Starfighter The Fighter The Enemy Dreaded

[Windjammer]

I was talking about confirmed kills, with enemy acceptance. Krishak doesn't count for me as it was not a combat fighter. The IAF lost 1 Gnat in A2A in '71, that being F/O Nirmal Sekhon's to a Sabre. Couldn't find any acceptance of a Canberra kill to a Starfighter, rather credited to Atta's Mirage III.

So if you want to go by wild Indian accounts then the PAF must have lost some 10 F-104s .
And what about this Gnat..... The pilot of the Gnat, Flight Lieutenant J Preira was Killed in Action

 

[Cuirassier]

So if you want to go by wild Indian accounts then the PAF must have lost some 10 F-104s .
And what about this Gnat..... The pilot of the Gnat, Flight Lieutenant J Preira was Killed in Action

I am going with acceptances by both sides, which I deem most befitting for an unbiased comparison. Couldn't find any record for J Preira.

 

[Windjammer]

I am going with acceptances by both sides, which I deem most befitting for an unbiased comparison. Couldn't find any record for J Preira.

All five are confirmed however the two HF-24 kills on Utterlai air base have been eliminated as they couldn't be confirmed.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

All five are confirmed however the two HF-24 kills on Utterlai air base have been eliminated as they couldn't be confirmed.

Windjammer an unrelated question.Do you happen to live near Collindale,London?.

 

[Windjammer]

Windjammer an unrelated question.Do you happen to live near Collindale,London?.

No dude, I'm based in Boney Scotland.....the land of Fire Water.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

No dude, I'm based in Boney Scotland.....the land of Fire Water.

Ok thanks i was thinking you as my distant relative lol.

 

[Windjammer]

Ok thanks i was thinking you as my distant relative lol.

Oh that's quite alright, sure wouldn't mind if you add my name in your will.

 

[GriffinsRule]

The F-104 provided a big moral boost to the PAF in the 60s and caused the enemy to dread to its core. Sure enough, it was a top-of-the-line, high performance aircraft, but it had certain limitations.

The F-104 was a ‘senior’ aircraft. Only the top pilots got the honor of flying it (much like the PAF F-16s today).

The F-104 has had many honors to its name, including the famous low-level sonic boom over Amritsar by Flight Lieutenant (later Air Marshal) Farooq Umar.

The F-104 Starfighter is still remembered as one of the PAF’s best-performing and most-loved machines. It provided the PAF of the 1960s the prestige and thrill that comes with operating a top-of-the line aircraft, which the Starfighter was.

I don't think you are correct in saying only the senior pilots flew the F-104. Also the other huge difference in comparing them to the F-16s is the number. We literally had a handful of Starfighters

 

[mingle]

Missle flown by Man that's what they called her

 

[Ultima Thule]

We need a new homosexual or gay section for PDF

shut the fcuk up this is not a p0rn site you animal

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

shut the fcuk up this is not a p0rn site you animal

What happened here????

 

[Ultima Thule]

What happened here????

some insane guy here want to discuss Homosexuality/gay discussion here on PDF sir

 

[aliyusuf]

F-104 StarFighter

Pros:
The F-104 had the best top speed, acceleration and climb rate of it's time. It was the first sustained Mach 2 production fighter of the world.
Low head on (clean) RCS.
Good for CAS and later adapted to Precision Strike Missions --> F-104G.
Good BVR Interception Platform --> F-104S.

Cons:
Difficult handling characteristics, a slightly high attrition rate.
Not very maneuverable.
Poor handling at slow speeds.

Service with PAF: 1961 - 1972

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

F-104 StarFighter

Pros:
The F-104 had the best top speed, acceleration and climb rate of it's time. It was the first sustained Mach 2 production fighter of the world.
Low head on (clean) RCS.
Good for CAS and later adapted to Precision Strike Missions --> F-104G.
Good BVR Interception Platform --> F-104S.

Cons:
Difficult handling characteristics, a slightly high attrition rate.
Not very maneuverable.
Poor handling at slow speeds.

Service with PAF: 1961 - 1972

Its a shame we retired them so early ,maybe due to lack of spares. In NATO these planes served till the 80s and some cases the 90s.

 

[Raider 21]

Its a shame we retired them so early ,maybe due to lack of spares. In NATO these planes served till the 80s and some cases the 90s.

It was being used differently for what it was designed for. Lack of spares, high maintenance hours not to mention major physical limits for the kind of pilots the cockpit had space for. Difficult to fly from what one PAF Academy Commandant said.

Windjammer an unrelated question.Do you happen to live near Collindale,London?.

That's close to the RAF Museum. I was there last Sunday.