Suicide attack at Bajaur hospital kills four

[Dubious]

Here goes the civil liberty and Freedom of religion.You seems to have forgotten all you preached in post #103.

I beg your pardon? quote please I wrote that hrs ago....

Islam doesn't allow it either,(so does all the religion).Do I need to remind you concept of Blasphemy itself is a impediment for freedom of speech and in turn free press..

The very word itself came from Christians:

The word "blasphemy" came via Middle English blasfemen and Old French blasfemer and Late Latin blasphemare from Greek βλασφημέω, from βλάπτω = "I injure" and φήμη = "reputation". From blasphemare also came Old French blasmer, from which English "blame" came. Blasphemy: 'from Gk. blasphemia "a speaking ill, impious speech, slander," from blasphemein "to speak evil of."'[8] "In the sense of speaking evil of God this word is found in Ps. 74:18; Isa. 52:5; Rom. 2:24; Rev. 13:1, 6; 16:9, 11, 21. It denotes also any kind of calumny, or evil-speaking, or abuse (1 Kings 21:10 LXX; Acts 13:45; 18:6, etc.).

2ndly, even the West has a censor law....everything comes with responsibilities...you allow freedom, then there is misuse, and hence a responsibility to ensure there is no misuse....Not

Save these arguments for ignorant masses.All the judging in these world are done by humans.If what you have said is correct,Why Salman Rushdie was called a Blasphemer and called for his death.In an ideal world it should be the job of thw God.

And DO we live in an IDEAL world?

That will be an ideal excuse for Muslims to start killing each other.

I see like all the concepts before you do not understand even THIS concept...Learn something before trying to sound smart.... Either ask learn...

Nothing more than an excuse to avoid answering my arguments.I know enough about the Islam.What I said is not an accusation its a fact.If you want to prove me wrong,Give me real life examples.

And you throwing random stuff is also not answering anything...A discussion is where ideas are shared not accusations like you...You have provided NO SOURCE to what you accuses JUST YOUR THOUGHTS.....

Since you have made up your mind everything looks like an excuse to you....Come back when you have some knowledge of a topic and please stop trolling

 

[Shardul.....the lion]

Rest in peace....

 

[Azazel]

I beg your pardon? quote please I wrote that hrs ago....

I quoted that with my post.And I am quoting it again.

Quran CLEARLY shows ONLY GOD will judge...Nowhere it says HUMANS to judge...

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/social...jaur-hospital-kills-four-8.html#ixzz2R1mk1eVV

The very word itself came from Christians:

Doesn't matter who came with it.It was nothing more than an excuse to oppress the religious minorities.And most of the Western countries got rid of laws regarding Blasphemy.

2ndly, even the West has a censor law....everything comes with responsibilities...you allow freedom, then there is misuse, and hence a responsibility to ensure there is no misuse....Not

Censoring are mostly limited to things like exceptional cases like Obscenity,Child Pornography,Threats of violence and speech are based on intellectual property rights.Not to things concerning religion or Blasphemy.

And DO we live in an IDEAL world?

It depends on what you mean by ideal world.For me there is only world, and that's the world I am living right now.

I see like all the concepts before you do not understand even THIS concept...Learn something before trying to sound smart.... Either ask learn...

Hmm,You seem to be the one who don't understand the concept at all .Go and learn some history.Learn how Muslim history is littered with wars to claim the title of Caliph.Starting with the battle of Karbala.Often time two or more caliphs existed all claiming same title.Today Muslims are so diverse no one can claim the title by forming a consensus.

And you throwing random stuff is also not answering anything...A discussion is where ideas are shared not accusations like you...You have provided NO SOURCE to what you accuses JUST YOUR THOUGHTS.....

Since you have made up your mind everything looks like an excuse to you....Come back when you have some knowledge of a topic and please stop trolling

You are contradicting yourself,My thoughts are my ideas.Its perception that makes you believe its an accusation.By saying Islam is not in agreement with liberal ideals I believe,Then its just a fact.If you think I am leveling an accusation by stating its your problem not mine.

 

[Dubious]

I quoted that with my post.And I am quoting it again.

taking out of context yet it still holds true...You asked about Islam, I told about Islam...FROM ITS SOURCE the Quran...simple

Doesn't matter who came with it.It was nothing more than an excuse to oppress the religious minorities.And most of the Western countries got rid of laws regarding Blasphemy.

ok

Censoring are mostly limited to things like exceptional cases like Obscenity,Child Pornography,Threats of violence and speech are based on intellectual property rights.Not to things concerning religion or Blasphemy.

everyone has their own criteria....A tharki would say dont censor anything....yet that is his thinking... Pedophile will say the same...likewise everyone has their own criteria....Why should you and I follow Western criteria?

It depends on what you mean by ideal world.For me there is only world, and that's the world I am living right now.

You asked why was so and so called a blasphemer not my right to judge others or pass comment on their doings...

Hmm,You seem to be the one who don't understand the concept at all .Go and learn some history.Learn how Muslim history is littered with wars to claim the title of Caliph.Starting with the battle of Karbala.Often time two or more caliphs existed all claiming same title.Today Muslims are so diverse no one can claim the title by forming a consensus.

again you talk about what people do then what the law says....Western Crusaders did none the best, Mahabharat and what not is also an equal example....

Again you do not know the Khalifah system either....YOU do not self proclaim yourself Khalifah....Please go read something ...stop trolling please!!

You are contradicting yourself, My thoughts are my ideas.

good

By saying Islam is not in agreement with liberal ideals I believe,Then its just a fact.If you think I am leveling an accusation by stating its your problem not mine.

You asked I answered...I gave you a why...you never answered my questions....which btw, never mind ....troll on

 

[Zarvan]

This is what I hate about religion.It takes away the Individualism of a person.No religion has the right to take away the right of the individual to freedom and self-realization.Marriage is one of the key aspect to this.It is strictly a personal issue.Religion has no role in saying whom any one should marry.My parents also had an interreligious marriage.Why should rest of the world care about this.No one has any right to decide what faith the couple should follow after marriage.its their choice alone.

Mr Islam is a seen way of life and it covers all aspects of life sir it tells about every thing sir and it is from god sir we have to follow every order of it and it tells us who we can marry and who we cannot Islam has all the role

and amadis are not Muslims so they can't be allowed to perform hajj

 

[Juice]

Perfect Example of Apophenia ( Yes google that term ) . Let me give you one more example of Apophenia

Some Dangerous facts about bread .

1. More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread users.
2. More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.
3. Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water to eat begged for bread after as little as two days.

Get the Drift ??

A classic!

 

[EXPERIMENT]

Well, I am sorry many people are brainwashed ....this is because many prefer going to a peer and asking about stuff rather than opening the quran and reading it themselves!

Women rights in Islam far more than ANY RELIGION has given!

Why should religion determine what rights anyone should have?

 

[liontk]

My condolences to the victims of these heinous attack and hopefully we hit back these terroriste and their demented ideology!

 

[haviZsultan]

The terrorists have now become so callous that they are attacking hospitals and schools. Is there no end in sight to the insanity that pervades Pakistani society today. The terrorists must be defeated yet this insurgency is showing no sign of dissipating. Maybe the education system is at fault and needs a rehaul. Maybe we are creating terrorists by teaching distorted history, for example the hate taught to Hindus in school.

 

[Zarvan]

Oh,give me a break.I don't take orders from imaginary deities.Those who does are schizophrenic.

GOD is the reality those who. deny him have lost their brain but they will know it when they face death

 

[kaykay]

what the hell they will get from attacking a Hospital

 

[Zarvan]

The terrorists have now become so callous that they are attacking hospitals and schools. Is there no end in sight to the insanity that pervades Pakistani society today. The terrorists must be defeated yet this insurgency is showing no sign of dissipating. Maybe the education system is at fault and needs a rehaul. Maybe we are creating terrorists by teaching distorted history, for example the hate taught to Hindus in school.

the mass murder of Muslims by Hindus is fact and known to everyone and which we have to teach

 

[RKhan]

The terrorists have now become so callous that they are attacking hospitals and schools. Is there no end in sight to the insanity that pervades Pakistani society today. The terrorists must be defeated yet this insurgency is showing no sign of dissipating. Maybe the education system is at fault and needs a rehaul. Maybe we are creating terrorists by teaching distorted history, for example the hate taught to Hindus in school.

Hopefully in a generation or 2 we will be rid of these extremists.

the mass murder of Muslims by Hindus is fact and known to everyone and which we have to teach

Hmmmmmm I recall the Mughals slaughtering 30,000 civilians of a Rajput city, yet I looked in my cousins's textbooks. No mention of that.

 

[Zarvan]

Hopefully in a generation or 2 we will be rid of these extremists.



Hmmmmmm I recall the Mughals slaughtering 30,000 civilians of a Rajput city, yet I looked in my cousins's textbooks. No mention of that.

mughals are never considered heros of Islam their idiotic things are mostly known

 

[RKhan]

mughals are never considered heros of Islam their idiotic things are mostly known

Name one "muslim" king/conqueror of the subcontinent who did not commit a massacre.