SU-30 Crashes during Test Flight

[Trisonics]

That's because Indian pilots are known to hit the eject button at the first sign of an emergency.
And where are the Indian fanboys who were making fun of PAF crashing it's new JF-17......unlike the SU-30, the JF-17 is not a twin engine jet and it certainly wasn't fresh off the production line.

Stupidity has crossed a new landmark yet again!
Twin engines are only helpful when there is a flame-out in one of them. Funny how you think having a second engine can take care of an issue that may crop up. Loss of control surfaces, material fractures in critical parts are what cause crashes as far as defects in the plane are considered. Twin engines can help in hydraulic failure if the engines are spaced out like in commercial airplanes where variable thrust can be used to control the plane. Even then, an elevator failure is still a dooms day scenario.

As far as this crash is considered, there was no loss of human life anywhere so your claim of Indian pilots hitting the ejection button is also false and a pathetic attempt to malign them.

 

[El Sidd]

Stupidity has crossed a new landmark yet again!
Twin engines are only helpful when there is a flame-out in one of them. Funny how you think having a second engine can take care of an issue that may crop up. Loss of control surfaces, material fractures in critical parts are what cause crashes as far as defects in the plane are considered. Twin engines can help in hydraulic failure if the engines are spaced out like in commercial airplanes where variable thrust can be used to control the plane. Even then, an elevator failure is still a dooms day scenario.

As far as this crash is considered, there was no loss of human life anywhere so your claim of Indian pilots hitting the ejection button is also false and a pathetic attempt to malign them.

Do These Reports ever get Published?
How can you throw words like fractures and Metal fatigue so easily considering you Aspire to be Arms exporting Nation?

 

[Trisonics]

Do These Reports ever get Published?
How can you throw words like fractures and Metal fatigue so easily considering you Aspire to be Arms exporting Nation?

Yes they are.. in full detail. That is something India does really well. Fractures and metal fatigue are all common in the manufacturing process or if they are not fitted according to standards. Somehow the Pakistani members here think they know more than the trained ones. If indeed there was an engine flame out, won't the pilots not know how to land it on a single engine?

The plausible cause for this crash is in a critical component failing or pilot error. Pilot error in a test phase is again common since the plane has to be put into dangerous situations including stalling and pushing the envelope as described by the test parameters.

It's part of the dangerous mission these brave test pilots have to go through.

 

[El Sidd]

Yes they are.. in full detail. That is something India does really well. Fractures and metal fatigue are all common in the manufacturing process or if they are not fitted according to standards. Somehow the Pakistani members here think they know more than the trained ones. If indeed there was an engine flame out, won't the pilots not know how to land it on a single engine?

The plausible cause for this crash is in a critical component failing or pilot error. Pilot error in a test phase is again common since the plane has to be put into dangerous situations including stalling and pushing the envelope which as described by the test parameters.

It's part of the dangerous mission these brave test pilots have to go through.

So this is a common Problem?

But you are trying to Mass produce flying coffins? Why?

I have Not Seen the pictures so cannot comment if it disintegrated or flamed out.

All test flight missions are brave in nature specially in India given the history.

 

[Windjammer]

Stupidity has crossed a new landmark yet again!
Twin engines are only helpful when there is a flame-out in one of them. Funny how you think having a second engine can take care of an issue that may crop up. Loss of control surfaces, material fractures in critical parts are what cause crashes as far as defects in the plane are considered. Twin engines can help in hydraulic failure if the engines are spaced out like in commercial airplanes where variable thrust can be used to control the plane. Even then, an elevator failure is still a dooms day scenario.

As far as this crash is considered, there was no loss of human life anywhere so your claim of Indian pilots hitting the ejection button is also false and a pathetic attempt to malign them.

Nothing is more pathetic when likes of your kind tries to be clever.
Let me give you a brief lesson in basic military aviation......while say USAF may operate single engine fighters, the USN always goes for twin engine machines as most of it's operations are done over water hence the safety of twin engine, the same was the reason the RAAF and Swiss AF adopted the Hornets.
And a little closer to home, the reason why no single engine jets participate in your Republic Day flypasts.....there may have been no loss of life this time but there are also known cases like an IAF jet crashing on a motorcyclist and why the IAF has managed to crashed over 50 Jaguars and IN had written off half of it's Harrier force.

 

[Trisonics]

So this is a common Problem?

But you are trying to Mass produce flying coffins? Why?

I have Not Seen the pictures so cannot comment if it disintegrated or flamed out.

All test flight missions are brave in nature specially in India given the history.

It's more common then you think. You can look it up online. There have been several even in the commercial world where airplane testing envelopes are limited and here we are talking about a military jet.

Of course, when you come with a bias that this is somehow an Indian phenomenon, there is nothing much one can do but let you continue your party.

 

[El Sidd]

It's more common then you think. You can look it up online. There have been several even in the commercial world where airplane testing envelopes are limited and here we are talking about a military jet.

Of course, when you come with a bias that this is somehow an Indian phenomenon, there is nothing much one can do but let you continue your party.

You cannot compare military grade metalwork with commercial jets.

You need to understand that quality is only just one piece of the Puzzle. Poor Design is the next.

IAF is a milking Machine. There is No bias. Its a business conclusion.

But sure since you have a bias. Continue

 

[Trisonics]

Nothing is more pathetic when likes of your kind tries to be clever.
Let me give you a brief lesson in basic military aviation......while say USAF may operate single engine fighters, the USN always goes for twin engine machines as most of it's operations are done over water hence the safety of twin engine, the same was the reason the RAAF and Swiss AF adopted the Hornets.
And a little closer to home, the reason why no single engine jets participate in your Republic Day flypasts.....there may have been no loss of life this time but there are also known cases like an IAF jet crashing on a motorcyclist and why the IAF has managed to crashed over 50 Jaguars and IN had written off half of it's Harrier force.

Again you continue to dwell among the stupid. You made a comment on this crash without knowing if there was a flame out. A pilot can steer a crippled plain if he can control it. Unlike the imaginary skills that you are thinking of, if control surfaces are indeed compromised, there is very little a pilot can do. Ever wondered how so many commercials jets have crashed into cities? Looks like they missed your intellectual lectures..

Every pilot tries his best to save his plane, people on the ground and himself. Stop being stupid.

 

[Chuuma]

Every pilot tries his best to save his plane, people on the ground and himself. Stop being stupid.

Thats impossible.

The Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter jet that crashed was an under-production aircraft manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited or HAL in Nashik. The aircraft was still undergoing tests and was not yet handed over to the Indian Air Force.

 

[Windjammer]

Again you continue to dwell among the stupid. You made a comment on this crash without knowing if there was a flame out. A pilot can steer a crippled plain if he can control it. Unlike the imaginary skills that you are thinking of, if control surfaces are indeed compromised, there is very little a pilot can do. Ever wondered how so many commercials jets have crashed into cities? Looks like they missed your intellectual lectures..

Every pilot tries his best to save his plane, people on the ground and himself. Stop being stupid.

And you don't even need to try to be stupid.....since you seem to just shoot in the dark.
If there was a flame out then HAL wouldn't have needed to set up a board of investigation..... ''The Board of Investigation has been ordered to find out the exact cause,".
As for you making efforts to be clever and comparing commercial flights with military jets, next time you are not searching for excuses, look skywards and count how many civilian aircraft and how many military jets you can spot on any given day flying over a city or otherwise.....and then there's also the speed factor so please don't try to grow a brain.

 

[Trisonics]

And you don't even need to try to be stupid.....since you seem to just shoot in the dark.
If there was a flame out then HAL wouldn't have needed to set up a board of investigation..... ''The Board of Investigation has been ordered to find out the exact cause,".
As for you making efforts to be clever and comparing commercial flights with military jets, next time you are not searching for excuses, look skywards and count how many civilian aircraft and how many military jets you can spot on any given day flying over a city or otherwise.....and then there's also the speed factor so please don't try to grow a brain.

The intellectually challenged can only dodge the question. I'll ask one last time. If the airplane control surfaces are damaged, let's assume an elevator jam. How much leverage does he have to avoid a populated area? Mocking pilots like the way you do may be in your culture, but there is a very limited scope for a pilot on a crippled aircraft. Pure science not Pakistani logic.

 

[Windjammer]

The intellectually challenged can only dodge the question. I'll ask one last time. If the airplane control surfaces are damaged, let's assume an elevator jam. How much leverage does he have to avoid a populated area? Mocking pilots like the way you do may be in your culture, but there is a very limited scope for a pilot on a crippled aircraft. Pure science not Pakistani logic.

And one should question the absent minded, did this incident transpire over a populated area or whether that is always the case, no one is mocking any body at least they are alive, one can reproduce comments from your country fellows regarding some PAF tragedies....hence it's an Indian logic to wash soap before hands.

 

[Thorough Pro]

The fighter jet was a production aircraft of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and was being tested before delivery.

 

[aman_rai0007]

and btw do not tell this to the Americans because you been trying to lure production orders for the same F16 you made fun of in the last post and apparently F35 and F22 too if i remember correctly.



and request the administration to post this under ' India is developing but still a long way to go ' thread.

Actually it's other way around...
It's Lockheed Martin trying to lure us for their f16s...
And take my word... No one in India except some Fanboys are interested

 

[El Sidd]

Actually it's other way around...
It's Lockheed Martin trying to lure us for their f16s...
And take my word... No one in India except some Fanboys are interested

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