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There isnt any thrust vectroing in jf17 as for the comparision u done well su r definetly more advance and more capable then the jfs till now but PAF has plans to upgrade the fighter plan every 5 years and for the radar the PAF is already looking for new type of radar for the jfs possibly a phased array which will enhance the capability of the jfs.Longer Radar Range will make the 30MKI see the JF-17 first, and Fire First, JF-17 has to come close to have a chance.
SD-10 has 70Km range, What is the use of 70Kms in a straight line. When 30MKI will see it on launch and will take evasive manoever. While India is already in negotition for Meteor, Python 5, The newest varient of the R-series and also the home grown Astra, Which are all beyond 100Kms.. Super manoverbility is the speciliaity of Su-30MKI and Russian Planes in general.
https://defence.pk/forums/showthread.php?t=5296
Thrust Vectroing in Jf-17 ?????????
The 20km range advantage that the R-77 holds over the Aim-120 seems like the easiest thing to beat the Su-30 at. It's rumored that the SD-10 can do a range of 70km and the R-77 a range of 90 (For both I'm assuming no maneuvers and just a straight line path). Of course this range of the SD-10 was of it's first version and its said to have undergone changes... It needs matching or more range.
Su-30 also gives off a nice solid and large cross-section when hit with the signals from the radar if the JF-17 is able to fire a missile it is sure to get a nice solid lock.
Thrust vectoring on the JF-17 should also take away the Su-30MKI's advantage to run circles around the JF-17. Espcially if its a 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 scenario.
We get Radar Range and Detection ranges above even without a Radar in post 23 ....lol
Thrust Vectroing in Jf-17 ?????????
Aren't the ranges mentioned on the Aim-120 pretty much the same?Asim you guys are not gonna be able to get the NEZ details so the whole Kinematic range thing is really moot. The R-77 listed range is only the Kinematic range for the missile and thus is not a good starting point to base nay discussion upon.
Aren't the ranges mentioned on the Aim-120 pretty much the same?
I don't think the R-77 is a superior missile, especially since I read somewhere (I think FAS) that it doesn't match up in ECCM capability. But its not so bad. It can home-on-jam. While we would be trying to jam the missile, we'd only be serving as a beacon for that missiles.
I hope our ECM employs the 'weak when strong, strong when weak' technique of jamming. Jamming signals should be intelligently used to avoid serving as that beacon for the R-77.
Su-30 also gives off a nice solid and large cross-section when hit with the signals from the radar if the JF-17 is able to fire a missile it is sure to get a nice solid lock.
Thrust vectoring on the JF-17 should also take away the Su-30MKI's advantage to run circles around the JF-17. Espcially if its a 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 scenario.
maneuvering is plus point.....but plane has to reduce the speed at very low, first which is harmful..takes time to comback in momentum and burn lot of fuel....
Can quoted disadvantage is also help full for ground fire.
What if JF-17 are operated in conjection with AWACS, does this put JF-17 in advantageous position.
There must be a plan to intercept SU-30, which invalidate the conventional 1 to 1 comparison.
What happens in scenario, multiple JF-17 (having thrust vectoring) intercepts multiple SU-30 or fire BVR simultaneously.
Su 30 is definitely more superior than the JF-17, the only case where the JF-17 might have a chance is in a 3 on 1 scenario. i think it will be better to compare the J-10 with SU-30.