Su 30 MKI crashes in Western India

[SilentSpeaker]

You do realize your PAF has a higher crash rate.

And your claim is based on what?

 

[NKVD]

The problem with your kind is, that you wont like a neutral source, which dont fit your narrative, but for your kind, wikipedia is indeed neutral.

Oh come on wiki collection of reference of Data Wikipedia itself is not portal but collection relevance history

Its hilarious Wiki used by numerous experts on PDF to proove there argument

But it disregarded as soon arguments goes other ways

 

[Gregor Clegane]

And your claim is based on what?

Simple since January 2012 till today there have 27 crashes of IAF fighter jets whereas PAF has seen 20 fighter jet crashes i.e. a ratio of 1.35:1.
Now taking into consideration the fact the IAF is 1.8 to 2.0x the size of PAF, PAFs crash rate is significantly worse than IAF's.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Oh come on wiki collection of reference of Data Wikipedia itself is not portal but collection relevance history

Its hilarious Wiki used by numerous experts on PDF to proove there argument

But it disregarded as soon arguments goes other ways

When someone who is considered as a father of modern aviation, tell you something which goes against your preconceived narrative and your taught history in your propaganda books, I can feel your pain. Remember the original argument? the PAF kill ratio against IAF, 3:1 in 71 war, that has been corroborated by non other then Chuck yeager himself. Its not we the Pakistanis saying this, he is a third party.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Now taking into consideration the fact the IAF is 1.8 to 2.0x the size of PAF, PAFs crash rate is significantly worse than IAF's.

IAF is three times larger than PAF

Forget the official figures ; they are just words

 

[Windjammer]

Lets here from some famous histrorians

The PAF deployed the F-6s mainly on defensive combat air patrol missions over their own bases, but without the preferentialair superiority, the PAF was unable to conduct effective offensive operations and its attacks were largely ineffective.The Indian Air Force's raids destroyed one USAF and oneUN in Dacca while the Canada's RCAF DHC-4 Caribou was also destroyed in Islamabad, alongside with the USAF's Beech U-8 owned by the US military's liaison chief Brigadier-General Chuck Yeager Sporadic raids by the Indian air force continued against PAF forward air bases in Pakistan until the end of the war and interdiction and close-support operations were maintained.:

The PAF played a more limited part in the operations and were reinforced by F-104sfrom Jordan, Mirages from an unidentified Middle Eastern ally (remains unknown) and by F-86s from Saudi Arabia.:Their arrival helped camouflage the extent of PAF losses and the Libyan F-5s were reportedly deployed to Sargodha AFB, perhaps as a potential training unit to prepare Pakistani pilots for an influx of more F-5s from Saudi Arabia.:112The IAF was able to conduct a wide range of missions – troop support; air combat; deep penetration strikes; para-dropping behind enemy lines; feints to draw enemy fighters away from the actual target; bombing and reconnaissance.:The PAF, which was solely focused on air combat, was blown out of the subcontinent’s skies within the first week of the war.
Those PAF aircraft that survived took refuge at Iranian air bases or in concrete bunkers, refusing to offer

Source :

Bowman, Martin (2016-01-30). Cold War Jet Combat: Air-to-Air Jet Fighter Operations 1950–1972. Pen and Sword.ISBN 9781473874633. Retrieved24 December 2016.

Instead of running around like headless chicken and quoting the sources that suit your ego, i suggest you read some latest disclosure made by the Indian sources themselves, where they admit the losses of at least 75 IAF aircraft with 23 being shot down in the first two days. As for the ridiculous claims of PAF being blown away, well back in 1971, there was no Indian fear of Pigeons or Balloons, so it could have only been the PAF that according to India MOD, that made constant attacks on Indian tanks and positions in the west as late as 17th December.
Oh, the last air battle of 1971 also proved the true outcome of the 1971 air war. PAF pilot flying an obsolete F-86 Sabre, takes out IAF's latest supersonic MiG-21....that busted any myths created by the IAF or as they say last nail in the coffin.

The last air battle of 1971 war between PAF and IAF took place on 17th December. The encounter involved a humble PAF F-86 Sabre against a Supersonic MIG-21 of the IAF.
Flt Lt. Maqsood Amir emerged the victorious pilot when he shot down the MIG-21, No C 116 through a missile attack.
The Indian pilot F/L Tejwant Singh was captured after ejecting from his stricken aircraft.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Instead of running around like headless chicken and quoting the sources that suit your ego, i suggest you read some latest disclosure made by the Indian sources themselves, where they admit the losses of at least 75 IAF aircraft with 23 being shot down in the first two days. As for the ridiculous claims of PAF being blown away, well back in 1971, there was no Indian fear of Pigeons or Balloons, so it could have only been the PAF that according to India MOD, that made constant attacks on Indian tanks and positions in the west as late as 17th December.
Oh, the last air battle of 1971 also proved the true outcome of the 1971 air war. PAF pilot flying an obsolete F-86 Sabre, takes out IAF's latest supersonic MiG-21....that busted any myths created by the IAF or as they say last nail in the coffin.

The last air battle of 1971 war between PAF and IAF took place on 17th December. The encounter involved a humble PAF F-86 Sabre against a Supersonic MIG-21 of the IAF.
Flt Lt. Maqsood Amir emerged the victorious pilot when he shot down the MIG-21, No C 116 through a missile attack.
The Indian pilot F/L Tejwant Singh was captured after ejecting from his stricken aircraft.

So you brought down a Few planes But LOST half your country

What a stupendous victory

 

[Windjammer]

So you brought down a Few planes But LOST half your country

What a stupendous victory

If you had brains you be dangerous....
We are not exactly discussing the war....besides do you hold half the country.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

If you had brains you be dangerous....
We are not exactly discussing the war....besides do you hold half the country.

And If you had brains you would NOT be stuck in 1965 and 1971

It is OK ; Strong grief can cloud your judgement

Bangladesh is our friend and WE know that there is NOT one day when
All Pakistanis wish that 1971 had not happened

All the extremism in your country was deliberately inculcated to prevent
another 1971 ; see where it has brought you today

 

[Windjammer]

And If you had brains you would NOT be stuck in 1965 and 1971

It is OK ; Strong grief can cloud your judgement

Bangladesh is our friend and WE know that there is NOT one day when
All Pakistanis wish that 1971 had not happened

All the extremism in your country was deliberately inculcated to prevent
another 1971 ; see where it has brought you today

We know after spending time dressed in a pink saree, you are desperate to make a shout.
Enough of your BS, just look at yourself, your obsession draws you to a Pakistani forum where you are desperate to prove your pennyworth.
As i said if you had brains....you would remember how the same Bangladesh gave you a bloody nose.
It's just a matter of time....
DISTURBED BORDER
http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1809/18090220.htm

 

[Hindustani78]

If you had brains you be dangerous....
We are not exactly discussing the war....besides do you hold half the country.

We Indians are at war and we are fighting for our national soveriginity and territorial integrity.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

We know after spending time dressed in a pink saree, you are desperate to make a shout.
Enough of your BS, just look at yourself, your obsession draws you to a Pakistani forum where you are desperate to prove your pennyworth.
As i said if you had brains....you would remember how the same Bangladesh gave you a bloody nose.
It's just a matter of time....
DISTURBED BORDER
http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1809/18090220.htm

All you can do is Cherry Picking

Some incidents from 1965 ; some from 1971
and voila ; Pakistan won all its wars

Similarly that incident happened a good 16 years ago

Today We have a lot of Leverage in Bangladesh ; much more than what you have in
Afghanistan ; THANKS to RAW ; the same Raw that is doing good things in Afghanistan

And since that time we have killed hundreds of intruders

Do me a favour ; find out the meaning of the term " The Big Picture "

Stop this hair splitting about a few planes that you shot down in 1965 and 1971

India's win was zionist conspiracy... Winning the dog fight is more important than well... who cares about kalu bengalis. They are anyways subhumans according to our fellow PDFians.

You have summarised YEARS of discussions on PDF in just Two sentences

Congratulations

 

[Windjammer]

All you can do is Cherry Picking

Some incidents from 1965 ; some from 1971
and voila ; Pakistan won all its wars

Similarly that incident happened a good 16 years ago

Today We have a lot of Leverage in Bangladesh ; much more than what you have in
Afghanistan ; THANKS to RAW ; the same Raw that is doing good things in Afghanistan

And since that time we have killed hundreds of intruders

Do me a favour ; find out the meaning of the term " The Big Picture "

Stop this hair splitting about a few planes that you shot down in 1965 and 1971

Instead of habitually catching things out of thin air, first acquire the capability to read the topic and who posted what. We know you can't think outside your Bharti bubble so it's beyond your wisdom to understand that when there's no government rule beyond Kabul, what hope for any wishful thinkers.
And instead of wasting space if you must then give advise to your country fellows who can't help to even drag the 1971 war even in a cricket match.

You have summarised YEARS of discussions on PDF in just Two sentences

Congratulations

I'm sure India's Dalit community must be chuffed at such remarkable display of humanity.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Instead of habitually catching things out of thin air, first acquire the capability to read the topic and who posted what. We know you can't think outside your Bharti bubble so it's beyond your wisdom to understand that when there's no government rule beyond Kabul, what hope for any wishful thinkers.
And instead of wasting space if you must then give advise to your country fellows who can't help to even drag the 1971 war even in a cricket match.

I'm sure India's Dalit community must be chuffed at such remarkable display of humanity.

As always ; you are not making any sense here

It is ALWAYS you who brings in these Incidents of a few IAF planes being shot down
in 1965 and 1971

God Knows what satisfaction you derive from these "Pyrrhic victories "

 

[Windjammer]

As always ; you are not making any sense here

It is ALWAYS you who brings in these Incidents of a few IAF planes being shot down
in 1965 and 1971

God Knows what satisfaction you derive from these "Pyrrhic victories "

Yes we are privileged to have a brain like you amongst us, so please don't waste it.