'Stronger together': Taiwan foreign minister urges new alliance against China

[Cherub786]

No worries CHina got own QUAD. China-Russia-Iran-Pakistan. Come at me bro.

Iran is the weakest link of that "quad". Pakistan is bankrupt. Russia and China don't always see eye to eye either, they're rivals more than allies.

 

[retaxis]

Iran is the weakest link of that "quad". Pakistan is bankrupt. Russia and China don't always see eye to eye either, they're rivals more than allies.

Russia and China are practically allies and support each other in every way. Iran is powerful enough for America to be too scared to attack them and Pakistan has nukes. Western Quad can't do anything to Iran alone let alone mess with Eastern Quad lol.

 

[Cherub786]

Russia and China are practically allies and support each other in every way. Iran is powerful enough for America to be too scared to attack them and Pakistan has nukes. Western Quad can't do anything to Iran alone let alone mess with Eastern Quad lol.

Like it or not the Western alliance is militarily ten times superior if not more to your so-called Eastern Quad.
America isn't too scared to attack Iran. The attack will come sooner or later. And believe you me, when Iran is attacked neither China nor Russia will come to its rescue. They'll only condemn the war and make a lot of noise in the UN, like they did when Iraq was attacked (more accurately liberated) but that's all. They won't dare oppose America militarily.
And if World War III does break out, the China/Russia led bloc will lose like the Axis Powers in the previous two world worlds. America is a winner because the people of the world idealize its stance of freedom and liberty. German fascism failed and then Soviet authoritarian communism failed, but America liberalism persists. China and Russia still didn't learn the lessons of World War II and the Cold War. Authoritarian regimes can never win in the long run. They need to have true liberal democracy

 

[retaxis]

Like it or not the Western alliance is militarily ten times superior if not more to your so-called Eastern Quad.
America isn't too scared to attack Iran. The attack will come sooner or later. And believe you me, when Iran is attacked neither China nor Russia will come to its rescue. They'll only condemn the war and make a lot of noise in the UN, like they did when Iraq was attacked (more accurately liberated) but that's all. They won't dare oppose America militarily.
And if World War III does break out, the China/Russia led bloc will lose like the Axis Powers in the previous two world worlds. America is a winner because the people of the world idealize its stance of freedom and liberty. German fascism failed and then Soviet authoritarian communism failed, but America liberalism persists. China and Russia still didn't learn the lessons of World War II and the Cold War. Authoritarian regimes can never win in the long run. They need to have true liberal democracy

Well better be soon because whites in America are going to be a minority soon and then America will end up like Brazil or Mexico LOL. Only reason America came out on top in Cold War was because they were 90% white and had support from China. America with Hispanic majority population will become a corrupt sh1thole while Eastern Block with good strong demographics will become the major powerhouse. No one will attack anyone since both sides can produce unlimited nukes but if you don't attack Iran soon then you will kowtow to demographics.

Entire western world is succumbing to demographics and white population in their own countries are diminishing greatly especially France, US, Britain etc. Whole Western world is scared of little Iran without nukes and you want to take on the quad? China, RUssia, NK, Pakistan all got nukes you already lost lol.

 

[Cherub786]

Well better be soon because whites in America are going to be a minority soon and then America will end up like Brazil or Mexico LOL. Only reason America came out on top in Cold War was because they were 90% white and had support from China. America with Hispanic majority population will become a corrupt sh1thole while Eastern Block with good strong demographics will become the major powerhouse. No one will attack anyone since both sides can produce unlimited nukes but if you don't attack Iran soon then you will kowtow to demographics.

Entire western world is succumbing to demographics and white population in their own countries are diminishing greatly especially France, US, Britain etc. Whole Western world is scared of little Iran without nukes and you want to take on the quad? China, Russia, NK, Pakistan all got nukes you already lost lol.

America is not a nation state unlike the countries in Europe. America is its ideals and values, not its demographics. Yes, 40% of America is now Hispanic and non-White. Firstly, many if not most Hispanic Americans are actually White too. But in America non-Hispanic Whites are counted separately, and they are a slim majority of 60%. But combined with Hispanic Whites obviously that percentage goes up considerably. Furthermore, even I am considered a White person in America, because Indians and Pakistanis are considered White. The race classifications in America are 1. White 2. Black 3. Asian 4. Native American or Pacific Islander
Sometimes they add Hispanic as a category, but again, most Hispanics are actually considered White.
But the point is it doesn't matter what America's racial demographics are, the liberalism and foreign policy will persist, perhaps even become stronger. Remember, it's actually the White nationalists who want to befriend Russia, and some have a soft corner for China too. The non-interventionists, or the "no more war" crowd in America belong to either 1 of 3 categories: 1. Libertarians like Ron Paul, 2. White nationalists like Richard Spencer and Steve Bannon, and 3. Leftists like Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard
Biden's cabinet is going to be the most racially diverse in America's history. Kamala Harris is the face of this new, racially diverse America, but even she is a mainstream, centrist neoliberal.
Mainstream, centrist neoliberals have made America what it is and the people aren't going to abandon it anytime soon. The non-White minorities certainly aren't. We love neoliberalism and we want America to curtail the threat from China and Russia.

 

[retaxis]

America is not a nation state unlike the countries in Europe. America is its ideals and values, not its demographics. Yes, 40% of America is now Hispanic and non-White. Firstly, many if not most Hispanic Americans are actually White too. But in America non-Hispanic Whites are counted separately, and they are a slim majority of 60%. But combined with Hispanic Whites obviously that percentage goes up considerably. Furthermore, even I am considered a White person in America, because Indians and Pakistanis are considered White. The race classifications in America are 1. White 2. Black 3. Asian 4. Native American or Pacific Islander
Sometimes they add Hispanic as a category, but again, most Hispanics are actually considered White.
But the point is it doesn't matter what America's racial demographics are, the liberalism and foreign policy will persist, perhaps even become stronger. Remember, it's actually the White nationalists who want to befriend Russia, and some have a soft corner for China too. The non-interventionists, or the "no more war" crowd in America belong to either 1 of 3 categories: 1. Libertarians like Ron Paul, 2. White nationalists like Richard Spencer and Steve Bannon, and 3. Leftists like Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard
Biden's cabinet is going to be the most racially diverse in America's history. Kamala Harris is the face of this new, racially diverse America, but even she is a mainstream, centrist neoliberal.
Mainstream, centrist neoliberals have made America what it is and the people aren't going to abandon it anytime soon. The non-White minorities certainly aren't. We love neoliberalism and we want America to curtail the threat from China and Russia.

Only thing that matters is demographics and culture. Minorities prefer authoritarianism because they are more family orientated then whites. White culture only cares about themselves, very selfish and throw old people in nursing homes no sense of responsibility. You will end up like Brazil and kowtow to the power of the Eastern Block because minorities who will become majority in America want socialism and family values. Why are you so scared to invade Iran btw? You scared to fight them but you talk about messing with Russia/China/NK/Pakistan who are all nuclear powers lol. You couldn't even take out Assad and he is a tiny minority in his own country lol.

 

[TaiShang]

Recently returned back from Mainland. All is well. Cross-Straits trade has grown further over the past 10 months. Taiwan trade dependency on Mainland has increased under Tsai government. That's good; we are making good money. Besides, lots of know-how goes to Mainland through informal channels, assisting Mainland development.

Indeed, stronger TOGETHER.

 

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The international community must join together in resisting China’s expansionism and preventing an invasion of Taiwan by sharing intelligence, rethinking Chinese business ties and boosting Taipei’s presence on the world stage, Taiwan’s foreign minister has said.

In an interview with the Guardian, Joseph Wu said China’s activities in the South China and East China seas, its border skirmishes with India, and its crackdown on Hong Kong were evidence of it seeking to “expand its authoritarian order”, and that Taiwan was its next target.

Wu warned partners including the US, Europe, Japan and Australia, that if Taiwan were to “fall prey to China” it would greatly expand Beijing’s reach into the Pacific region and significantly impact the world order.

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As foreign minister, Wu has been at the forefront of Taiwan’s lobbying campaign for international “like-minded” alliances. In the ornate meeting room of Taipei’s foreign ministry, he spoke optimistically about what he hoped other nations might offer, but was careful not to cross into requests for direct military assistance, which could inflame the precarious stability of the Taiwan Strait. However, he did not shy away from criticising Beijing, saying its imposition of “authoritarian, even totalitarian rule” threatened to turn even its own people against it.

Despite the Chinese Communist party never having ruled Taiwan, Beijing considers it to be a breakaway province that must be brought back to the motherland, by force if necessary. It has dramatically built up its military capabilities, increased aerial incursions and military drills, and sharpened its rhetoric against Taipei and the US for its support of Taiwan. In October China’s president, Xi Jinping, told troops to prepare for war.

Chinese control of Taiwan would significantly boost Beijing’s regional control and access to the Pacific region.


“If one of the most critical junctures of the first island chain is not in the hands of the like-minded countries, we can imagine what this is going to create in the global strategic picture,” Wu said, referencing McCarthy-era fears of China’s navy reaching the US west coast. “We definitely need to think about how we prevent it from happening.”

Wu said European countries had a renewed interest in the Indo-Pacific, and Australia was facing “a very complicated Pacific” region. They and other allies such as Japan were not obligated to support Taiwan but if Taiwan fell to China “that might have a significant [global] impact”.

“The like-minded countries need to come together, and we will be stronger together,” he said.

He said Taiwan would “appreciate” intelligence information sharing and other non-military forms of support from other allies including Australia and Japan. Taiwan was working domestically against disinformation campaigns and infiltration, but also sought international partners on hybrid warfare and security cooperation.

Wu said Taiwan wanted to show the international community and China that it was “absolutely determined to defend ourselves”, and that it had the responsibility, will and capability.

Incursions on the rise
Taiwan is hugely outgunned by China. It has made major commitments to boost its defence capabilities and improve the state of its infantry, but relies on billions of dollars in arms sales from the US.

Under a decades-old agreement the US is obliged to provide Taiwan with necessary defensive materials, but it also maintains a deterrence policy of refusing to say if it would come to Taiwan’s defence in the case of an attack. Under the Trump administration sales increased and requests were fast-tracked, something Wu said he believes will continue.

“Considering that China may want to launch an attack a couple … or several years down the road in a more massive way, we need to procure more items from the United States,” he said.

Analysts have pointed to China’s military buildup and growing belligerence under the leadership of Xi Jinping, as well as its deepening hostilities with the US – a key party in cross-strait relations – to say a confrontation is growing more likely.

“We cannot assume that China will attack Taiwan or will not attack Taiwan, in what period of time,” Wu said. “But if we look at the Chinese preparation in the last couple of years, they have certainly intensified their military deployment against Taiwan, and also intensified their exercises around Taiwan,” he said.

In recent months China has ramped up its incursions into Taiwan’s air identification zone (AIDZ), to near-daily flights of military jets and spy planes, according to Taiwan’s defence monitors. Each time Taiwan scrambles its own jets in response, causing wear and tear on the fleet as well as giving China’s People’s Liberation Army information about its tactics. The PLA has also repeatedly crossed the median line, which had until this year represented the status quo on maintaining peace and stability in the strait, Wu said.


Taiwan’s multi-pronged defence strategies are preparing for a variety of Chinese moves including cyberattacks on critical infrastructure, disinformation campaigns, infiltration, large scale military assaults, a Crimea-style annexation of outlying islands, “grey zone” precursors to war, or a combination of them all.

What Taiwan really needed, Wu said, was more support in rejoining international bodies. Few countries formally recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state and despite China’s increasing isolation on the world stage, it still wields enough power and influence to keep Taiwan out of international organisations like the World Health Organization (WHO). Despite growing calls for its inclusion, Taiwan has not garnered enough support for its admission to the WHO’s assembly.

“We want the international community to understand that excluding 23.5 million people here in Taiwan is definitely not fair to the Taiwanese people, and also, excluding Taiwanese people from participating in the World Health Organization is also not fair to the rest of the international community,” he said, saying Taiwan had plenty to share about its successful pandemic response.

Wu also pointed to other modes of action other governments could take in resisting Beijing’s advances and supporting Taiwan, including rethinking trades.

“Whoever is affected by Chinese expansionism will turn around and [ask] is it good for me to do business with this country? I’m sure you see that Japan, the United States, India, and now Australia, [as well as] many other countries including in the European Union are now saying hey, maybe this is the time for us to rethink the strategy for dealing with China,” said.

However he acknowledged this often came at a cost, noting China’s willingness to restrict or sanction imports as a dispute tactic, most recently shown with its ban on Australian coal and tariffs on its wine. But this, he said, was when international alliances were most needed. “Fighting alone is not the way to deal with it”.

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'Stronger together': Taiwan foreign minister urges new alliance against China

Joseph Wu says Beijing is seeking to expand its ‘authoritarian order’ and calls for ‘like-minded’ nations to act together to protect Taiwan

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its only a matter of time!!

 

[AViet]

Note how Canada did not even criticize Zhao Lijian bashing Australia on Twitter. They turned around and sold coal to China instead to cover for loss of Australian supply.

Indians still sell rice to China at massive discount. Their rhetoric is bigger than their bite. US is going for a reset with Biden because he knows that he'll need China's help soon or face a prolonged, difficult economic recovery. UK goes where US goes.

You tend to love cheap, easy rhetoric but don't see the facts on the ground.

I think from now on, the US president-elect will await the formal approval from China to be ascertained about his fate (of course they do not admit this openly). If China did not accept the results, they surely might create the chaos inside America with its powerful fifth columns and the newly-elected president can be easily turned into a lame-duck one.

Seeing Western media around the world loudly announced that "China has sent official congratulation to Biden" made me think of the past, when kings needed formal acceptance from Chinese emperors at their coronations.

 

[casual]

Taiwan will be the trigger for WW3. China will war dec Taiwan the moment it declares independence and is prepared to fight USA for it. Taiwan's current admin is crazy enough to declares independence when they gets the go ahead from USA. So the trigger is in the hands of the US gov. Trump, for all his craziness, was not willing to risk WW3. Let's see how the Biden admin will decide.