Stratfor: Why India will continue to misfire against China and Pakistan (got dealt a bad hand)

[Jugger]

I personally think that a plebiscite should be held and let ppl of Kashmir decide their fate. Then regardless of if Kashmir goes to Pak or India or Independent, both India and Pakistan should put on their big boy pants and accept the result...end hostilities, improve relations and overtime I see no reason why we cannot become allies.

Even if Kashmir is resolved I don't think there will be peace between India and Pakistan.
Let me explain, As India is a Hindu majority country, Islamic Pakistan can never be allies with the so called Hindu India. This is the same reason why Pakistan can never have friendly relations with Israel also.

If Pakistan becomes secular republic then it can surely be allies with other secular nations like India as religion will not interfere with politics.
I cannot see Pakistan turning into a secular democracy any time soon.
BTW both secularism and liberalism are termed as foreign ideas to corrupt the mind of the individual and are anti national and anti Islamic w.r.t Pakistan.

 

[GumNaam]

Even if Kashmir is resolved I don't think there will be peace between India and Pakistan.
Let me explain, As India is a Hindu majority country, Islamic Pakistan can never be allies with the so called Hindu India. This is the same reason why Pakistan can never have friendly relations with Israel also.

If Pakistan becomes secular republic then it can surely be allies with other secular nations like India as religion will not interfere with politics.
I cannot see Pakistan turning into a secular democracy any time soon.
BTW both secularism and liberalism are termed as foreign ideas to corrupt the mind of the individual and are anti national and anti Islamic w.r.t Pakistan.

they are not just foreign ideas but are in fact considered as grave sins in Islam itself. Look it up in the Holy Quran.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Even if Kashmir is resolved I don't think there will be peace between India and Pakistan.
Let me explain, As India is a Hindu majority country, Islamic Pakistan can never be allies with the so called Hindu India. This is the same reason why Pakistan can never have friendly relations with Israel also.

If Pakistan becomes secular republic then it can surely be allies with other secular nations like India as religion will not interfere with politics.
I cannot see Pakistan turning into a secular democracy any time soon.
BTW both secularism and liberalism are termed as foreign ideas to corrupt the mind of the individual and are anti national and anti Islamic w.r.t Pakistan.

I don't mean to offend u but I see no basis for ur argument. China is far from a Muslim country and China/Pak share a close relationship. Sri Lanka isn't a Muslim country and while Pakistan and Sri Lanka aren't at the level of Pak/China but they are surely not hostile with each other...and doing completely fine.

U have a misunderstanding as to what Islam really is. While it does promote solidarity with other Muslims, it doesn't tell u to be hostile towards non Muslims. Secular or not a country's policies are based on self interest. India has ok relations with Bangladesh and some middle Eastern Arab countries. It has good relations with Iran which is anything but secular.

Pakistan only sees India as an enemy and is fine with a ton of other non Muslim countries...with varying degrees of ok to good relations. The animosity of Pak towards India(directly) and towards Israel(indirectly) has less to do with Islam but more to do with territorial disputes. With India it's Kashmir. Only in case of Israel that has somewhat to do with Islam with Israel being a holy place(Land of Canaan). It is holy for Jews/Christians/Muslims. Historically they have all lived there even during Muslim rule. The current problem only arose when Palestine was carved into Palestine/Israel. This was made worse after Israel conquered the rest of it during wars. Pakistan(due to the whole solidarity thing I mentioned) shares the stance of Palestine and that's why Pakistan and Israel aren't on the best of terms.

^^ I probably could've written all that in a better way. I went all over the place. Excuse my lack of coherence. I've pulled an all nighter studying. Super tired/sleepy at the moment.

 

[Jugger]

I don't mean to offend u but I see no basis for ur argument. China is far from a Muslim country and China/Pak share a close relationship. Sri Lanka isn't a Muslim country and while Pakistan and Sri Lanka aren't at the level of Pak/China but they are surely not hostile with each other...and doing completely fine.

You don't get it, Pakistan was a close ally of USA for many decades but that ended very fast. Many people rejoiced the 9/11 attacks and condemned the killing of OBL in Pakistan. It is logical that at present Pakistan and China are close friends but once the benefit is over then atheist China can never be a friend.
This is the reality for every religion especially monotheistic religions. No monotheistic religion can support any other religion but their own.
At the end of the day we are all selfish and because of our selfishness we are even willing to not accept our own mistakes.

 

[Cookie Monster]

You don't get it, Pakistan was a close ally of USA for many decades but that ended very fast. Many people rejoiced the 9/11 attacks and condemned the killing of OBL in Pakistan. It is logical that at present Pakistan and China are close friends but once the benefit is over then atheist China can never be a friend.
This is the reality for every religion especially monotheistic religions. No monotheistic religion can support any other religion but their own.
At the end of the day we are all selfish and because of our selfishness we are even willing to not accept our own mistakes.

In that case let's just agree to disagree. U r citing the deterioration of US/Pak relations as an example that supports ur view of religious differences. That simply is not the case.

US/Pak became allies bcuz of their interests and moved apart somewhat bcuz of their interests. If a state's religion(or the religion of its majority) determined whether countries become allies or enemies then Pak and Japan would've been enemies. Or how about Vietnam? Or any other non Muslim country for that matter. That is simply not the case. Pak's relations with all other countries are interest based. Sharing the same religion can add to it due to solidarity but if religions are different it doesn't effect those relations adversely.

A lot of Indians, at least on PDF, seem to think that the alliance between China/Pak is momentary due to common enemy(India). I disagree with this assessment.
There was a time when China was in shambles, very poor economically and way behind technologically. During this time Pakistan had nothing to gain from China. It could expect no help financially nor any tech assistance(defence equipment) from China against India. Yet they were still allies and not enemies. Why? Bcuz China didn't pose a threat to Pak and Pak didn't pose a threat to China. They didn't go after each other's territory. Another reason is that no country would want to make an enemy(specially in their own neighborhood) for no apparent reason. Most countries only become enemies when there is conflict of interest. If there isn't a conflict of interest then worst case scenario is that they just don't care about each other...like Luxembourg and Pak for example...not allies per se but not enemies...they just exist.
Even in absence of India being a common enemy, China and Pakistan would still be fine with each other, at worst akin to Iran/Pak relations) and at best like how they already are.

As for 9/11 rejoicing thing...
No sane person(regardless of their religion/nationality/etc.) is going to celebrate brutal/senseless killing of innocent ppl. I'm Pakistani and I didn't. Of all the Pakistanis that I know, none of them rejoiced over it. Though there could be those who did(since I can't speak for all) but again that has more to do with this recent trend of Islam being hijacked by idiots/psychopaths(the likes of ISIS). These ppl have started using it as a tool for their own gains. If any rejoiced 9/11 it must be these a**holes or their followers, hence also a**holes.