'Sufferings Of Kashmiris Cannot Be Overlooked | Nawaz Sharif

[Sashan]

NS had to do this lip service lest he will be blamed for ignoring the "core" issue. Having stated that - what suffering would be my question especially to the Kashmiris in India(not the Hindu pandits who got thrown out of Kashmir for whom I have great sympathy) - These Kashmiris are the pampered lot who does not even file income taxes and live on freebies given by the central government. Why these Kashmiris need to be treated separately while the rest of the people belonging to more than 500 princely states and provinces integrated into Pakistan, India and Bangladesh? And still if they cause trouble then they deserve to be given a hard kick especially the ones in the Valley.

 

[Jade]

UN Resolutions have expired and Shimla agreement have replaced them. Now why is NS crying before UN, what next crying before OIC?

 

[SQ8]

And yet the EU mission found it fit to state that situation is worse in Pak Occupied Kashmir and Northern areas

The 2007 report did not compare the state as being worse than IoK. A lot of it talks of the effects after the 2005 earthquake and where it does praise India is in implementation of democratic norms.

Regrets, however, that Pakistan has consistently failed to fulfil its obligations to introduce
meaningful and representative democratic structures in AJK; notes in particular the
continuing absence of Kashmiri representation in the Pakistan National Assembly, the
fact that AJK is governed through the Ministry of Kashmir Affairs in Islamabad, that
Pakistan officials dominate the Kashmir Council and that the Chief Secretary, the
Inspector-General of Police, the Accountant-General and the Finance Secretary are all
from Pakistan; disapproves of the provision in the 1974 Interim Constitution which
forbids any political activity that is not in accordance with the doctrine of Jammu and
Kashmir as part of Pakistan and obliges any candidate for a parliamentary seat in AJK to
sign a declaration of loyalty to that effect; is concerned that the Gilgit-Baltistan region
enjoys no form of democratic representation whatsoever;

Followed by

Recognises that Pakistan finds itself in a particularly complex situation with pressure
from many sources; nevertheless:

- deeply regrets that the lack of a sufficient political will to address basic needs
provision, political participation and the rule of law in AJK has left women there in a
desperate situation following the earthquake;

notes the approval of the Protection of Women Bill to reform the Sharia-based
Hudood decrees on adultery and rape as a positive step in ensuring better protection of
women's rights in Pakistan, and appreciates the commitment shown by President
Musharraf and reformist parliamentarians in pursuing these amendments despite
attempts to derail them; stresses, however, that it is pre-eminently clear that Pakistan
needs to do more to live up to its commitments in the human rights field;

The red parts are NOT specific to AJK.

Further.

Expresses concern regarding the lack of freedom of expression in AJK and reports of
torture and mistreatment, of discrimination against refugees from Indian-administered
Jammu and Kashmir and of corruption amongst government officials, and calls on the
Pakistani Government to ensure that the people of AJK can exercise their fundamental
civil and political rights in an environment free from coercion and fear;

The ONLY pertinent so called "worse" condition claimed by you.


When it comes to India, you've done the usual eyewash

Notes that Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir enjoys a unique status under Article
370 of the Indian Constitution, granting it greater autonomy than other states in the
Union; is pleased to see recent moves in Jammu and Kashmir to strengthen democracy
(as evidenced by the 75% turnout in recent local elections), and the moves by Prime
Minister Singh to reopen dialogue with the APHC; however, notes that there remain
deficiencies in practice with regard to human rights and direct democracy, as evidenced
by, for example, the fact that all candidates standing for office in Jammu and Kashmir (as
in other states) have to sign an oath of loyalty to the Constitution of the State of Jammu
and Kashmir which upholds the integrity of India; urges India's National Human Rights
Commission (NHRC) to exercise its full mandate with regard to any suspected or
documented violations and, to lend it even greater credibility, urges the NHRC to make
good the absence of any human rights professionals on its governing board; looks
forward to enhanced progress in this area, and to positive outcomes from the new laws on
child labour and on women and violence; notes with concern reports that large numbers
of Kashmiris are detained without due process; deplores documented human rights
violations by the armed forces of India, especially if the incidents of killing and rape
continue in an atmosphere of impunity; notes with concern that the NHRC has no power
under its statutes to investigate human rights abuses perpetrated by the Indian security
forces; is nevertheless encouraged by the NHRC's recommendation that the army
nominate senior military officers to oversee the implementation of fundamental human
rights and the rule of law in their military units, which is being observed; notes the
commitment given by the government of India in September 2005 that human rights
violations will not be tolerated; and urges the Lok Sabha to consider amending the
Human Rights Protection Act in order to allow the NHRC to investigate independently
allegations of abuse by members of the armed forces;

Regardless of the "do not evil" facade put up by the Pakistani establishment, they failed to recognize that despite these critiques there were still red points on Indian terror tactics of Raping Kashmiri women as a primary tool to suppress the population.. regardless of other "democratic" niceties.

But then again, people are rarely objective .. are they.

Look it up.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+REPORT+A6-2007-0158+0+DOC+PDF+V0//EN

 

[HRK]

UN Resolutions have expired and Shimla agreement have replaced them. Now why is NS crying before UN, what next crying before OIC?

My dear was their any expiry date mention on that resolutions .....???

and by which International Law an agreement between two countries can supersede an Internationa resolution passed at the floor of United Nation

pls share that clause of International Law ...... or any verdict from International Court or Apex Court of any member country of United Nation ...... it will be a new learning for me ......

 

[HRK]

I think as a Public Service Announcement, From Now On I will post Un Resolutions on Kashmir in every kashmir thread, so people knows that which party has exhibited gross Inaction

http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...lebiscite-un-security-council-resolution.html

Thnx for public services dear we regards your thankless efforts ...... I hope you would enlighten us, which responsibility out of 15 which Indian agreed to fulfill in regards of Kashmir has fulfilled till to-date...... ???


UN link : http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/46-51/Chapter%208/46-51_08-16-The%20India-Pakistan%20question.pdf

 

[karan.1970]

The 2007 report did not compare the state as being worse than IoK. A lot of it talks of the effects after the 2005 earthquake and where it does praise India is in implementation of democratic norms.



Followed by



The red parts are NOT specific to AJK.

Further.


The ONLY pertinent so called "worse" condition claimed by you.


When it comes to India, you've done the usual eyewash



Regardless of the "do not evil" facade put up by the Pakistani establishment, they failed to recognize that despite these critiques there were still red points on Indian terror tactics of Raping Kashmiri women as a primary tool to suppress the population.. regardless of other "democratic" niceties.

But then again, people are rarely objective .. are they.

Look it up.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+REPORT+A6-2007-0158+0+DOC+PDF+V0//EN

First of all, I have not commented that their is nothing wrong in the Indian state of J&K. Secondly, you missed out some additional points from the report basis which the EU reports seems to be leaning a little bit towards the conditions in the Indian side..

Compliments India on its efforts for the socio-economic development of Jammu and Kashmir through special packages for the state and its emphasis on job creation and measures to promote tourism in Jammu and Kashmir, and proposes an examination of
how the (forthcoming) EU-India partnership could help with the creation of new skillsbased jobs, especially for women and young people; encourages the European Union to support the initiatives of local NGOs to set up projects for capacity-building for women, both for production and marketing; believes that the European Union could address equal opportunity concerns by increasing trade in products which traditionally provide livelihoods for women, such as textiles and handicrafts, and facilitating trade in services in sectors which employ women; recommends that economic relations between the European Union and Pakistan be strengthened in a similar manner;

plus squarely blaming terrorism in the region on Pakistan based terrorist groups

Recognises that, without an end to terrorism, there can be no real progress towards a political solution or in improving the economic situation of the population throughout Jammu and Kashmir; notes that, while there has been a steady decline in the number of victims of terrorist attacks over the past five years, the activities of constantly mutating AJK-based terrorist groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and Harakat ul-Mujahedeen have caused hundreds of deaths in Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir and beyond

Deplores documented human rights violations by Pakistan including in Gilgit and Baltistan, where allegedly violent riots took place in 2004, and the all too frequent incidents of terror and violence perpetrated by armed militant groups; urges Pakistan to
revisit its concepts of the fundamental rights of freedom of expression, freedom of association and freedom of religious practice in AJK and Gilgit and Baltistan, and notes with concern allegations by human rights associations such as Amnesty International of torture and detention without due process;

strongly urges all parties involved to do all they can to address these violations; welcomes Pakistan's public commitments to curb infiltration across the LoC by militants operating out of territory under its control, but believes it must take much stronger and more effective measures;

And do remember, that it was Pakistan and not India that tried hard to block this report and rejected it once it got published.. Kind of gives you an indicator on which side came out looking not so good...

btw, don't know what eyewash have I done on the India side.

Pakistan's claim rejected - The Hindu

Pak dismisses EU report on Kashmir - Times Of India

 

[SQ8]

First of all, I have not commented that their is nothing wrong in the Indian state of J&K. Secondly, you missed out some additional points from the report basis which the EU reports seems to be leaning a little bit towards the conditions in the Indian side..



plus squarely blaming terrorism in the region on Pakistan based terrorist groups




And do remember, that it was Pakistan and not India that tried hard to block this report and rejected it once it got published.. Kind of gives you an indicator on which side came out looking not so good...

btw, don't know what eyewash have I done on the India side.

Pakistan's claim rejected - The Hindu

Pak dismisses EU report on Kashmir - Times Of India

And you are doing it again, painting a better looking India despite the clear points showing the use of state terror tactics such as Rape and murder. The only difference between your interpretation and mine is that I have the guts to admit that my state does the wrong doing without giving it a "but we are better".. while you could not resist the same even with glaring points showing the atrocities your state indulges in. See no evil, hear no evil for India; which is clearly expected.