Stunning landscape of Kaptai lake area of Bangladesh.

[Homo Sapiens]

Kaptai is the largest lake in Bangladesh. Area 680 square kilometers.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Aside from stunning landscape, this lake is also a big source of fresh water fish.

 

[Bilal9]

Amazing footage from the largest man made lake in Bangladesh built by then-Pakistan with the sole aim of driving the tribals away from their ancestral lands. The Chakmas would be marvelled by this wonderful creation and landscape if they were to glance upon this video.

The Chakmas (as with the rest of Tenchangyas, Marmas etc. of other tribal groups) are vagrant itinerant recent settlers (within the last one hundred years or less) having their origins across the border in Myanmar's Chin state and other areas. This is due to their indigenous 'slash and burn' agriculture method, they have to constantly keep moving like gypsies. They have no claim to the land and are simply vagrants, as with the other tribal groups in Bangladesh.

I suggest you do your research before spouting outright controversial falsehoods about a country's sovereign statehood (and alleged wrongs). This is considered trolling in this sub-forum which will create unnecessary chaos instead of reasoned logical discussion beneficial to everyone here.

You have spread this falsehood with deliberate trolling intent and I have no recourse except to report you to the mods.

@Homo Sapiens bhai I believe you may know more about this.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

The Chakmas (as with the rest of Tenchangyas, Marmas etc. of other tribal groups) are vagrant itinerant recent settlers (within the last one hundred years or less) having their origins across the border in Myanmar's Chin state and other areas. This is due to their indigenous 'slash and burn' agriculture method, they have to constantly keep moving like gypsies. They have no claim to the land and are simply vagrants, as with the other tribal groups in Bangladesh.

I suggest you do your research before spouting outright controversial falsehoods about a country's sovereign statehood (and alleged wrongs). This is considered trolling in this sub-forum which will create unnecessary chaos instead of reasoned logical discussion beneficial to everyone here.

You have spread this falsehood with deliberate trolling intent and I have no recourse except to report you to the mods.

@Homo Sapiens bhai I believe you may know more about this.

It was wrong move on govt..'s part not to compensate them for their displacement. But no one should question the necessity of this hydroelectric dam. It was our first important power plant which helped tremendously to light-up in a country where people still had very little electricity to get by.

I urge all to not to unnecessarily divert this thread towards tribal grievance real or perceived. This thread is about natural landscape and not about political squabbling.

 

[TopCat]

It was wrong move on govt..'s part not to compensate them for their displacement. But no one should question the necessity of this hydroelectric dam. It was our first important power plant which helped tremendously to light-up in a country where people still had very little electricity to get by.

I urge all to not to unnecessarily divert this thread towards tribal grievance real or perceived. This thread is about natural landscape and not about political squabbling.

Exactly.. none of the development project should had created a refugee situation. It was a ill planned project probably chalked out sitting in some Karachi compound or outsourced to some white guy. We have to admit that there were injustice done and left a longing effect on the lives and identity of our tribal people. Some of them still living as stateless in Arunachal. Its a shame.

 

[namefield_empty]

The Chakmas (as with the rest of Tenchangyas, Marmas etc. of other tribal groups) are vagrant itinerant recent settlers (within the last one hundred years or less) having their origins across the border in Myanmar's Chin state and other areas.

How low will you people stoop down to? Chakmas have been inhabiting the CHT for more than four hundred years now. Subsistence on slash and burn agriculture is a part of their culture, that doesn't mean that they don't belong to the place.

This is due to their indigenous 'slash and burn' agriculture method, they have to constantly keep moving like gypsies. They have no claim to the land and are simply vagrants,

They can move anywhere within their territory as they are nomadic tribes just like the Monpas of Arunachal and some Naga tribes. That doesn't mean that the land isn't theirs.

This is considered trolling in this sub-forum which will create unnecessary chaos instead of reasoned logical discussion beneficial to everyone here.

You have spread this falsehood with deliberate trolling intent and I have no recourse except to report you to the mods.

And you will be the judge of that? All i see you do is indulge in falsehood like claiming that the Chakmas in CHT are only a century old and when it's pointed out run to the mods with your tail tucked, instead of debating like a man.
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The Kaptai project is amongst the worst ecological and human made disasters in the world that displaced lakhs of tribals from their ancestral homes. Almost half of them now seek refuge in north east India. What a wonderful piece of engineering though!! Kudos Bangladesh..

 

[TopCat]

The Chakmas (as with the rest of Tenchangyas, Marmas etc. of other tribal groups) are vagrant itinerant recent settlers (within the last one hundred years or less) having their origins across the border in Myanmar's Chin state and other areas. This is due to their indigenous 'slash and burn' agriculture method, they have to constantly keep moving like gypsies. They have no claim to the land and are simply vagrants, as with the other tribal groups in Bangladesh.

I suggest you do your research before spouting outright controversial falsehoods about a country's sovereign statehood (and alleged wrongs). This is considered trolling in this sub-forum which will create unnecessary chaos instead of reasoned logical discussion beneficial to everyone here.

You have spread this falsehood with deliberate trolling intent and I have no recourse except to report you to the mods.

@Homo Sapiens bhai I believe you may know more about this.

Chakmas/Marmsa are not Jum cultivator but lived on traditional farming like Bengalis.

 

[namefield_empty]

Some of them still living as stateless in Arunachal.

Not only in Arunachal, they are relocated in Mizoram, Tripura, Assam.. But i get your drift and at least you are courageous enough to call a spade by its name unlike that Bilal guy.

Chakmas/Marmsa are not Jum cultivator but lived on traditional farming like Bengalis.

Are they not called Jumma people in Bangladesh, which probably means those involved in Jhum cultivation for a livelihood?

 

[TopCat]

Are they not called Jumma people in Bangladesh, which probably means those involved in Jhum cultivation for a livelihood?

They are called Jumma people but not in literal meaning. Chakmas main technique are not Jum cultivation.

 

[namefield_empty]

They are called Jumma people but not in literal meaning. Chakmas main technique are not Jum cultivation.

Ok, if you say so. But to my knowledge Jhum cultivation is a widespread phenomenon in the CHT as well as states like Mizoram, Tripura in India. Besides, your own countryman the Bilal guy had called them slash and burn vagrants. Do you agree with him on this and when he says that Chakmas have been in the CHT for only a century?

 

[TopCat]

Ok, if you say so. But to my knowledge Jhum cultivation is a widespread phenomenon in the CHT as well as states like Mizoram, Tripura in India. Besides, your own countryman the Bilal guy had called them slash and burn vagrants. Do you agree with him on this and when he says that Chakmas have been in the CHT for only a century?

Chakmas are probably one of the most advanced people among North Eastern region apart from Assamese (who are mainly indic).
There are a lot of different version of Chakma history even they themselves contradict. Some of them claim they are from North India and some claim them from Irrawaddy region of Burma.
But if anybody know their language, then they will put them in CHT/Arakan region since eternity. They speak a version of Chittagonian, Rohingya language which is actually Bangla.
Marma and Rakhine people are actually migrant.

 

[Doctor Strange]

This same India bitch again. Propaganda of Kaptai dam was created to drive out Chakmas, by Pakistanis. Then how come Chakmas supported Pakistan over BD in 71. If these guys were living in such a bad condition they should have opted the alternative when they got chance. But it was the opposite. Then just after the creation of BD these guys rebelled against BD, by active support from India. These all happened when Sheikh Mujib was alive. Then Zia came into power and decided to minimize this Indian threat by settling Bengalis there. This same Indian bitch rhetoric Baloch, Pashtuns are living under oppression of Pak. Bengalis were living under oppression of Pak. Now Hindus and other minorities are living under oppression of BD. Etc etc propaganda. As if their minority situationis any better. As long as you are not in their good books there will be nonstop propaganda.

 

[namefield_empty]

Then how come Chakmas supported Pakistan over BD in 71.

False, it was their titular head Tridev Roy who supported Pakistan as he intended to preserve his feudal domination, the average Chakma had no say in it.

If these guys were living in such a bad condition they should have opted the alternative when they got chance.

You can thank the deep mistrust of the Bengalis towards the tribals for that, the fear of being exploited by you Bengalis made him support Pakistan. The Chakmas in fact hoisted the Indian tricolor in CHT post independence.

 

[Bilal9]

@Dubious bhai please take note of post number three (hijacking troll post). This follows consistent pattern of thread hijacking and trolling in other threads by this same poster with specific agenda.

 

[namefield_empty]

@mods , this forum is an apt place for disseminating knowledge and facts about those places in the world which many from other parts of the world have little knowledge of. If we all were to agree on everything this forum would be mundane and boring.

Kaptai reservoir and dam have had a great impact on Bangladesh's fortune over decades and as the shared video demonstrates it is quite scenic too( not that the Karnafuli river wasn't scenic before the commissioning of the dam), something that i agreed to in my post #3. But people need to be told about the other side of the story too, how these mega engineering works impact the livelihood of the locals and the environment.

It is not exclusive to Bangladesh, communities were displaced in India too while building the Hirakud and the Narmada projects.

How a mere mention of this universally accepted fact gets these BDeshis riled up and the baseless accusations of trolling that ensue is beyond my understanding.

Do these Bangladeshis just want us to like their posts and then make an one line comment that 'OMG it's so beautiful, well done BD'.

If it were upto the folks like Bilal who take objection to all my posts PDF would have gone to the dogs. @Dubious