Strategic Moves from TSK...

[xxxKULxxx]

@xenon54

Mate, listen carefully what she says today from ;

 

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Mate, listen carefully what she says today from ;

Kardes bunu bende destekliyorum, TSKnin yurtisi operasyonlari bizim gururumuz, yani tek dedigim Türkiyede dis politikasinda kendi cikarini düsünüyor, olmasi gerekende budur, önce kendimize bakmaliyiz.
Tabi bazi ülkelerle olan bagimiz baska, onlari karistirmiyorum.

 

[xxxKULxxx]

Kardes bunu bende destekliyorum, TSKnin yurtisi operasyonlari bizim gururumuz, yani tek dedigim Türkiyede dis politikasinda kendi cikarini düsünüyor, olmasi gerekende budur, önce kendimize bakmaliyiz.
Tabi bazi ülkelerle olan bagimiz baska, onlari karistirmiyorum.

Aynen dediğin gibi... Zaten işte biz de çıkarlarımızı bu yolla, ülkelerle halklarıyla iyi ililşkiler kurarak inşa ediyoruz. Bu batının çıkarlarını doymak bilmez, sömürü politikalarıyla inşa etmesi kısa vadede onlara maddi anlamda geri döndü ama uzun vadede bizim yaptığımız hem maddi hem de manevi geri dönecek... Hem ilişki kurduğumuz ülkeler ve halkları bundan faydalanacak hem de biz.. Yani moda tabiriyle win-win olayı... Ama batı naptı yıllarca ? " hep ama hep ben win ama sen hep lose "... İşte bu ülkelere bu gariban insanlara yaptıklarının hesabını çok fena ödeyecekler... Bu batının dostu bişeyi yok... "Sen misin on yıllarca bizi kandırıp sömüren, bizi katleden, bizi birbirimize düşürüp öldürten ve bizim kanımızla bizim varlıklarımızla lüks hayatlar süren" diyecekler... Hatta diyorlar da güçleri yok bunu apaçık söylemeye...

Bu insanlar onlara böyle yaklaştığımız için bize her türlü imkanı sağlayacaklar... Bizi ellerinden geldiğince destekleyecekler... Biz de onları destekleyeceğiz ve yardımcı olacağız... Onların topraklarına dostluk, yardımseverlik vs. gibi iyi şeylerle elimizi kolumuzu sallaya sallaya gireceğiz... Zaten girdik giriyoruz.. Kan emici batı gibi silahlarla veya ordularla değil... Oralarda silahla korunmaya da ihtiyaç duymayacağız çünkü oradaki ilişkilerimizi iyilik üzerine kuracağız, kuruyoruz da zaten... Bu batının yaptıklarından bu insanlara gına geldi, iliklerini kuruttu batı bunların...

Yani Afrika buna bi örnek tabi... Büyük bi örnek ama örnek...

Bu batı bunu dünyanın her tarafında yaptı... İleriyi göremedi, aç gözlü oldu, aceleci oldu... Bu onlara fena patlayacak...

 

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@xxxKULxxx dediklerine katiliyorum ama sirf bati degil, Rusya orta asyada ve Cin ise Afrikada aynisini yapiyor.
Bu dünya senin benim hesabini yapanlarin dünyasi...

 

[xxxKULxxx]

@xxxKULxxx dediklerine katiliyorum ama sirf bati degil, Rusya orta asyada ve Cin ise Afrikada aynisini yapiyor.
Bu dünya senin benim hesabini yapanlarin dünyasi...

Dediklerin tamamen gerçek... Ama batı ve senin saydıkların sadece 'para'yı baz alarak hareket ediyorlar... Ama 'insan' unsurunu 'para' unsurundan ayrı değerlendirirsen ve birini diğeri için katledersen işte o zaman anlarsın ki bu 'para' denilen şey 'insan' olmadan düşünüldüğünde sadece bir kağıttır, gücü 0(sıfır)'dır... 'insan bitti mi az bir zaman sonra para da biter ama insan var oldukça para da var olmaya devam eder, insan paranın varlığını ve paranın sürekliliğini sağlar...İşte o 'insan' 'paracı taraf'a karşı ayağa kalktı mı o 'para'yı alır...

İşte o yüzden asıl güç 'insan' ve biz 'insan'ın yanındayız... Haa bu paraya engel mi ? Elbette hayır... Mesele dediğim gibi batı gibi "'insan' unsurunu 'para' unsurundan ayrı değerlendirmek ve birini diğeri için katletmek" değil de bizim gibi 'insan' ve 'para'yı eşgüdüm içinde ve dosthane bir şekilde işletirsen, insanın para için değil paranın insan için var olduğunu, insansız paranın hiçbir şey olmadığını bilir ve bu yolda hareket edersek uzun vadede bunun dönüşü hem para hem de insan dönüşü olur...

Mesela şu da var... Bu gün millet Afrika'da açlıktan ölüyor... Şimdi batı bunlardan para kazanabilir mi ? Mümkün değil... Adam bi damla su bulamıyor...

Ama Afrika'nın ekonomisi falan iyi olsa ve onlarla iyi ilişki kurmuş olsa batı, para kazanmaz mı ticaretle vs... Doğru düzgün alış verişle... Çok daha fazlasını kazanır... Ama sen katlet o insanları, adamların gözlerinin feri gitsin sen o Afrika'dan kuruş kazanamazsın... Para diye bişe kalmamış ki Afrika'da...

Ama biz diyoruz ki Afrika da kazansın biz de...

Tabi batı için geçti Bor'un pazarı sür eşşeği Niğde'ye... Gerçi Niğde de bırakmadılar... Gidecek yerleri yok... Belki de o yüzden uzaylı arıyorlar...

 

[LegionnairE]

@LegionnairE

Maybe US want some info about China's army.

No... I don't think so

China's military drills aren't much of a secret, and I'm pretty sure US has more intelligence on them than whatever we can gather.

I don't think this will go on for long anyway.

 

[Hakan]

Turkey's Naval Reach (It mostly talks about the area around somalia and yemen)
The article was written in 2012

Turkey is building up its navy through a maturing indigenous shipbuilding industry, substantial investments and additional purchases. It is also modernizing its amphibious capabilities. These trends further expand the role and future capabilities of what is already the most powerful navy in the Middle East and North Africa. As the Turkish navy grows, it will likely be increasingly tasked to regional and global operations. Still, extended Turkish naval forays have so far been rather unambitious and limited to NATO or other international efforts.

Since 2009, the Turkish naval presence in the Gulf of Aden has been as a member of the international counterpiracy mission Combined Task Force 151, and in January the Turkish parliament extended its participation in the mission for another year. The Turks rotate frigates into the region and maintain an almost permanent presence.

Turkey's limited naval presence helps the navy practice long-distance operations in a multinational setting and has promoted the recognition of Turkey as a rising regional power. However, Turkey's ability to increase its influence in the Gulf of Aden has primarily come as a result of political and economic developments. Turkey has not yet sought port options in Yemen or Somalia, and the large U.S. and NATO presence in the Gulf region limits the need for a larger Turkish naval presence. But the United States may look to reduce its role there in the long term, possibly by scaling down its naval presence in the waters off the southern Arabian Peninsula.

Turkey may view the port at Berbera as a potential option for expanding its naval presence and may be laying the groundwork now by establishing ties with Somalia and Somaliland that would be beneficial in the future. The port of Aden could also become an option if it is secured.

Another aspect of the Turkish navy's future presence in the Gulf of Aden will be Ankara's relationship with Cairo. Right now the two are allies and share several common foreign policy goals. In the long term, however, they are natural rivals. Turkey's naval strategy to project power all the way to the Horn of Africa and the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula depends on access to the Suez Canal and, by extension, at least a working relationship with Egypt.

This article is from STRATFOR (I dont have a link because it comes in an email.)

 

[xxxKULxxx]

Turkey's Naval Reach (It mostly talks about the area around somalia and yemen)
The article was written in 2012

Turkey is building up its navy through a maturing indigenous shipbuilding industry, substantial investments and additional purchases. It is also modernizing its amphibious capabilities. These trends further expand the role and future capabilities of what is already the most powerful navy in the Middle East and North Africa. As the Turkish navy grows, it will likely be increasingly tasked to regional and global operations. Still, extended Turkish naval forays have so far been rather unambitious and limited to NATO or other international efforts.

Since 2009, the Turkish naval presence in the Gulf of Aden has been as a member of the international counterpiracy mission Combined Task Force 151, and in January the Turkish parliament extended its participation in the mission for another year. The Turks rotate frigates into the region and maintain an almost permanent presence.

Turkey's limited naval presence helps the navy practice long-distance operations in a multinational setting and has promoted the recognition of Turkey as a rising regional power. However, Turkey's ability to increase its influence in the Gulf of Aden has primarily come as a result of political and economic developments. Turkey has not yet sought port options in Yemen or Somalia, and the large U.S. and NATO presence in the Gulf region limits the need for a larger Turkish naval presence. But the United States may look to reduce its role there in the long term, possibly by scaling down its naval presence in the waters off the southern Arabian Peninsula.

Turkey may view the port at Berbera as a potential option for expanding its naval presence and may be laying the groundwork now by establishing ties with Somalia and Somaliland that would be beneficial in the future. The port of Aden could also become an option if it is secured.

Another aspect of the Turkish navy's future presence in the Gulf of Aden will be Ankara's relationship with Cairo. Right now the two are allies and share several common foreign policy goals. In the long term, however, they are natural rivals. Turkey's naval strategy to project power all the way to the Horn of Africa and the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula depends on access to the Suez Canal and, by extension, at least a working relationship with Egypt.

This article is from STRATFOR (I dont have a link because it comes in an email.)

@Kaan @xenon54

 

[Hakan]

as of now we have 1 milgem that is gone to africa, 2 frigates gone to africa, 1 replenishment ship gone to africa, and 1 frigate is now in Qatar. What are your opinions on this considering the current situation in Ukraine?

 

[usernameless]

as of now we have 1 milgem that is gone to africa, 2 frigates gone to africa, 1 replenishment ship gone to africa, and 1 frigate is now in Qatar. What are your opinions on this considering the current situation in Ukraine?

was there a valid reason to go to war anyway? Only if Russians attempt to do something stupid, then we might have a problem, but Russia has achieved what it wanted, it will not want to spill its gains due unnecessary aggression in the black sea. what do you expect then? that Russia will see this situation as an opportunity and start something against Turkey?

 

[Hakan]

was there a valid reason to go to war anyway? Only if Russians attempt to do something stupid, then we might have a problem, but Russia has achieved what it wanted, it will not want to spill its gains due unnecessary aggression in the black sea. what do you expect then? that Russia will see this situation as an opportunity and start something against Turkey?

Im saying if some other country in NATO does something stupid and then we are sucked in without our full navy at hand. Perhaps not having the whole navy at homeis smarter because it shows russia that we are not a threat to them.

 

[usernameless]

Im saying if some other country in NATO does something stupid and then we are sucked in without our full navy at hand. Perhaps not having the whole navy at homeis smarter because it shows russia that we are not a threat to them.

i never thought about a nato country doing something against Russia, because it just doesn;t seem realistic with many nato countries already divided, financial problems, risk of escalations. won't happen. plus, if a nato countries attacks, it cannot invoke articles 4 and 5, right? i thought it's only possible to do so in cases of self-defense, or am i wrong?

 

[Hakan]

Turkish armed forces general staff chief to arrive in Baku​

The chief of the Turkish armed forces general staff, General Necdet Ozel will make an official visit to Azerbaijan tomorrow, according to Azerbaijani Defense Ministry.

It is scheduled that during the visit the guest will have a meeting at the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry.

The visit will last till April 4.

Turkish armed forces general staff chief to arrive in Baku
- Trend.Az

 

[Hakan]

Its actually interesting to see the Navy interacting with African and Arab nations. We have the the Barbaros Group touring Africa, we just sent a frigate to qatar and also one visited kuwait. Now the head of the Turkish Navy just met with the head of the Omani and Somali navies. I wonder what the grand strategy behind all of this is. Are we just trying to sell weapons or are we trying to regain our past influence in these regions?

Bilateral ties reviewed with Turkish Navy commander | Oman Observer
Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanı Oramiral Bostanoğlu'na Somalili Misafir

 

[usernameless]

Its actually interesting to see the Navy interacting with African and Arab nations. We have the the Barbaros Group touring Africa, we just sent a frigate to qatar and also one visited kuwait. Now the head of the Turkish Navy just met with the head of the Omani and Somali navies. I wonder what the grand strategy behind all of this is. Are we just trying to sell weapons or are we trying to regain our past influence in these regions?

Bilateral ties reviewed with Turkish Navy commander | Oman Observer
Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanı Oramiral Bostanoğlu'na Somalili Misafir

imo Both. It's good to have some influence there and to steal a portion of the 'market share' from other powers who are there. it's part of our soft power. No matter what, it's better than staying idle and allowing others a relative easier time there.