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After 5 august 2019 , pakistan needs new future strategy regarding kashmir .
Pleas feel free to share your opinion .
Some options in my humble opnion .
1: Referendum in Azad kashmir / gilgit-baltistan under UN observers and make it another province of Pakistan according to UN resolution.
2: shift from aggressive diplomacy to aggressive strategy of destablising India and putting immense pressure in occupied kashmir .
3 : Supporting legitimate Armed struggle according UN rules of freedom fight in occupied kashmir . From providing weapons to manpower.
4 : Break all diplomatic relations with india and put aggressive diplomacy among arab countries to put pressure on India , Remember its not one way traffic relation with arabs they giving us ecomony peanuts in return they are getting military support . So withdraw that support if they dont stand with us . Strengthen relatiins with qatar turkey and malaysia .
5 .start Limited low to high intesity war in kashmir to seek the attention of World community .

Now or never .
Otherwise it would be too late , already lost occupied kashmir and if pakistan remain same ...soon will loose kasmiris support for pak too .
Its never get a perfect economy and military for nation to respond but a strong will to respond .
People who thinks we shld strengthen our economy first , should know fact pakistan needs continous growth momentum of atleast more than 1 to 2 more decades to get economy comparable to india .
So whether wait for 2 decades or act now
 
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At the India's current path they will self implode

  • Kashmir is 100% Pakistani Territory ince 1947
  • Khalistan2020 referrendum is due in 2020 out of their own wish

The time has arrived for a possible Referendum in India for a new Muslim Country
Our moral support is with the Muslims inside India , if they decide to go the referendum route to exist alongside Sikh and Leave India and form a new country

The 50-60 Million Sikh are seeking a new country
It would make sense for 290 Million Muslims in India to seek a new country

Modi has already triggered the self destruct button

If they form a new country they will certainly be a welcomed brotherly country
 
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After 5 august 2019 , pakistan needs new future strategy regarding kashmir .
Pleas feel free to share your opinion .
Some options in my humble opnion .
1: Referendum in Azad kashmir / gilgit-baltistan under UN observers and make it another province of Pakistan according to UN resolution.
2: shift from aggressive diplomacy to aggressive strategy of destablising India and putting immense pressure in occupied kashmir .
3 : Supporting legitimate Armed struggle according UN rules of freedom fight in occupied kashmir . From providing weapons to manpower.
4 : Break all diplomatic relations with india and put aggressive diplomacy among arab countries to put pressure on India , Remember its not one way traffic relation with arabs they giving us ecomony peanuts in return they are getting military support . So withdraw that support if they dont stand with us . Strengthen relatiins with qatar turkey and malaysia .
5 .start Limited low to high intesity war in kashmir to seek the attention of World community .

Now or never .
Otherwise it would be too late , already lost occupied kashmir and if pakistan remain same ...soon will loose kasmiris support for pak too .
Its never get a perfect economy and military for nation to respond but a strong will to respond .
People who thinks we shld strengthen our economy first , should know fact pakistan needs continous growth momentum of atleast more than 1 to 2 more decades to get economy comparable to india .
So whether wait for 2 decades or act now

No, its not. According to UN resolution on jammu and Kashmir including gilgit-baltistan. Indian army needs to take control under UN observations then Referendum should be happened

If any changes on this act, will be caused of no use of this act. Even, UN will not be able to force India on about this resolution after this violation of act.
India will be very pleased and happy if Pakistan dlgo ahead with this solution

At the India's current path they will self implode

  • Kashmir is 100% Pakistani Territory ince 1947
  • Khalistan2020 referrendum is due in 2020 out of their own wish

The time has arrived for a possible Referendum in India for a new Muslim Country
Our moral support is with the Muslims inside India , if they decide to go the referendum route to exist alongside Sikh and Leave India and form a new country

The 50-60 Million Sikh are seeking a new country
It would make sense for 290 Million Muslims in India to seek a new country

Modi has already triggered the self destruct button

If they form a new country they will certainly be a welcomed brotherly country

Yup, nice dreams....
 
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After 5 august 2019 , pakistan needs new future strategy regarding kashmir .
Pleas feel free to share your opinion .
Some options in my humble opnion .
1: Referendum in Azad kashmir / gilgit-baltistan under UN observers and make it another province of Pakistan according to UN resolution.
2: shift from aggressive diplomacy to aggressive strategy of destablising India and putting immense pressure in occupied kashmir .
3 : Supporting legitimate Armed struggle according UN rules of freedom fight in occupied kashmir . From providing weapons to manpower.
4 : Break all diplomatic relations with india and put aggressive diplomacy among arab countries to put pressure on India , Remember its not one way traffic relation with arabs they giving us ecomony peanuts in return they are getting military support . So withdraw that support if they dont stand with us . Strengthen relatiins with qatar turkey and malaysia .
5 .start Limited low to high intesity war in kashmir to seek the attention of World community .

Now or never .
Otherwise it would be too late , already lost occupied kashmir and if pakistan remain same ...soon will loose kasmiris support for pak too .
Its never get a perfect economy and military for nation to respond but a strong will to respond .
People who thinks we shld strengthen our economy first , should know fact pakistan needs continous growth momentum of atleast more than 1 to 2 more decades to get economy comparable to india .
So whether wait for 2 decades or act now

I don't like option 1

Once we call UN, US & the West will enforce a cooling period of 5 years and get all their NGOs and color revolution experts on ground and play havoc.

Why should we give the keys to this decision to UN? We should just amend and add AJK & GB as provinces of Pakistan.

For the rest, it should be all of the above.

At the India's current path they will self implode

  • Kashmir is 100% Pakistani Territory ince 1947
  • Khalistan2020 referrendum is due in 2020 out of their own wish

The time has arrived for a possible Referendum in India for a new Muslim Country
Our moral support is with the Muslims inside India , if they decide to go the referendum route to exist alongside Sikh and Leave India and form a new country

The 50-60 Million Sikh are seeking a new country
It would make sense for 290 Million Muslims in India to seek a new country

Modi has already triggered the self destruct button

If they form a new country they will certainly be a welcomed brotherly country

India will disintegrate in the next 2-3 years.
 
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No, its not. According to UN resolution on jammu and Kashmir including gilgit-baltistan. Indian army needs to take control under UN observations then Referendum should be happened

If any changes on this act, will be caused of no use of this act. Even, UN will not be able to force India on about this resolution after this violation of act.
India will be very pleased and happy if Pakistan dlgo ahead with this solution
Read UN resolution first then post, referendum should be under UN or neutral observer and this for whole valley IOK+ our part of Kashmir, gilgit-baltistan is not included because its always separate culturally/heritage from Kashmir, and don't troll, Read the UN resolutions on Kashmir than talk
 
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Read UN resolution first then post, referendum should be under UN or neutral observer and this for whole valley IOK+ our part of Kashmir, gilgit-baltistan is not included because its always separate culturally/heritage from Kashmir, and don't troll, Read the UN resolutions on Kashmir than talk

Sir ji, I already have gone thru about UN resolution on Kashmir and who told you that Pak kashmir (Including gilgit balochistan) does not come under UN resolution?. Ok leave it- why you have so called separate PM for called Azad Pak Kashmir.

Also, in 1947- There was only one state that was called J&K (Including gilgit balochistan and China occupied parts).

The fact is resolution was rejected by both countries. Now, Pakistan is asking to apply on Indian held kashmir only. For me- it's a very funny and far from realistic.

Please read carefully:
Pakistan:
A. Restoration of peace and order
1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:
(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State;
(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following paragraphs provide
full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or party, to express their
views and to vote on the question of the accession of the State, and that therefore they should co-operate
in the maintenance of peace and order.

2. The Government of India should:
(a) When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the Council's
resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for the cessation of the
fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu and Kashmir and reducing them progressively to the minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the maintenance of law and order;
(b) Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of each stage;
(c) When the Indian forces have been reduced to the minimum strength mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following principles:
(i) That the presence of troops should not afford any intimidation or appearance of intimidation to the
inhabitants of the State;
(ii) That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;
(iii) That any reserve of troops which may be included in the total strength should be located within their
present base area.
3. The Government of India should agree that until such time as the Plebiscite Administration referred to
below finds it necessary to exercise the powers of direction and supervision over the State forces and police
provided for in paragraph 8, they will be held in areas to be agreed upon with the Plebiscite Administrator.
4. After the plan referred to in paragraph 2 (a) above has been put into operation, personnel recruited locally
in each district should so far as possible be utilized for the re-establishment and maintenance of law and
order with due regard to protection of minorities, subject to such additional requirements as may be specified
by the Plebiscite Administration referred to in paragraph 7.
5. If these local forces should be found to be inadequate, the Commission, subject to the agreement of both
the Government of India and the Government of Pakistan, should arrange for the use of such forces of either
Dominion as it deems effective for the purpose of pacification.
B. Plebiscite
6. The Government of India should undertake to ensure that the Government of the State invite the major
political groups to designate responsible representatives to share equitably and fully in the conduct of the
administration at the ministerial level while the plebiscite is being prepared and carried out.
7. The Government of India should undertake that there will be established in Jammu and Kashmir a Plebiscite
Administration to hold a plebiscite as soon as possible on the question of the accession of the State to India
or Pakistan.
8. The Government of India should undertake that there will be delegated by the State to the Plebiscite
Administration such powers as the latter considers necessary for holding a fair and impartial plebiscite
including, for that purpose only, the direction and supervision of the State forces and police.
9. The Government of India should, at the request of the Plebiscite Administration, make available from the
Indian forces such assistance as the Plebiscite Administration may require for the performance of its functions.
10. (a) The Government of India should agree that a nominee of the Secretary-General of the United Nations will
be appointed to be the Plebiscite Administrator.
(b) The Plebiscite Administrator, acting as an officer of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, should have
authority to nominate his assistants and other subordinates and to draft regulations governing the plebiscite.
Such nominees should be formally appointed and such draft regulations should be formally promulgated by the
State of Jammu and Kashmir.
(c) The Government of India should undertake that the Government of Jammu and Kashmir will appoint fully
qualified persons nominated by the Plebiscite Administrator to act as special magistrates within the State
judicial system to hear cases which in the opinion of the Plebiscite Administrator have a serious bearing on
the preparation for and the conduct of a free and impartial plebiscite.
(d) The terms of service of the Administrator should form the subject of a separate negotiation between the
Secretary-General of the United Nations and the Government of India. The Administrator should fix the terms
of service for his assistants and subordinates.
(e) The Administrator should have the right to communicate directly with the Government of the State and with
the Commission of the Security Council and, through the Commission, with the Security Council, with the
Governments of India and Pakistan and with their representatives with the Commission. It would be his duty
to bring to the notice of any or
all of the foregoing (as he in his discretion may decide) any circumstances arising which may tend, in his
opinion, to interfere with the freedom of the plebiscite.
11. The Government of India should undertake to prevent, and to give full support to the Administrator and
his staff in preventing, any threat, coercion or intimidation, bribery or other undue influence on the voters
in the plebiscite, and the Government of India should publicly announce and should cause the Government of
the State to announce this undertaking as an international obligation binding on all public authorities and
officials in Jammu and Kashmir.
12. The Government of India should themselves and through the Government of the State declare and make known
that all subjects of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, regardless of creed, caste or party, will be safe and
free in expressing their views and in voting on the question of the accession of the State and that there
will be freedom of the press, speech and assembly and freedom of travel in the State, including freedom of
lawful entry and exit.
13. The Government of India should use and should ensure that the Government of the State also use their
best endeavours to effect the withdrawal from the State of all Indian nationals other than those who are
normally resident therein or who on or since 15 August 1947 have entered it for a lawful purpose.
14. The Government of India should ensure that the Government of the State releases all political prisoners
and take all possible steps so that:
(a) All citizens of the State who have left it on account of disturbances are invited, and are free, to
return to their homes and to exercise their rights as such citizens;
(b) There is no victimization;
(c) Minorities in all parts of the State are accorded adequate protection.
15. The Commission of the Security Council should at the end of the plebiscite certify to the Council whether
the plebiscite has or has not been really free and impartial.
C. General provisions
16. The Governments of India and Pakistan should each be invited to nominate a representative to be attached
to the Commission for such assistance as it may require in the performance of its task.
17. The Commission should establish in Jammu and Kashmir such observers as it may require of any of the
proceedings in pursuance of the measures indicated in the foregoing paragraphs.
18. The Security Council Commission should carry out the tasks assigned to it herein.

http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/47
 
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Sir ji, I already have gone thru about UN resolution on Kashmir and who told you that Pak kashmir (Including gilgit balochistan) does not come under UN resolution?. Ok leave it- why you have so called separate PM for called Azad Pak Kashmir.

Also, in 1947- There was only one state that was called J&K (Including gilgit balochistan and China occupied parts).

The fact is resolution was rejected by both countries. Now, Pakistan is apply to Indian kashmir only. For me- it's a very funny and far from realistic.

Please read carefully:
Pakistan:
A. Restoration of peace and order
1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:
(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State;
(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following paragraphs provide
full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or party, to express their
views and to vote on the question of the accession of the State, and that therefore they should co-operate
in the maintenance of peace and order.

2. The Government of India should:
(a) When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the Council's
resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for the cessation of the
fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu and Kashmir and reducing them progressively to the minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the maintenance of law and order;
(b) Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of each stage;
(c) When the Indian forces have been reduced to the minimum strength mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following principles:
(i) That the presence of troops should not afford any intimidation or appearance of intimidation to the
inhabitants of the State;
(ii) That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;
(iii) That any reserve of troops which may be included in the total strength should be located within their
present base area.
3. The Government of India should agree that until such time as the Plebiscite Administration referred to
below finds it necessary to exercise the powers of direction and supervision over the State forces and police
provided for in paragraph 8, they will be held in areas to be agreed upon with the Plebiscite Administrator.
4. After the plan referred to in paragraph 2 (a) above has been put into operation, personnel recruited locally
in each district should so far as possible be utilized for the re-establishment and maintenance of law and
order with due regard to protection of minorities, subject to such additional requirements as may be specified
by the Plebiscite Administration referred to in paragraph 7.
5. If these local forces should be found to be inadequate, the Commission, subject to the agreement of both
the Government of India and the Government of Pakistan, should arrange for the use of such forces of either
Dominion as it deems effective for the purpose of pacification.
B. Plebiscite
6. The Government of India should undertake to ensure that the Government of the State invite the major
political groups to designate responsible representatives to share equitably and fully in the conduct of the
administration at the ministerial level while the plebiscite is being prepared and carried out.
7. The Government of India should undertake that there will be established in Jammu and Kashmir a Plebiscite
Administration to hold a plebiscite as soon as possible on the question of the accession of the State to India
or Pakistan.
8. The Government of India should undertake that there will be delegated by the State to the Plebiscite
Administration such powers as the latter considers necessary for holding a fair and impartial plebiscite
including, for that purpose only, the direction and supervision of the State forces and police.
9. The Government of India should, at the request of the Plebiscite Administration, make available from the
Indian forces such assistance as the Plebiscite Administration may require for the performance of its functions.
10. (a) The Government of India should agree that a nominee of the Secretary-General of the United Nations will
be appointed to be the Plebiscite Administrator.
(b) The Plebiscite Administrator, acting as an officer of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, should have
authority to nominate his assistants and other subordinates and to draft regulations governing the plebiscite.
Such nominees should be formally appointed and such draft regulations should be formally promulgated by the
State of Jammu and Kashmir.
(c) The Government of India should undertake that the Government of Jammu and Kashmir will appoint fully
qualified persons nominated by the Plebiscite Administrator to act as special magistrates within the State
judicial system to hear cases which in the opinion of the Plebiscite Administrator have a serious bearing on
the preparation for and the conduct of a free and impartial plebiscite.
(d) The terms of service of the Administrator should form the subject of a separate negotiation between the
Secretary-General of the United Nations and the Government of India. The Administrator should fix the terms
of service for his assistants and subordinates.
(e) The Administrator should have the right to communicate directly with the Government of the State and with
the Commission of the Security Council and, through the Commission, with the Security Council, with the
Governments of India and Pakistan and with their representatives with the Commission. It would be his duty
to bring to the notice of any or
all of the foregoing (as he in his discretion may decide) any circumstances arising which may tend, in his
opinion, to interfere with the freedom of the plebiscite.
11. The Government of India should undertake to prevent, and to give full support to the Administrator and
his staff in preventing, any threat, coercion or intimidation, bribery or other undue influence on the voters
in the plebiscite, and the Government of India should publicly announce and should cause the Government of
the State to announce this undertaking as an international obligation binding on all public authorities and
officials in Jammu and Kashmir.
12. The Government of India should themselves and through the Government of the State declare and make known
that all subjects of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, regardless of creed, caste or party, will be safe and
free in expressing their views and in voting on the question of the accession of the State and that there
will be freedom of the press, speech and assembly and freedom of travel in the State, including freedom of
lawful entry and exit.
13. The Government of India should use and should ensure that the Government of the State also use their
best endeavours to effect the withdrawal from the State of all Indian nationals other than those who are
normally resident therein or who on or since 15 August 1947 have entered it for a lawful purpose.
14. The Government of India should ensure that the Government of the State releases all political prisoners
and take all possible steps so that:
(a) All citizens of the State who have left it on account of disturbances are invited, and are free, to
return to their homes and to exercise their rights as such citizens;
(b) There is no victimization;
(c) Minorities in all parts of the State are accorded adequate protection.
15. The Commission of the Security Council should at the end of the plebiscite certify to the Council whether
the plebiscite has or has not been really free and impartial.
C. General provisions
16. The Governments of India and Pakistan should each be invited to nominate a representative to be attached
to the Commission for such assistance as it may require in the performance of its task.
17. The Commission should establish in Jammu and Kashmir such observers as it may require of any of the
proceedings in pursuance of the measures indicated in the foregoing paragraphs.
18. The Security Council Commission should carry out the tasks assigned to it herein.

http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/47
and where its states that UN observers will be under IA supervisory
 
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and where its states that UN observers will be under IA supervisory

Read carefully please and try to understand:
2. The Government of India should:
(a) When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the Council's
resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for the cessation of the
fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu and Kashmir and reducing them progressively to the minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the maintenance of law and order;
(b) Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of each stage;
(c) When the Indian forces have been reduced to the minimum strength mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following principles:
(i) That the presence of troops should not afford any intimidation or appearance of intimidation to the
inhabitants of the State;

(ii) That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;
(iii) That any reserve of troops which may be included in the total strength should be located within their

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Means, resolution is only valid when above things to follow. if any change means violation and no use and invalid.

Already- I believed that UN resolution have already gone to dustbin and no use. It is like now "Political drama episodes with new actors and brand new masala "
 
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Read carefully please and try to understand:
2. The Government of India should:
(a) When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the Council's
resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for the cessation of the
fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu and Kashmir and reducing them progressively to the minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the maintenance of law and order;
(b) Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of each stage;
(c) When the Indian forces have been reduced to the minimum strength mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following principles:
(i) That the presence of troops should not afford any intimidation or appearance of intimidation to the
inhabitants of the State;

(ii) That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;
(iii) That any reserve of troops which may be included in the total strength should be located within their
Read carefully it IA reduce its numbers to minimal, and don't twist the words of UN
 
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After 5 august 2019 , pakistan needs new future strategy regarding kashmir .
Pleas feel free to share your opinion .
Some options in my humble opnion .
1: Referendum in Azad kashmir / gilgit-baltistan under UN observers and make it another province of Pakistan according to UN resolution.
That won't force India necessarily. The original UNSC resolution is a bit different. You can argue that conditions are now different but due to politics in UN, it will be hard to get a new resolution passed. Not to mention, India will make claims that Pakistan has changed the demographics. That said this is the most practical option that you have mentioned. Though be forwarned, if a significant portion come out with "Independence" as a choice, you will be in a bad situation. They don't need to be majority. Just significant like 5-10%. Right now Kashmiri don't know how many are supporting the idea of independence in Pakistan-Administered-Kashmir. If that becomes public, it can be drummed up later too.

2: shift from aggressive diplomacy to aggressive strategy of destablising India and putting immense pressure in occupied kashmir .
Won't work and will back fire. It will lead to a military confrontation with India, most likely some sanctions and a rehash of everything that has happened till now.

3 : Supporting legitimate Armed struggle according UN rules of freedom fight in occupied kashmir . From providing weapons to manpower.
Same as 2. Plus how will you prove that it is freedom struggle in the first place? Does majority of UN members accept that it is a freedom struggle? I doubt. Not to mention, the civilian killings by Kashmiri militants de-legitimize their movement. Same thing happened to Sikh movements in Canada when they bombed a flight. Today most sikhs at least in Canada maintain distance from armed resistance option for the very same reason. I doubt in UN you will be able to get traction on legitimizing an armed rebellion.

4 : Break all diplomatic relations with india and put aggressive diplomacy among arab countries to put pressure on India , Remember its not one way traffic relation with arabs they giving us ecomony peanuts in return they are getting military support . So withdraw that support if they dont stand with us . Strengthen relatiins with qatar turkey and malaysia .
Wont work. Wealthy muslim nations of gulf are very much interested in keeping their business relations intact with India.

5 .start Limited low to high intesity war in kashmir to seek the attention of World community .
Thats 2019 all over again. Infact that is what is happening now. Artillery Bombardment. The only place left to escalate is airforce or navy. Will lead to a swift show down and diplomatic pressure will force you and India to go to same situation once more.

Now or never .
Otherwise it would be too late , already lost occupied kashmir and if pakistan remain same ...soon will loose kasmiris support for pak too .
Not necessarily, there are many ways to muster support from people. At worst, Kashmiri will think right now that Pakistan is weak vis-a-vis India. That is not necessarily a bad thing. It will temper expectations in future. Later when India makes a mistake and you are strong, you can suddenly drum up support.

Its never get a perfect economy and military for nation to respond but a strong will to respond .
People who thinks we shld strengthen our economy first , should know fact pakistan needs continous growth momentum of atleast more than 1 to 2 more decades to get economy comparable to india .
So whether wait for 2 decades or act now
Most of time, you want to let your enemy make a fatal mistake and then act. You need to have enough strength to act. A perfect storm of massive civil instability, political indecisiveness and military weakness can be exploited. A couple of years of economic depression, law and order situation coupled with a misadventure against China could create the right kind of situation for you to take action. Keep your powder dry till then.
 
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After 5 august 2019 , pakistan needs new future strategy regarding kashmir .
Pleas feel free to share your opinion .
Some options in my humble opnion .
1: Referendum in Azad kashmir / gilgit-baltistan under UN observers and make it another province of Pakistan according to UN resolution.
2: shift from aggressive diplomacy to aggressive strategy of destablising India and putting immense pressure in occupied kashmir .
3 : Supporting legitimate Armed struggle according UN rules of freedom fight in occupied kashmir . From providing weapons to manpower.
4 : Break all diplomatic relations with india and put aggressive diplomacy among arab countries to put pressure on India , Remember its not one way traffic relation with arabs they giving us ecomony peanuts in return they are getting military support . So withdraw that support if they dont stand with us . Strengthen relatiins with qatar turkey and malaysia .
5 .start Limited low to high intesity war in kashmir to seek the attention of World community .

Now or never .
Otherwise it would be too late , already lost occupied kashmir and if pakistan remain same ...soon will loose kasmiris support for pak too .
Its never get a perfect economy and military for nation to respond but a strong will to respond .
People who thinks we shld strengthen our economy first , should know fact pakistan needs continous growth momentum of atleast more than 1 to 2 more decades to get economy comparable to india .
So whether wait for 2 decades or act now
Fuel the uprising and force India to attack us and then we take Kashmir. Thats the only thing we can do
 
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Read carefully it IA reduce its numbers to minimal, and don't twist the words of UN

Yes, it does mean that Pakistan army have to leave from Pak kashmir, gilgit-Balichstan and handover to Indian army. Therefore, India need to maintain the minimal force to maintain law and order in entire Jammu and kashmir (Pak kashmir, gilgit-Balichstan) then referendum will happen under UN observation.

But the fact is that both countries rejected the resolution during that time. Now, after 70 years if someone talk to apply in only side than do you think, it does make any sense?

The same reason- International community does not care about Kashmir and UN resolution is dead.

But- it is being used a Political drama which plays by politicians.
 
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2: shift from aggressive diplomacy to aggressive strategy of destablising India and putting immense pressure in occupied kashmir .
3: Supporting legitimate Armed struggle according UN rules of freedom fight in occupied kashmir . From providing weapons to manpower.
Starting any war in kashmir will lead to expulsion of 1 crore kashmiri and nearby muslims into Pakistan at the minimum. So, unless Pakistan is willing to handle that refugees, it is advisable to not do anything like this

4 : Break all diplomatic relations with india and put aggressive diplomacy among arab countries to put pressure on India , Remember its not one way traffic relation with arabs they giving us ecomony peanuts in return they are getting military support . So withdraw that support if they dont stand with us . Strengthen relatiins with qatar turkey and malaysia .
5 .start Limited low to high intesity war in kashmir to seek the attention of World community
Arab countries need India as India hosts 20 crore muslims whom if expelled can cause chaos in Arab region. Arabs don't have water and a massive refugee crisis will only lead to complete annihilation. So, Arabs are paying India as a rent payment for muslims in India. Unless Arabs can find another way of relocating muslims, Arabs are forced to pay India. Even Qatar is with India in this matter and won't go against India. Turkey & Malaysia are useless countries. They have no clout and India does not care about them.

The time has arrived for a possible Referendum in India for a new Muslim Country
Our moral support is with the Muslims inside India , if they decide to go the referendum route to exist alongside Sikh and Leave India and form a new country
Then that will mean expulsion of 20 crore muslims into Pakistan. Simple as that. Now, you can keep muslims in your country and enjoy. India hardly has any reason to even tolerate muslims to exist except as payment for petroleum supply, let alone allow them to have a new country.

The 50-60 Million Sikh are seeking a new country
The total number of Sikhs in the world are 2.5 crore and in India it is 2.3 crore. Where did extra 2.5-3.5 crore come from? Secondly, if there is a Khalistan, it should be in Lahore, not India. So, it is stupid to think that Pakistan will not be the first vicitim.
 
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Yes, it does mean that Pakistan army have to leave from Pak kashmir, gilgit-Balichstan and handover to Indian army. Therefore, India need to maintain the minimal force to maintain law and order in entire Jammu and kashmir (Pak kashmir, gilgit-Balichstan) then referendum will happen under UN observation.

But the fact is that both countries rejected the resolution during that time. Now, after 70 years if someone talk to apply in only side than do you think, it does make any sense?

The same reason- International community does not care about Kashmir and UN resolution is dead.

But- it is being used a Political drama which plays by politicians.
Don't troll UN resolution for whole Kashmir not only for our part of Kashmir and gilgit batistan, and when these UN resolutions state that PA leave and hand over to IA then that referendum will be not neutral, and if you captured our part Kashmir why do you need a referendum that's the pathetic logic, and you giving wrong definitions UN resolutions says both IA/ and PA will withdraw to minimal strength so fair and neutral referendum will be held on both IOK/ AZAD KASHMIR
 
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No, its not. According to UN resolution on jammu and Kashmir including gilgit-baltistan. Indian army needs to take control under UN observations then Referendum should be happened

If any changes on this act, will be caused of no use of this act. Even, UN will not be able to force India on about this resolution after this violation of act.
India will be very pleased and happy if Pakistan dlgo ahead with this solution


We are not here to discuss Bollywood dreams.

Go and read your so called resolutions instead of interpreting them in a dumb way and actually believing it.

Don't troll UN resolution for whole Kashmir not only for our part of Kashmir and gilgit batistan, and when these UN resolutions state that PA leave and hand over to IA then that referendum will be not neutral, and if you captured our part Kashmir why do you need a referendum that's the pathetic logic, and you giving wrong definitions UN resolutions says both IA/ and PA will withdraw to minimal strength so fair and neutral referendum will be held on both IOK/ AZAD KASHMIR



He's another dumb modi godi mind trying to project his bollywood logic onto the reality of things.
Do they teach education other than bollywood over there anymore?
 
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