Statement from Gen. Joseph Votel on liberating the last territory held by Daesh

[Max]

US is force of destabilization in the Greater ME, largest sponsor of terrorism and oppression against Muslim countries. SDF are PKK terrorists.. no doubt about it.

But negative rating official account is something i dont agree with it.

 

[MMM-E]

Statement from Gen. Joseph Votel on invading the last territory by CENTCOM backed PKK/YPG Terrorists to destroy Syria's territorial integrity for Israeli interests

 

[Khanate]

US is force of destabilization in the Greater ME, largest sponsor of terrorism and oppression against Muslim countries. SDF are PKK terrorists.. no doubt about it.

But negative rating official account is something i dont agree with it.

Have to agree with @Oscar on this. This forum is a target of insane Indian propaganda, as is Facebook or any other social media platform, but we counter it with facts. In the end, truth prevails. Abandoning a platform only leaves an information void.

 

[cabatli_53]

Dedicated to CENTCOM lovers. A succesfull operation against top PKK leaders today thanks to intelligence provided by MIT. It seems CENTCOM can not save their buddies with early intelligence before strike began. Multiple strike has been carried out for same target to seperate terrorist Rıza Altun and other leader team’s smelly body into small pieces. That is what they deserve !

https://twitter.com/x/status/1110811733365608448

 

[UkroTurk]

Fighting against terrorism using other terrorists who have been attacking to Turkish soldiers, civilians and Turkish territory is not just unfair it is also a disgusting undemocratic method.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

US forces are also based at Incrilik- so suggest you start there instead of acting tough against an online platform.

How about cancelling the F-35 order?
Or is that too strong a goal for Turkmen to achieve and instead making strong arm statements against this forum for letting a news statement be is?
A statement that doesn’t involve mention of the YPG or Turkey at all?

Please do not misrepresent your country or Turks.
This comes from a person whose family migrated from Ottoman Turkey 6 generations ago.

The current policy shift of USA cannot change decades old relationship in a day/weeks or months; however, could be used as a cheap argument to justify the current policy in a talk as you have done.

However, The shift must be remembered for the future relationship. Here is some spots:


USA and USA-recognised PKK terrorist organisation along with THE SDF/PYD/YPG.


Who the Centcom praises:


USA Defence Chief Ashton Carter admits PYD/YPG/SDF and PKK link in the testimony in April 2016.

Women... in PsyOp for Centcom.

https://twitter.com/x/status/956820359604523008

PKK-affiliated USA ally YPG/SDF terrorists keep recruting kids says the UN report:

https://twitter.com/x/status/970993965972549632

The terrorism is using civilian privileged rights to fool the civilians around the world. Here is some pictures of PKK-affiliated USA ally YPG/SDF in Syria:


Kids...

https://twitter.com/x/status/956161130946351104

https://twitter.com/x/status/956226716678213633

Another picture taken today in Aleppo... a group of child ''soldiers'' of PKK-affiliated USA ally YPG/SDF terrorists:

https://twitter.com/x/status/958262459197947905

[/QUOTE]


The USA is in/directly violating the Int. law and agreements about Children on the name of fighting terrorism.

The legal situation on the international system:

1. Article 77(2) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides: The Parties to the conflict shall take all feasible measures in order that children who have not attained the age of fifteen years do not take a direct part in hostilities and, in particular, they shall refrain from recruiting them into their armed forces. In recruiting among those persons who have attained the age of fifteen years but who have not attained the age of eighteen years, the Parties to the conflict shall endeavour to give priority to those who are oldest.
2. Article 4(3)(c) of the 1977 Additional Protocol II provides: “Children who have not attained the age of fifteen years shall neither be recruited in the armed forces or groups nor allowed to take part in hostilities.”
3. Article 38(3) of the 1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child provides:
   States Parties shall refrain from recruiting any person who has not attained the age of fifteen years into their armed forces. In recruiting among those persons who have attained the age of fifteen years but who have not attained the age of eighteen years, States Parties shall endeavour to give priority to those who are oldest.
4. International Criminal Court: Under Article 8(2)(b)(xxvi) and (e)(vii) of the 1998 ICC Statute, “conscripting or enlisting children under the age of fifteen years” into armed forces or groups constitutes a war crime in both international and non-international armed conflicts.
5. Convention on the Worst Forms of Child Labour: Article 1 of the 1999 Convention on the Worst Forms of Child Labour states ... “shall take immediate and effective measures to secure the prohibition and elimination of the worst forms of child labour as a matter of urgency”. Article 3(a) lists “forced or compulsory recruitment of children [under 18] for use in armed conflict” as one of the worst forms of child labour.
6. The 2000 Optional Protocol on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict provides:
   Article 2: States Parties shall ensure that persons who have not attained the age of 18 years are not compulsorily recruited into their armed forces.
   Article 3:
   1. States Parties shall raise the minimum age for the voluntary recruitment of persons into their national armed forces from that set out in article 38, paragraph 3, of the Convention on the Rights of the Child, taking account of the principles contained in that article and recognizing that under the Convention persons under the age of 18 years are entitled to special protection.
   2. Each State Party shall deposit a binding declaration upon ratification of or accession to the present Protocol that sets forth the minimum age at which it will permit voluntary recruitment into its national armed forces and a description of the safeguards it has adopted to ensure that such recruitment is not forced or coerced.
   3. States Parties that permit voluntary recruitment into their national armed forces under the age of 18 years shall maintain safeguards to ensure, as a minimum, that:
   (a) Such recruitment is genuinely voluntary;
   (b) Such recruitment is carried out with the informed consent of the person’s parents or legal guardians;
   (c) Such persons are fully informed of the duties involved in such military service;
   (d) Such persons provide reliable proof of age prior to acceptance into national military service …
   5. The requirement to raise the age in paragraph 1 of the present article does not apply to schools operated by or under the control of the armed forces of the States Parties, in keeping with articles 28 and 29 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
   Article 4:
   1. Armed groups that are distinct from the armed forces of a State should not, under any circumstances, recruit … persons under the age of 18 years.
   2. States Parties shall take all feasible measures to prevent such recruitment … including the adoption of legal measures necessary to prohibit and criminalize such practices …
   Article 6:
   …
   3. States Parties shall take all feasible measures to ensure that persons within their jurisdiction recruited or used in hostilities contrary to the present Protocol are demobilized or otherwise released from service. States Parties shall, when necessary, accord to such persons all appropriate assistance for their physical and psychological recovery and their social reintegration …
   Article 7:
   1. States Parties shall cooperate in the implementation of the present Protocol, including in the prevention of any activity contrary thereto and in the rehabilitation and social reintegration of persons who are victims of acts contrary thereto, including through technical cooperation and financial assistance. Such assistance and cooperation will be undertaken in consultation with the States Parties concerned and the relevant international organizations.
7. ...

The sources for articles above:
1- https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/ihl/INTRO/475?OpenDocument
2- https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/ihl/INTRO/475?OpenDocument
3- http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CRC.aspx
4- http://legal.un.org/icc/statute/99_corr/cstatute.htm
5- http://www.ilo.org/dyn/normlex/en/f?p=NORMLEXPUB:12100:0::NO::P12100_ILO_CODE:C182
6- http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/OPACCRC.aspx




@Casus Belli ... The propaganda of terrorism deserves the negative rating in this forum if they do not deny their own policy against The propaganda of terrorism; if so,then that means you hunt two birds with one stone: terrorist propaganda and hypocrisy in this forum.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

USA supply of weapons to a terrorist organisation.

The source: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/us-intensifies-weapons-supply-to-pyd-pkk-in-syria/716665


The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) and Article 18 of Vienna Convention violeted by USA in supporting PKK(PYD/YPG/SDG).

- Article 18 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT): Obligation Not To Defeat The Object And Purpose Of A Treaty Prior To Its Entry Into Force

- United States Signs Arms Trade Treaty on September 25, 2013

http://www.state.gov/t/isn/armstradetreaty/

- ATT entered into force on 24 December 2014


Who the ISIS that USA and PKK terroists fight:

• Ex-DIA boss Michael Flynn: White House took "willful decision" to fund, train Syria Islamists ISIS

Hasan (Interviewer) (From 11.15 onwards into the interview): “In 2012, your agency was saying, quote: “The Salafists, the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda in Iraq [(which ISIS arose out of)], are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.” In 2012, the US was helping coordinate arms transfers to those same groups. Why did you not stop that if you’re worried about the rise of Islamic extremism?”

Flynn: “Well I hate to say it’s not my job, but… my job was to ensure that the accuracy of our intelligence that was being presented was as good as it could be, and I will tell you, it goes before 2012. When we were in Iraq, and we still had decisions to be made before there was a decision to pull out of Iraq in 2011, it was very clear what we were going to face.”

Hasan (Interviewer): You are basically saying that even in government at the time, you knew those groups were around, you saw this analysis, and you were arguing against it, but who wasn’t listening?”

Flynn: “I think the administration.”

Hasan (Interviewer): “So the administration turned a blind eye to your analysis?”

Flynn: “I don’t know if they turned a blind eye. I think it was a decision, a willful decision.”

Hasan (Interviewer): “A wilful decision to support an insurgency that had Salafists, Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood?”

Flynn: “A wilful decision to do what they’re doing… You have to really ask the President what is it that he actually is doing with the policy that is in place, because it is very, very confusing.”



The Result:

 

[SQ8]

The current policy shift of USA cannot change decades old relationship in a day/weeks or months; however, could be used as a cheap argument to justify the current policy in a talk as you have done.

However, The shift must be remembered for the future relationship. Here is some spots:


USA and USA-recognised PKK terrorist organisation along with THE SDF/PYD/YPG.


Who the Centcom praises:


USA Defence Chief Ashton Carter admits PYD/YPG/SDF and PKK link in the testimony in April 2016.

Women... in PsyOp for Centcom.

https://twitter.com/x/status/956820359604523008

PKK-affiliated USA ally YPG/SDF terrorists keep recruting kids says the UN report:

https://twitter.com/x/status/970993965972549632

The terrorism is using civilian privileged rights to fool the civilians around the world. Here is some pictures of PKK-affiliated USA ally YPG/SDF in Syria:


Kids...

https://twitter.com/x/status/956161130946351104

https://twitter.com/x/status/956226716678213633

Another picture taken today in Aleppo... a group of child ''soldiers'' of PKK-affiliated USA ally YPG/SDF terrorists:

https://twitter.com/x/status/958262459197947905

The USA is in/directly violating the Int. law and agreements about Children on the name of fighting terrorism.

The legal situation on the international system:

1. Article 77(2) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides: The Parties to the conflict shall take all feasible measures in order that children who have not attained the age of fifteen years do not take a direct part in hostilities and, in particular, they shall refrain from recruiting them into their armed forces. In recruiting among those persons who have attained the age of fifteen years but who have not attained the age of eighteen years, the Parties to the conflict shall endeavour to give priority to those who are oldest.
2. Article 4(3)(c) of the 1977 Additional Protocol II provides: “Children who have not attained the age of fifteen years shall neither be recruited in the armed forces or groups nor allowed to take part in hostilities.”
3. Article 38(3) of the 1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child provides:
   States Parties shall refrain from recruiting any person who has not attained the age of fifteen years into their armed forces. In recruiting among those persons who have attained the age of fifteen years but who have not attained the age of eighteen years, States Parties shall endeavour to give priority to those who are oldest.
4. International Criminal Court: Under Article 8(2)(b)(xxvi) and (e)(vii) of the 1998 ICC Statute, “conscripting or enlisting children under the age of fifteen years” into armed forces or groups constitutes a war crime in both international and non-international armed conflicts.
5. Convention on the Worst Forms of Child Labour: Article 1 of the 1999 Convention on the Worst Forms of Child Labour states ... “shall take immediate and effective measures to secure the prohibition and elimination of the worst forms of child labour as a matter of urgency”. Article 3(a) lists “forced or compulsory recruitment of children [under 18] for use in armed conflict” as one of the worst forms of child labour.
6. The 2000 Optional Protocol on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict provides:
   Article 2: States Parties shall ensure that persons who have not attained the age of 18 years are not compulsorily recruited into their armed forces.
   Article 3:
   1. States Parties shall raise the minimum age for the voluntary recruitment of persons into their national armed forces from that set out in article 38, paragraph 3, of the Convention on the Rights of the Child, taking account of the principles contained in that article and recognizing that under the Convention persons under the age of 18 years are entitled to special protection.
   2. Each State Party shall deposit a binding declaration upon ratification of or accession to the present Protocol that sets forth the minimum age at which it will permit voluntary recruitment into its national armed forces and a description of the safeguards it has adopted to ensure that such recruitment is not forced or coerced.
   3. States Parties that permit voluntary recruitment into their national armed forces under the age of 18 years shall maintain safeguards to ensure, as a minimum, that:
   (a) Such recruitment is genuinely voluntary;
   (b) Such recruitment is carried out with the informed consent of the person’s parents or legal guardians;
   (c) Such persons are fully informed of the duties involved in such military service;
   (d) Such persons provide reliable proof of age prior to acceptance into national military service …
   5. The requirement to raise the age in paragraph 1 of the present article does not apply to schools operated by or under the control of the armed forces of the States Parties, in keeping with articles 28 and 29 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
   Article 4:
   1. Armed groups that are distinct from the armed forces of a State should not, under any circumstances, recruit … persons under the age of 18 years.
   2. States Parties shall take all feasible measures to prevent such recruitment … including the adoption of legal measures necessary to prohibit and criminalize such practices …
   Article 6:
   …
   3. States Parties shall take all feasible measures to ensure that persons within their jurisdiction recruited or used in hostilities contrary to the present Protocol are demobilized or otherwise released from service. States Parties shall, when necessary, accord to such persons all appropriate assistance for their physical and psychological recovery and their social reintegration …
   Article 7:
   1. States Parties shall cooperate in the implementation of the present Protocol, including in the prevention of any activity contrary thereto and in the rehabilitation and social reintegration of persons who are victims of acts contrary thereto, including through technical cooperation and financial assistance. Such assistance and cooperation will be undertaken in consultation with the States Parties concerned and the relevant international organizations.
7. ...

The sources for articles above:
1- https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/ihl/INTRO/475?OpenDocument
2- https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/ihl/INTRO/475?OpenDocument
3- http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CRC.aspx
4- http://legal.un.org/icc/statute/99_corr/cstatute.htm
5- http://www.ilo.org/dyn/normlex/en/f?p=NORMLEXPUB:12100:0::NO::P12100_ILO_CODE:C182
6- http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/OPACCRC.aspx




@Casus Belli ... The propaganda of terrorism deserves the negative rating in this forum if they do not deny their own policy against The propaganda of terrorism; if so,then that means you hunt two birds with one stone: terrorist propaganda and hypocrisy in this forum.[/QUOTE]

All valid debates- but it still doesn’t relate to the supression of a press release by an official account with no mention or support of Kurdistan.

What neither you or the begrudged Turkish members seem to understand is that the issue isn’t about talking on these points- but rather not letting a press release be.
Let that press release be, and then discuss all you want.
Otherwise we will have requests to supress official press releases on Uyghur by China and Turkey- Indian ones - Pakistani political party ones and so on.

If this press release came from YPG or TTP; we would remove it?

Anladin mi?

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

All valid debates- but it still doesn’t relate to the supression of a press release by an official account with no mention or support of Kurdistan.

What neither you or the begrudged Turkish members seem to understand is that the issue isn’t about talking on these points- but rather not letting a press release be.
Let that press release be, and then discuss all you want.
Otherwise we will have requests to supress official press releases on Uyghur by China and Turkey- Indian ones - Pakistani political party ones and so on.

If this press release came from YPG or TTP; we would remove it?

Anladin mi?

The info provided by me in previous posts of mine are to make arguments.

One of them is that The legitimacy of Centcom/USA have been in question by laws as seen in the info. Therefore, the Forum and you ''mods'' have to treat the ''press release'' of Centcom in the same way you treat ''press releases'' of PKK or TTP, if posted here and you respect your own rules or morality/intelligence.

@Casus Belli or any member with ''negative rating'' privilege should put that on the OP for the sake of morality and human intelligence against terrorism and its propaganda.

Anladın mı?

 

[Test7]

@Casus Belli I congratulate you for your exemplary behavior.

 

[SQ8]

The info provided by me in previous posts of mine are to make arguments.

One of them is that The legitimacy of Centcom/USA have been in question by laws as seen in the info. Therefore, the Forum and you ''mods'' have to treat the ''press release'' of Centcom in the same way you treat ''press releases'' of PKK or TTP, if posted here and you respect your own rules or morality/intelligence.

@Casus Belli or any member with ''negative rating'' privilege should put that on the OP for the sake of morality and human intelligence against terrorism and its propaganda.

Anladın mı?

India finances terrorism in Balochistan the same way. Yet we have Indian press releases here - I disagree with your premise since at this point Pakistan has not declared the US as an enemy or terrorist organization. Hence you can take up your request with the government of Pakistan.

 

[UkroTurk]

American attitude looks like the phrase
" my terrorists are innocent unless they betray me ".
Let's wait those ypg pigs to serve for russians.

 

[Test7]

@Oscar Look at the Sdf.. Leaders in this video are wanted by Turkish Army..

This press release is not a normal explanation for us. That's what you don't understand. It's not more than terrorist propaganda. If these are normal press releases for you. I'il share the Taliban's statement after attack to pakistan. Then discuss all you want.

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar Look at the Sdf.. Leaders in this video are wanted by Turkish Army..

This press release is not a normal explanation for us. That's what you don't understand. It's not more than terrorist propaganda. If these are normal press releases for you. I'il share the Taliban's statement after attack to pakistan. Then discuss all you want.

You do not understand the issue here. This is about a press release and not about support or not. This press release does not even mention any US allies or otherwise.

For your information we have had people post releases from the TTP as well.

NOTHING stops you from debating/refuting the press release or discussion of why YPG is a terror organization.

Its like someone negative rating a news and then no one can read or debate what it was about.

 

[UkroTurk]

We know very well who the ypg pigs are . That's why the Turkish Army has been slaughtering terrorists but the problem is who the USA are? We are wondering if the US a friendly nation.