suspicious people. The kids exploding themselves are just pawns. Whoever is brainwashing, training and arming these corrupted youth need to be caught and made major example of. Public execution of most humiliating kind.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

It is very easy to stop suicide bombings---someone just need to have the ballz and the courage to do it---.

Just pack the body of the dead suicide bober in a PIG / WILD BOARS CARCASS and hang it outside the city square with the suicides bombers face sticking out of the rear end---put up a sign alongside it stating---after your death this is the bride that you will take to your graves.

Do it a few times---put it on the tv and let us see how many volunteers come forward to meet the 72 hooris.

 

[duhastmish]

GOD SAVE PAKISTAN.

I think - some seriosu steps need to be taken , harsh which might be disliked by a big bunch of people.

the blame game and lack of responsibility is big reason. who should be blamed ???? if there are people with responsibility and they realize they will have to face the consequence for failing short of their responsibility . their work ethic will be different,

Its very easy - for people like ume to - sit in comfort of our living room with some music running, with jack Danial in our hand, and talking how pathetic the situation is while munching the kebob . and talking failure of country in - politics and civil system , law enforecment, security wise.

and realising we cant do more than this because its not our duty.

the elite of the nation have to take responsibility because the weaker one are just blinded by their so called faith and mis-understanding. serious reform in policy are required- you can fill your pockets later first let the nation get on track and then steal some money.
----anyways till they wake up and pioneer the nation, may god save some life. the onus is onto him----

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

I listened and watched a documentary where the taliban were getting the suicide bombers ready and prepped for the job---then I saw the video on the mumbai bombings and heard the telephonic conversation between the controller and the terrorist.

From what I know and have learnt, I can tell you that once you fall under this hypnotic trans, there is no coming out of it in one piece. You are taken in lock stock and barrell. The only time that you can put a stop to it is attach the physical being of a to be suicide bomber to the utmost ***** that one can imagine---an utmost ***** that a muslim youth can imagine.

You want to go blow yourself up---how would you like to rest in eternity with the innards of a pig / wild boars wrapped around what is left of you---the same experiment would be tried on all the trainers that are caught and all the team leaders of taliban---.

Ruthless measures need to be taken against ruthless times.

 

[Bushy]

Hi,

It is very easy to stop suicide bombings---someone just need to have the ballz and the courage to do it---.

Just pack the body of the dead suicide bober in a PIG / WILD BOARS CARCASS and hang it outside the city square with the suicides bombers face sticking out of the rear end---put up a sign alongside it stating---after your death this is the bride that you will take to your graves.

Do it a few times---put it on the tv and let us see how many volunteers come forward to meet the 72 hooris.

Your name suggests you are a Muslim. And association with a pig is the most abhorring idea for any Musalmaan, right? And that is why you put forth such an idea to dissuade the suicide bombers, that once the prospective ones see such degradation of their could be mortal remains, they will chose not to go for suicide bombings, right?

Well, I have a very different take on your idea.

Tell me this:

Do you think the Israeli soldiers/military is right in using the organs from the dead Palestinian terrorists? (After all, they are not degrading the remains of a Muslimeen, rather making a good use of it by helping other humans live better)

Does any society/religion in this world advocate the right to force organ donation?

Does any law in this world take away the right of ownership of the mortal remains of a person from his/her relatives? (Think of the parents of that suicide bomber. They might end up in eternal depression or even end up committing suicide after bearing first the death, then such humiliation of their 'lakht-e-jigar')

If yes, then you are absolutely right, and the government should not waste a minute in tapping this idea.

However, if not, then what right do you think anyone (apart from the parents) in this world has to do whatever one wants to do with the dead body of a suicide bomber? And degrading it by shoving it inside a pig? I am a Hindu, with no particular disgust for a pig, and even I feel like puking at the thought of it. The first thing that would come to anyone's mind would be disgust for those who dishonor the dead like that, even before anyone can think that it was a suicide bomber.

From all those who have been caught, it is so clear they are brainwashed kids. They are not the terrorists, but themselves are victims of terrorism. And Islam says the dead body should be buried at the earliest, and if possible, with proper respect for a human (washing etc.). So by doing something like what you are suggesting, people will end up degrading those that are victims of terrorism, and not the actual proponents of terrorism.

Will you try some other way to stop such terrorism, or will you just take the easy way out by degrading the remains of a dead, though deluded, fellow Muslim?

'Ya know what I think? I think that your idea will prove to be completely counterproductive. It will give a very strong ground to the terrorism factories in justifying their acts. It will make those Talibanis look very just in their cause by showing "how those people treat a fellow Muslim (Their stand on blowing away unIslamic people), even if he belongs to the other side of the warring parties". I think the real terrorists will simply start using even more powerful bombs, so that no recognizable trace of the dead remains of a suicide bomber remains after the bombing.

All this will be just the primary effects of such an act.

Secondarily, think of the innocent kids that will look at such bodies, hung out in the open and with no censorship on TV. These scared kids looking at something so grotesque, may not become a suicide bomber for sure, but yes, their mental growth will get so stunted that they will grow up to become nothing more than an object of ridicule. Heck, even the adults looking at something akin to that would develop inappreciable mentality.

I fail to understand how other fellow Muslims can thank you for introducing such an idea.

Sorry man, but you are advocating on bringing the beast out of humans. Well, it is already there in the form of the Talibanis that video tape their cutting peoples' heads off out in the open while savoring each and every moment of it.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

if you asked me even 1 year ago, i would say no --we should not sink down to their level; we should let the courts do justice.

But i agree, we should be ruthless with an enemy that has wanton disregard for human life.


we should not bury them in Pakistan, not allow Islamic arrangements for their burial. They should be submerged in pig fat and be drowned on bottom of indian ocean


we should do what the Turks do. Sensationalize the media when reporting terrorist attacks. Show every man woman and child (they all had names, a life, and loved ones) whose lives were cut short due to cowardice.



does this physically help us stop a suicide bomber? Maybe not. No technology can. But Pakistanis are all on high alert now, even the police are very serious. Civilians can do their part by reporting suspicious people.



and also -- END ALL ILLEGAL LAND ENCROACHMENTS!!!

 

[MastanKhan]

Bushy,

I will keep my end of discussion to the pakistani issue.

As far as the issue I am talking about--we need to do something shocking in return to bring them down from the HOLIER THAN THOU PERCH.

You see, regardless of what the taliban would say---there would be no young recruits any more---nobody would want to be buried for eternity with a pig carcass---and where do you think the taliban leadership would end up at---in the same spot with the suicide bombers remains---.

 

[Bushy]

Bushy,

I will keep my end of discussion to the pakistani issue.

As far as the issue I am talking about--we need to do something shocking in return to bring them down from the HOLIER THAN THOU PERCH.

You see, regardless of what the taliban would say---there would be no young recruits any more---nobody would want to be buried for eternity with a pig carcass---and where do you think the taliban leadership would end up at---in the same spot with the suicide bombers remains---.

Mastan, not for a moment did I doubt your integrity, or the well justified intensity of your anger at the Talibanis. My post was in relation to the modus operandi you suggested to take on the Taliban ideology. I very much disagree with that. And I do say you are very right in pointing out that it is their 'holier than thou' thinking that helps them recruit the kids we see blowing themselves every other day.

While I was away for an hour, I spent my time thinking about what could really be done to defeat the Talibanis. And only in the context of Pakistan.

You see, it is extremely difficult to defeat your enemy on their ground. You have to bring them on your own turf to weaken them. Those who blow themselves every day, are kids. Very prone to glamor. Courage is glamorized in every society (rightly so), but in case of Talibanis, they associate courage with massacre and suicide. On the contrary, in civilized societies, courage is associated with forgiveness and honesty. For ex: "It takes a man to forgive". Or, "It takes a man to live than die".

The Talibanis, on the other hand, actually spread the attitude of "It takes a man to kill many", or, "What is a man who is afraid to die?". And those teenagers full of raging hormones fall prey to such attitude. Then, there is an acute need and desire for sex in teenage, again owing to the hormones, and the Talibanis capitalize on that by convincing them of the hoories in jannat.

Now that we know that the Talibanis' main weapon is their shoving down their demented ideologies in the kids' minds, to defeat them, we will have to glamorize our cause and affect those kids with other things such as righteousness, and relationship of courage with living a long life and with an attitude of forgiveness.

Remember the Radio Mullah, we could use the same technique to spread the right Islamic ideology all around, using the Radio and TV network, and reach where our forces cannot.

Even further in the cause would be building of numerous Madrassas to spread the right ideology with the help of those Mullahs who know how to use the words skillfully and attract the kids to walk the right path.

These are some of the very basic techniques I have thought of to take on the Talibans on a broader level. Though we badly need the forces to clear the area manifested by the Talibanis at this time, I strongly think we will need such Madrassas and Mullahs to make sure that after our forces clear a particular area of Taliban, that area is completely cleansed of such ideologies to prevent any recurrence of such ideologies.

P.S. All this is in relation to the kids/men that voluntarily go for suicide attacks. However, in recent times, the two cases I read about, the kids were drugged and forced by the Talibanis to carry out the suicide attack. In such cases, affecting the kids minds will have little bearing on the number of suicide attacks.

 

[Naradmuni]

But i agree, we should be ruthless with an enemy that has wanton disregard for human life.



They should be submerged in pig fat and be drowned on bottom of indian ocean

Sir, this is what Indian forces do to the Lashkar, Hizbul Mujahiddin, and jaish terrorists who have no regard for human life. They attack mosques and temples. Suicide attack on JnK assembly killing innocent school going children. It would be interesting to see how you define these people. Terrorists who should be soaked in pig fat, or Holly warriors carrying out a holy war. Your un diplomatic reply would be appreciated and would clear many things here.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi Bushy,

Well, these ttp are like the assasins of Hassan ibn e Sabah---only a dedicated effort by the tartars was effective---when they raided---they killed one and all and nothing was left standing---no soul left alive---.

This insurgency could have been only contained in itsa earlier phase---it is out of hand now---only extremely radical action needs to be taken---and extra-ordinary measures would contain the suicide bomber.