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Bull said:
There is only good news emanting from China..the world media is going ga ga over the chineese stories.So if they listen to only media news then they should have ranked China very lowly much low than India but they didnt.That means they have other sources too other than the common media.




are they????




being a staff???

Ahsan have u worked somewhwre?
If u have, do u think a staff you get to manipulate and cone statistics to meet your desired levels? arent there ither staffs from other nations also present.

or is that everybody is fed up with Pakistan that they all got together for pakistan bashing.Then u can expect to see pakistan as uno in the next study.

Good news, I agree, but in these so called thousands of articles (as pointed out by sid) published by today's media where bias and propaganda is all around, they probably found more anti-chinese articles than the ones reporting what really is happening. With tens of thousands of articles, these guys are bound to find a lot of biased and propaganda articles.

Are they?? Yes, CIA's data is mostly from 2000-2004.

No I haven't worked anywhere, in grade 12 right now and hoping to get my first job soon. My point was when finding these "thousands" of articles were searched for, the Indian staff member got articles about India himself and then gave it to the rest of their crew.
 
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Now this is some good stuff from DailyTimes for the first times.

EDITORIAL: Failed state? What failed state?
The American journal Foreign Policy has drawn up its annual list of what it calls “failed states” and has placed Pakistan ninth in the top 10 failed states. Just as Pakistan was claiming it had come out of its economic crisis and was about to begin its return to full-fledged democracy with another general election, it has plunged from 34th position last year to 9th this year. Pakistan was told after 1998 that it was a failed or failing state because it didn’t have money to buy its imports for more than a few weeks. But after 9/11, it got out of a foreign policy bind that was dragging it down and is no longer an isolated state awaiting its doom. Needless to say, it is always insulting to hear that the state you are living in is doomed to “failure”.

Being placed next to some countries in Africa whose population would migrate to Pakistan given a chance is not a pleasant experience. We have joined the top ten — Sudan, Congo, Ivory Coast, Iraq, Zimbabwe, Chad, Somalia, Haiti, Pakistan, and Afghanistan — from our earlier more palatable position because of Pakistan’s “inability to police the tribal areas, the devastating earthquake of October 2005 and the rise in ethnic tensions”. When we were 34th last year the tribal areas in Pakistan were still “uncontrolled” — in fact they have been uncontrolled since the very inception of Pakistan — and ethnic violence peaked in the first half of the 1990s and is no longer there today. As for the 2005 earthquake — incidentally the biggest in the history of the region — Pakistan has done 100 times better than the states that tried to cope with the tsunami earlier the same year — and, might one say, better than the US after Katrina.

The journal has listed 12 factors as determinants of its study. They are: “mounting demographic pressures; massive movement of refugees and internally displaced peoples; legacy of vengeance-seeking group grievance; chronic and sustained human flight; uneven economic development along group lines; sharp and/or severe economic decline; criminalisation and de-legitimisation of the state; progressive deterioration of public services; widespread violation of human rights; security apparatus as state within a state; rise of factionalised elites; and intervention of other states or external actors”. These elements are present in many Third World states that are listed below Pakistan and there will be no dearth of experts in Pakistan who will prove the list wrong.

The “failed state” list should not become an additional factor in our general mood of pessimism, nor should we go into our familiar mode of denial linking the list to a Jewish conspiracy and accusing America of actually wishing the Muslims dead. Like many other states much lower down on the list, Pakistan has its problems, the foremost being its inability to sustain a democratic functional order. It has some “permanent” flaws of the state whose removal it has been postponing so far. These perennial defects may have nothing to do with an absence of democracy but might impinge on the attention of the political parties when they return to power in Islamabad without General Pervez Musharraf. They pertain to the nature of Pakistani religious-nationalism, its dependence on a conflictual model of relations to fulfil its revisionist objectives, and the vast territories where the writ of the state has not been applied in 59 years.

Pakistan’s largest province Balochistan, forming over 40 percent of the state’s territory, is without a proper policing system. The Penal Code and the Code of Criminal Procedure are in place but there are no police stations in 95 percent of the territory and therefore no proper system to redress the grievances of the citizens deprived of their rights. The next “buffer area” that Pakistan has retained includes the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), an area of about 27,000 square miles with a population of over three million living in seven “agencies” the size of one-third of the NWFP but without any law that could give them recourse to the Supreme Court of Pakistan or the parliament in Islamabad. The president rules there through the Frontier Crimes Regulations (FCR) framed on the jirga-based concept of tribal revenge. Add to this the 850-kilometre long katcha area in Sindh, from Kashmore to the sea, where the dacoits live and which remains “no go” for the police, and you have more than half of Pakistan without proper writ of the law.

Pakistan has reached the point of a necessary strategic paradigm shift in its history. A conflictual model no longer suits its territorial dispensation, given its outlets to the adjacent regions. It no longer needs “strategic depth” to confront anyone; instead, it needs to become alive to the prospects of transit trade across its “narrow” territory. But before that it must exercise control over the territory it owns. Far from ending up as a failed state, it may be the only state in the region with a bright future if — and this is the big IF — the army and political parties can effect functional and stable rules of the game.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\05\04\story_4-5-2006_pg3_1
 
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Ahsan_R said:
Good news, I agree, but in these so called thousands of articles (as pointed out by sid) published by today's media where bias and propaganda is all around, they probably found more anti-chinese articles than the ones reporting what really is happening. With tens of thousands of articles, these guys are bound to find a lot of biased and propaganda articles..

Cant argue against that because niether you or me can prove it,so i shall give it to you.



Ahsan_R said:
No I haven't worked anywhere, in grade 12 right now and hoping to get my first job soon. My point was when finding these "thousands" of articles were searched for, the Indian staff member got articles about India himself and then gave it to the rest of their crew.

12th grade...aaj se bade bhayya bulana aur zyada zid mat karna...warnaaa
 
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See what they should do is they should go to the countries that they are judging and then write their reports. Like I have said many times, you can't judge a country based on articles and what you hear in the news and the media. Go to the country, see the reality on ground, its nothing like the perception that you hear in the news and the media. And also, don't only go to the villages and slums but also the main cities where there are industries, housing areas where thousands of very rich people live who earn their money in their homeland, etc..
 
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this shows the stamina of Pakistan, the mental strength, the ability to do sustained hard work and come out triumphant. i had been hearing about pakistan getting failed since times immemorial, but Pakistan is doing following while its failing:
1. Nuclear research,
2. Ballistic sciences
3. 4th generation fighters.
4. Armor development
5. what not and what not.
 
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tahirkhely said:
this shows the stamina of Pakistan, the mental strength, the ability to do sustained hard work and come out triumphant. i had been hearing about pakistan getting failed since times immemorial, but Pakistan is doing following while its failing:
1. Nuclear research,
2. Ballistic sciences
3. 4th generation fighters.
4. Armor development
5. what not and what not.

A country is not judged to be failed or nearly failed by looking at their military poweresss alone.

Speak of social index,fianncial index..lets discuss those for a change.
 
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Neo said:
No, I don't agree Jana and Raptor.

Ahsan has shown why we shouldn't take it serious.

Don't delete the thread, its shows how hypocryte the Indian propaganda machine is. :rolleyes:

they are alwys at best on this front and i tell u they had also not spared this time cuz this topic is posted by them everywhere only today i was edditing some news at a site and there i also found the same topic and comments by fake names:)
 
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I know, they're having a great field day indeed!
Its all over the international forums. :rolleyes:
 
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Well obviously some people are going to rejoice this report done by a no-name group. But let them do whatever they want. Them being happy doesn't remove the question marks over the credibilty of report and whether it is done the right way, are the people making this report being fair to everyone, and whether this report is biased or not?
 
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Pakistan not a failed state: US official


By Our Reporter
ISLAMABAD, May 5: A senior US official said on Saturday that Pakistan could not be called a failed state because its economy was booming and performing well on all fronts and had the potential of strengthening further in the days ahead.

“On the basis of my interaction with Pakistan and the American business community, I can say with confidence that Pakistan is the opposite of a failed state,” US Under-Secretary for International Trade Franklin L. Lavin told a press briefing here.

Mr Lavin said the country was facing some challenges but it had the “capability, leadership and necessary policies” to keep up its economic momentum.

Disagreeing with a report released by a US-based journal rating Pakistan a failed state, Mr Lavin said that although he had respect for the freedom of press in his country the views expressed in magazines had nothing to do with official US policy.

Answering a question, he said the US administration was in the process of introducing legislation in the Congress to pave the way for establishment of economic opportunities zones (EOZs) in the tribal areas of Pakistan.

Mr Lavin told a questioner that Pakistan’s exports enjoyed open access to the United States. He pointed out that Pakistan’s exports to the US had grown from $2.9 billion in 2004 to $3.3 billion in 2005, showing a 10 per cent increase. Last year, he said, the United States had a trade deficit of $2 billion with Pakistan.

He said the Pakistan-US economic and trade ties were moving in the right direction.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/05/06/top11.htm
 
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who cares about the "UN official" we will go with the no name group :rolleyes:
 
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ISLAMABAD (May 06 2006): Visiting US Under-secretary of State for International Trade and Commerce Franklin Lavin on Friday refused to comment on the issue of Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) gas pipeline project prior to a meeting with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, scheduled to be held on Saturday.

"I will not comment on the IPI project. I do not want to make public what I would discuss with the prime minister, who was also my boss in the Citibank," he said, while replying to questions at a press conference at the US Embassy.

The questioners had sought his comments over the commitment made by Iranian President Ahmadinejad in Baku with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz that the decision on IPI gas pipeline would be taken within 90 days.

When asked, since one of the US magazines has ranked Pakistan as a failed state, but he was stressing American companies to explore investment opportunities here, Lavin said, he did not read the article but media was independent in the United States. However, the views expressed in the article have nothing to do with the official policy of his government.

"On the basis of my interaction with Pakistan and the American business community, I can say with confidence that Pakistan is opposite to the failed state," he said, adding that Pakistan's economy was booming and performing well on all fronts.

He said that there were some challenges, but Pakistan has the capability, leadership and necessary policies to keep the economy moving ahead.

"Pakistan's economic growth is among the top nations of the world and it is serving the people very well," he said.

Lavin, whose visit was the follow up of US President Bush's visit, said that his country had contributed a lot for the rehabilitation of earthquake victims, which somehow changed perception about America, but admitted that there were anti-America sentiments in the Pakistani society.

He said he has discussed bilateral economic issues, including Bilateral Investment Treaty (BIT), arbitration mechanism, Intellectual Property Rights (IPR), WTO in the light of Doha round, adding that the government has taken several steps to discourage IPR violations, but a lot has to be done to stop this practice in pharmaceutical and optical discs.

To a question regarding Pakistan's role in Central Asia, he said that there were a lot of investment opportunities in the newly independent states and Pakistan could invest there as the US companies were also exploring the same possibilities.

"My advice to the American entrepreneurs would be that if they are serious global companies they must be serious about Pakistan as the country is on a strong path of economic development, trade barriers are being eliminated and deregulation, privatisation and liberalisation are keeping the economy moving," he said. Lavin said that there was enormous potential for the US investment in Pakistan and they need to develop a strategy to participate in marketing.
When asked that on the one hand, the US government issues different advisories to its citizens, barring them to visit Pakistan and on the other, he was asking the companies to invest in Pakistan, he said, "There are security issues in Pakistan, but there are also enormous economic opportunities."

"The people who invest in Pakistan want protection and I have discussed this issue with the Pakistani officials today," he said.

He said that the American administration is introducing legislation in the Congress to pave the way for establishment of economic zones in the tribal areas of Pakistan. Goods produced in these zones would enjoy duty-free access to the US market.

He said there was no timeframe for signing of the BIT and presently both the countries were resolving some of the issues. Signing of the treaty would convey to the world that investment in Pakistan enjoy best possible treatment and legal protection, he added.

He said that Pakistan's exports enjoy open access to the United States. Pakistan's exports to the US grew from $2.9 billion in 2004 to $3.3 billion in 2005, showing 10 percent increase. He said that last year the United States had a trade deficit of $2 billion with Pakistan.

He said the Pakistan-US economic and trade ties are moving in the right direction.

When asked to comment on Pakistan's desire to become a trade corridor for Central Asia and China, he said, it is in the interest of both Pakistan and the United States to have closer economic linkages with the Central Asian Republics. Pakistan offers constructive platform for economic activity in Central Asia, he added.
 
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I think this is all self contradicting report as if Pakistan was a failed state the US investors must not had went for investment here.
Pakistan had floated about 800 million US dollor bond which had recived an enormouse response u all know this thing and 1/3 are the US investors and that too some reputed ones and the companies.
u can see that even the those states with worst record are not included in the list which is clear proof of its authencity.
 
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Jana said:
I think this is all self contradicting report as if Pakistan was a failed state the US investors must not had went for investment here..

Contradiciting report???? didnt get you???


Jana said:
Pakistan had floated about 800 million US dollor bond which had recived an enormouse response u all know this thing and 1/3 are the US investors and that too some reputed ones and the companies...

:cool:
 
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A.Rahman said:
who cares about the "UN official" we will go with the no name group :rolleyes:


the no name group probably had an indian sitting in it and wanted to paint Pakistan as a failed state to vent out his fustrations. What will they think of next..:idiot:
 
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