Stimson Center: Pakistani/Indian experts discuss future conflict in Kashmir

[macnurv]

lets see, it will happen soon. 2020 or 2021. Then we can debate it was limited or not. In my guess it will be very limited. First mover will annex other.

You have to be completely oblivious to ground realities to make such a statement, there wont be any surprises or limited war. This whole limited war concept is coming from Indian military planners who cant tell A from B's of war, but if you want to believe this nonsense narrative, by my guest.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

You have to be completely oblivious to ground realities to make such a statement, there wont be any surprises or limited war. This whole limited war concept is coming from Indian military planners who can tell A from B's of war, but if you want to believe this nonsense narrative, by my guest.

Someone tell her removing a law from an area under your control for 70 years is different from taking a territory from your enemy which is under their control for last 70 years.

 

[Nancy]

Excellent analysis. Fully agree.

I dont think it will happen soon. by 2021-22, once India get s400, Rafale already moving in. In that case equation might change a lot.

 

[SIPRA]

Any kind of war between India and Pakistan will not remain limited, it will consume us all. And those who die during it would be the lucky ones because those who survive it, for them it will be a never ending nightmare.

Indians, in their fake sense of supremacy and arrogance, are not ready to accept, what you are saying. Though, I fail to understand that why India didn't go all out, after what happened to them on Feb 27; if an extensive war with Pakistan is so easy and simple matter.

 

[Nancy]

You have to be completely oblivious to ground realities to make such a statement, there wont be any surprises or limited war. This whole limited war concept is coming from Indian military planners who cant tell A from B's of war, but if you want to believe this nonsense narrative, by my guest.

Balakot was limited one. if Indian provide land route to Afgan, Pentagon will support them, game might change then. In fact peace deal was called off, now i suspect. Pentagon is not leaving Afgan for another decade.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Balakot was limited one. if Indian provide land route to Afgan, Pentagon will support them, game might change then. In fact peace deal was called off, now i susp

Russia and China already want US out of their backyard. If US gets involved in Kashmir you will see both Russia and China jumping in.

 

[Nancy]

We are already in Afgan since 2001. I dont see any Russia and China.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

We are already in Afgan since 2001. I dont see any Russia and China.

What was the condition of both China and Russia during 2001-2010?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

They did Balakot and IOK annex very recently. That is why this thread.


I dont think so. Nuclear bluff is called many time. Other countries dont care as bluff was called already.

I think ISI need to predict the time very accurately. If timing slips Indian might take large piece of Azad Kashmir, then White house will call for truce. But too late for Pakistan. This is what happened in IOK annex.

So indians capturing their OWN territory; lying in front of the world of having killed exactly 300 terrorists in Balakot and shooting down an F-16; then having their own fighter jets shot down by an enemy that is more than 7× smaller than india is evidence of india being able to do something against Pakistan????????........WTF!!!!!!!!!..................indian retardation at it's best...............

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Muslims have oil. India will lose oil supply if it attacks a muslim country like Pakistan directly. Hence,the calm behaviour. There ia no weakness inherently as such

Sure sure. As if they care..................too many lame excuses as too why india is too weak, powerless and pathetic to even compete with the Pakistan military let alone take it on even though india is more than 7× bigger than Pakistan.................

Delusion had brought the country bankruptcy and isolation among their own brothers. Its not too late.

So says the person whose race and nation is the biggest open sewer in the WHOLE world which also contains the greatest number of severely malnourished and extreme poor...............:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...-third-of-worlds-poorest-says-World-Bank.html

https://m.telegraphindia.com/india/streanh-in-numbers/cid/1684099


https://www.mic.com/articles/89515/...rty-in-india-can-their-new-leader-change-that

https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/half-world-s-poor-live-just-5-countries


The above is evidence of india being more severely underdeveloped and bankrupt than Pakistan could ever be. This is the result of indians having a lower racial IQ than that of the Pakistani race............:

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html


The above also explains why india cannot even compete with let alone take on the Pakistani military despite being more than 7× bigger than Pakistan........

india needs to be VERY careful. In a war NO-ONE can save india from being battered and destroyed by Pakistan. It is pathetic india is in this situation despite being more than 7× bigger than Pakistan....... ........

 

[newb3e]

our ganrails talk big in Pakistani media but are all cute and peaceful infront of indias!

 

[Psychic]

Indian Army has the capability to surprise us and they have done it on many occasions, for example, 65 and Kargil. Simla agreement was torn into pieces in actual terms when Siachen happened. It stands void. But fact of the matter is, as Brig. Feroz rightly mentioned, Indians do have the higher ground at LoC. I wanted to discuss the technical grounds here.

It is not 84 or 99 anymore. Siachen was undemarcated, it wasn't ours. There was no military presence in that region.

We surprised them multiple times , you conveniently ignored Dalumang operation where we still have 24 posts on their side of the LOC.

 

[Crusher]

The people representing Pakistan in this panel are some of the finest intellectuals you have from this country. It wasn't a debate, if Indians are being petty, doesn't mean you have to be too. Blind nationalism is the death of logic.

The Pakistani representatives in these think tanks are just usual mummy daddy type folks, they don't represent the mindset of a common Pakistani. On the other hand indians representatives are always the common people of india, very rarely you will see a "mummy daddy" type indian representing india in any kind of think tanks.

In Pakistani mummy daddy kanjars call themselves liberals these days, a donkey remains a donkey whether its calls itself a "donkey", "gadha" or "khota". Pakistani mummy daddy type of kanjars will remain mummy daddy kanjars, it will not change anything about them if they call themselves liberal shiberal or any other POS nomenclature.

 

[Xestan]

You had me agreeing with you for most of your posts till you uttered these gems. Here is the thing it seems to me that you had been watching too many Indian analysis and reading those written by Indians. Indian Army is incapable of surprising Pakistan and its armed forces, now I am no nationalist or some one believing in baseless superiority myths but my opinion is based on ground realities. Indian army is currently incapable of taking part in any extended battle or full scale war, they are not ready for it. Pravin Swahney had written extensively on this topic, and he is no dove. What he is stating is based on facts on the ground, but I am not discounting the idea that Indians wont attack us. As things get bad in India economically and politically Modi and Amit along with whole Military high command might launch an attack on Azad Kashmir, such an attack will be based on a major miscalculation on their part.

Because from what I am reading as being written in India, they are severely underestimating our abilities and overly estimating their capabilities, the repercussions of Balakot are still alive and well in their minds so unless they have built some more capabilities they wont be attacking us.

Now lets look at it from another angle, what will India do once if the war will not go as per their plans, what if they start to loose IOK territory to Pakistan, what is the guarantee that they wont try to open another front along the border or worse launch missiles at Pakistan. If that is to happen it will be an all out Nuclear war, because there is no guarantee that Indians wont be the first ones launching nukes, we just can not take that chance. I am not saying these words lightly, it will be the end of us, them and humanity as we know it if this happens, but I am afraid Indian leadership is too arrogant and over confident to understand this fact.

The history proves the Indian Army has been able to surprise us, first when they crossed the border at Lahore in 65 and for tens of KMs there was no resistance and Air Force engaged them. Secondly, the surprise at Kargil was Bofors and then CAP by the IAF.

So, lets respectfully discuss this, you have presented some valid points, but the problem is, there's no sane leadership in India anymore. We are talking about a hawk who rules India now, we had the same argument going around before Balakot, but they did strike our main land. So, lets not underestimate their ability to do stupid things. A limited war at the LoC is very much possible and I agree with Brig. Feroz here.

It is not 84 or 99 anymore. Siachen was undemarcated, it wasn't ours. There was no military presence in that region.

We surprised them multiple times , you conveniently ignored Dalumang operation where we still have 24 posts on their side of the LOC.

While you're at it. Get a map Military map from NLI and search for Point 5310 and 5070 and ask someone who occupies it and what does it mean.

The Pakistani representatives in these think tanks are just usual mummy daddy type folks, they don't represent the mindset of a common Pakistani. On the other hand indians representatives are always the common people of india, very rarely you will see a "mummy daddy" type indian representing india in any kind of think tanks.

In Pakistani mummy daddy kanjars call themselves liberals these days, a donkey remains a donkey whether its calls itself a "donkey", "gadha" or "khota". Pakistani mummy daddy type of kanjars will remain mummy daddy kanjars, it will not change anything about them if they call themselves liberal shiberal or any other POS nomenclature.

Yeah, you guys deserve someone like Zaid Hamid to represent you. He'd have definitely answered the Indian panellist with Ghazwa-e-Hind theory.

 

[Crusher]

Yeah, you guys deserve someone like Zaid Hamid to represent you. He'd have definitely answered the Indian panellist with Ghazwa-e-Hind theory.

You need to go to my ignore list, bye bya ta ta