Status difference between India & Pakistan - Highlighted by Pak Media

[FunkyGen]

I think biggest Different is we(indian) put Nation before religion.

Best line ever, and RELIGION SUCKS!!!!

 

[That Guy]

There are two things sir we need to be clear off. Previously i was having the same debate with @Contrarian and he did pointed out that they do criticize and also how can they fix things up but within their own and not in front of others. Pakistanis on the other hand like to criticize every body else including the country and Quaid-e-Azam but themselves. They have every body else to blame but not look at themselves.

As for the country being run by elites, who is responsible for that? Again its the people who cant think out of the box and like to bring the same status quo parties back to power who had done absolutely nothing. When Zardari was brought in, people said we voted for BB, while BB was up in the heavens for all we know, so who is to be blamed here country or people?

The nations you are quoting above did become successful not by just criticizing but actually doing something for a change. Think about the dark ages, the French revolution and how it changed every thing. Just like you said its not going to happen by sitting on your butts but we Pakistanis are doing exactly the same sitting on our butts doing nothing but criticizing.

It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

I think the word you're looking for is blame, not criticize, that is where the confusion comes from. Of course Pakistanis have a tendency to blame others, but criticizing the country is important. In the US, there is a love and admiration for their founding fathers, but everyone recognizes that the fathers of the United States were all slave owners. It's a fallacy to say that because Pakistanis blame others, that they don't recognize that their own faults.

The people are poor, and under-educated, so they're easily lead astray. People with money can easily come and sway opinions of the masses, by promising a better life, this isn't unique to Pakistan, as it happens all over the world. The Zardari example doesn't really fit, as BB's death was sudden, and people on mass are easily led by their emotions, rather than rational thinking. It was a one off, and I don't expect it to happen again.

Pakistanis are NOT sitting on their butts at all, if they were, we'd still have Musharraf in power, if they were, Pakistan would have already been disbanded as a nation. Instead, it has grown and is becoming a true democracy, because people are starting to become more politically aware.

 

[FunkyGen]

Why is it most Pak national news channels are in hindi and not english?Most public figures in Pakistan speaks hindi and not english,is there any Pak news channel that is in english,like we have NDTV and Times Now in India.

It's Urdu btw.....? What are yo trying to imply here?

 

[Nike]

In india tht would have resulted in sedition charges...



We have had war on terror,massive earthquake and 2 major biblical floods and a shitty economy... you think you had it tough?

If you can't advanced from your current or past situation (or in other words, if you feel the Pakistan is doing worst today than yesterday), then those challenges has not been met with adequate responses from your people. Instead of blaming the others for your sorry conditions today, you must reflect it and starting to question yourself what is wrong with our acts, our solutions and what we can do for a better tomorrow. All of the countries who had a destiny to become a great countries always doing that kind of self introspection, Japan, USA, Germany, UK, France, China, South Korea all of them have passing their examination and successfully found their own answer for their respective country. My Indonesia too, we are trying to getting a hold in our way, and starting to found our answer.

 

[That Guy]

Best line ever, and RELIGION SUCKS!!!!

I don't think the two are at conflict, nor do they have to be. This fallacy of putting on over the other is the type of thinking that needs to be dispelled. You don't have to give one priority over the other.

 

[Bombaywalla]

That quote is absolutely correct my friend . When I was a kid , I used to hate this country and always used to compare it with the facilities of the US of A .
I got an opportunity to work in Europe and grabbed it with both hands . Trust me dude it was the biggest blunder of my life . I was always a western kind of guy and hated Indians , maybe I had a very very big ego . After some time I couldn't stop thinking about the unforgettable moments I had in my motherland and nowdays usually land on Terminal 3 , visit crowded areas , have gol gappes (love it ) and take the flight back to Italy or UK .
Eventhough I have left India but I can never stop being an Indian , I guess bollywood also plays a crucial part in binding us all desi's together .

Thankfully for me, it didn't take spending 8 years in a far away western school, to come to realise how much my country and its people mean to me.

 

[Chronos]

I don't think the two are at conflict, nor do they have to be. This fallacy of putting on over the other is the type of thinking that needs to be dispelled. You don't have to give one priority over the other.

I didn't read what others had to say, went straight to your comment.

I kind of hate this seeking external validation sort of threads.

what I think is, India and Pakistan is sort of like where Industrial Britian was in it's nascent stages of industrial revolution. The gap between the rich and poor increased, for a while quality of life stopped.

At least for India, I expect things to get harder before they get better in some relative terms.

If you could do a heat map of India in terms of Industrial, economic output, you will have islands of intense heat, that is like Bangalore, Mumbai, Delhi, followed by cold expanses of minimal economic activity.

For decades to come, the challege is that of urbanisation. Masses of villagers building slums and looking for jobs.

Bangalore is a classic example. It had a population of 1.5 million in the 1980's. It was called the Garden city. But the IT boom has now made it so that it's population is now 10 million, with poor infrastructure to cope.

Then India has to provide electricity for a lot of it's citizens. Clean water. Education.

I am not a pessimist. But I do think it is going to take decades of economic growth coupled with tweaking of inefficiencies that will make an impact on poverty.

Thankfully for me, it didn't take spending 8 years in a far away western school, to come to realise how much my country and its people mean to me.

Could you elaborate ?

 

[Bombaywalla]

Could you elaborate ?

I never had to leave the country to realise how much it meant to me.

 

[Bang Galore]

I am surprised you know this statement. Thought it was a private joke sort of a thing between us.

There is an interesting anecdote that is dated to the 90's. It goes something like this- when 2 diplomats from India & Pakistan were talking & the Indian waxing eloquent about where India will be in the future, the Pakistani diplomat derisively said " How does it matter? In the end, we are both in the same gutter". To which the quick reply from the Indian diplomat was " the only difference being that we are looking up & you are looking down"......

 

[That Guy]

I didn't read what others had to say, went straight to your comment.

I kind of hate this seeking external validation sort of threads.

what I think is, India and Pakistan is sort of like where Industrial Britian was in it's nascent stages of industrial revolution. The gap between the rich and poor increased, for a while quality of life stopped.

At least for India, I expect things to get harder before they get better in some relative terms.

If you could do a heat map of India in terms of Industrial, economic output, you will have islands of intense heat, that is like Bangalore, Mumbai, Delhi, followed by cold expanses of minimal economic activity.

For decades to come, the challege is that of urbanisation. Masses of villagers building slums and looking for jobs.

Bangalore is a classic example. It had a population of 1.5 million in the 1980's. It was called the Garden city. But the IT boom has now made it so that it's population is now 10 million, with poor infrastructure to cope.

Then India has to provide electricity for a lot of it's citizens. Clean water. Education.

I am not a pessimist. But I do think it is going to take decades of economic growth coupled with tweaking of inefficiencies that will make an impact on poverty.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

The biggest problem today in both India and Pakistan is even growth across their respective nations (all provinces/states prospering, instead of just certain regions). With the increasing numbers of youth entering the job market in both nations, the growth is nowhere near enough to provide jobs for all those looking for work, which only makes the poor even poorer. If South Asian nations are to prosper, they need to start looking at ways to grow their economies safely, and future proof their economic policies(What I mean by that is, they cannot continue to rely heavily on agriculture to provide jobs anymore, Georgia did, and they're in a economic mess, because of it).

 

[janon]

There is an interesting anecdote that is dated to the 90's. It goes something like this- when 2 diplomats from India & Pakistan were talking & the Indian waxing eloquent about where India will be in the future, the Pakistani diplomat derisively said " How does it matter? In the end, we are both in the same gutter". To which the quick reply from the Indian diplomat was " the only difference being that we are looking up & you are looking down"......

I'm not sure if that's a real exchange between diplomats, because it sounds very similar to a quote by Oscar Wilde:

'We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.'

But it does describe the situation pretty well, whether the anecdotal story happened or not. Despite all the ridicule from certain Pakistanis, it is a fact that India is improving by leaps and bounds in every social aspect, year after year. But of course there are huge challenges to be overcome, and we won't reach high standards of living for another generation.

 

[Contrarian]

I don't think the two are at conflict, nor do they have to be. This fallacy of putting on over the other is the type of thinking that needs to be dispelled. You don't have to give one priority over the other.

Yes, you do. Regardless of how much you might try to avoid it.
There is a question of priority whether to Nation or Religion.

 

[Chronos]

Couldn't have put it better myself.

The biggest problem today in both India and Pakistan is even growth across their respective nations (all provinces/states prospering, instead of just certain regions). With the increasing numbers of youth entering the job market in both nations, the growth is nowhere near enough to provide jobs for all those looking for work, which only makes the poor even poorer. If South Asian nations are to prosper, they need to start looking at ways to grow their economies safely, and future proof their economic policies(What I mean by that is, they cannot continue to rely heavily on agriculture to provide jobs anymore, Georgia did, and they're in a economic mess, because of it).

Population growth also screwed us big time.

Haven't these people heard of birth control

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

If you can't advanced from your current or past situation (or in other words, if you feel the Pakistan is doing worst today than yesterday), then those challenges has not been met with adequate responses from your people. Instead of blaming the others for your sorry conditions today, you must reflect it and starting to question yourself what is wrong with our acts, our solutions and what we can do for a better tomorrow. All of the countries who had a destiny to become a great countries always doing that kind of self introspection, Japan, USA, Germany, UK, France, China, South Korea all of them have passing their examination and successfully found their own answer for their respective country. My Indonesia too, we are trying to getting a hold in our way, and starting to found our answer.

Do you see us blaming anyone in this thread? all we are saying is tht no other country would have survived like we did...

 

[FNFAL]

Umm...you could start with....
1. Dedicated effort to send children to school- introduce mid day meals - go a step further,, offer children to carry back food to families. Ask wealthy arab donors who have so much interest in madrassas to fund such a project,.Will be a true litmus test .

2 . Curriculum- object oriented syllabus and pls Correct your history books- You folks have indian roots and not arabs. With correct learning each of the unfortunate racial madrassa educated child that picks up an ak to fights some indifel, will have a shot at a honest life choice.These ppl will form the back of your middle class- that will be the spine of your next gen financial fabric.
A poor misguided young man is more likely to take drastic actions

3. All eligible ppl must make an effort to Vote.Atleast they wont bEEtch about failing political system later on.
Also give the political system a chance and not go nuts with thoughts of bringing a dictator to substitute them. Armed forces work with the civil structure and vice versa.None should attempt to trump the others

4. Land reforms-its loooooong overdue.

5. Inculcate a social change of looking inwards to problems in one own backyard instead of crying hoarse about issues millions of miles away. They give a flying phuck about your problems and you should return the favor. As @Contrarian said so well...nation before relegion and everything else.

views do not reflect upon economic reforms