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‘Stand Up to US or Have Future Generations Deride Us’ – ISI Chief

Who holds the actual power in Pakistan The Army or Politicians who gave the base to UAE the army or the politicians who made an agreement with USA the army or the politicians

Any system that can make hugely important decisons with only verbal agreements, without checks or balances, can be hijacked by vested interests with ulterior motives, and therefore a disaster waiting to happen.

I did not call this whole mess the Clusterf**k Circus without good reason.
 
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I believe the ISI fell into its own trap. They created a Macho Image for the World and also for local consumption. They made the world believe that nothing will move in Pakistan without ISI's knowledge. Now when the sh*t hit the fan on May 02nd 2011, the world refuse to believe that the super duper agency knew nothing of OBL.
 
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“We know that you have lots of responsibilities. How about you give some of them back to us?” The light-hearted remark aroused smirks on both sides of parliament, and led to loud, desk-thumping approval.

He did just that didn't he, as did the deputy Air Chief - parliament needs to 'stand up to the US', 'parliament needs to make a decision on shooting down drones'.

What was Hashmi's, or parliament's, response to being 'given those responsibilities'?

I agree with what u have been saying,,, when I said I liked this part, I ment the candidness of Hashmi & also a hint of is anger-control that he might have against institution because of Musharaf's behaviour...

I am totally with Kiyani/Pasha's stand that if public & politicians announce that they'll stand by Army to face the aftermath of shooting drones,,, then Army would be more than willing...
 
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Though he spent a large chunk of the marathon session on the back foot, besieged by politicians, the chief of Pakistan’s premier intelligence agency did come out of his shell to silence fiery Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan.

Details of Friday’s closed-door session of a special joint sitting of Parliament continue to trickle out – with some interesting nuggets of information being narrated to The Express Tribune regarding an exchange between Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt-Gen Ahmad Shuja Pasha and Chaudhry Nisar.

Reported yesterday was a fiery speech by Nisar against the military establishment – but it emerged, through fresh information, that the DG ISI did not just stand there and take the tirade.

Pasha, who has been at the receiving end of a number of fiery speeches by the PML-N leader over the last few weeks, is said to have shocked Nisar by replying in the same token.

Nisar is said to have risen out of his seat for his speech right as the question and answer session was to begin. But a “visibly angry” Pasha snubbed Nisar in front of a full house.

Pasha claimed that he ‘knew’ why he was being targeted by the leader of the opposition as of late – alleging that Nisar had asked him for a personal favour, which he, as DG ISI, refused to extend.
Since then, said Pasha, Nisar had launched a number of tirades against him in particular and the military in general. However, Pasha said he would not reveal what the favour was on the floor of the august house – but would if asked outside.

An embarrassed Chaudhry Nisar was said to have been taken aback as Pasha continued with his ‘counter-attack’. The DG ISI kept on grilling Nisar, asking the PML-N leader if he knew what the effects of his recent tirades had been.

Pasha told the house that on a recent trip to the US he was told by CIA chief Leon Panetta in an important meeting: ‘Look, General Pasha – how can we trust you when your own country’s opposition leader is saying that you cannot be believed?’

Pasha said that, despite having answers to all questions during that session, he did not have an answer to that question by the CIA chief.
“What should I tell the Americans?” the DG ISI asked in a bitter tone, addressing all the parliamentarians.

Pasha’s frustration seemed to be born out of an awkward moment. Pasha, besieged by the politicians, had offered to resign – and upon this offer, some members from the opposition benches shouted, “Please accept his resignation.”

The tension grew palpably when Pasha finished his counterattack. It was expected that Chaudhry Nisar, known for his hard stance and fiery speeches, would retaliate and at least refute the wild charges. But he remained seated.


It got worse for Nisar when his fellow party member, Javed Hashmi, who spent five years in jail during the Musharraf regime, got up to shower praise on the army

Interestingly enough, Chaudhry Nisar later praised the efforts of the generals.

A reality check

Lt-Gen Pasha was not the only serviceman to have his moment.
Pakistan’s deputy air chief was said to have deflated the prevalent nationalistic fervor in an emotionally-charged house as the parliamentarians were discussing the prospects of shooting down trespassing US drones.

The deputy air chief had been bombarded with constant questions by charged politicians whether or not the Pakistan Air Force was capable of shooting down intruding unmanned US aircraft.

Finally, the deputy air chief interjected: They have the capability of doing so, if asked. But, the leaders should understand the repercussions before debating this, such as a US attack.

After this analysis, when deputy air chief sought the permission of the parliamentarians to shoot USA drones, he found no takers. Sources said that, afterwards, the parliamentarians did not press the issue of shooting down drones.


CIA agents in our midst

The DG ISI also claimed in the session that the CIA was paying many important Pakistanis to protect their interests – and that the ISI had all the details of these people. However, sources said, Pasha did not identify anyone.


Where was the army chief?
There was no news of what Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani was doing during the session. According to sources in attendance, the army chief was not asked a single question by charged parliamentarians during the marathon session.
However, given the length of the session, Gen Kayani, known to be a chain smoker, was seen heading to the exits at regular intervals for a quick smoke.

Published in The Express Tribune, May 15th, 2011
 
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As it is said in tbe Bible - Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
 
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Of course, in this bickering amongst all the thieves, NOBODY will raise the issue of the "disappeared" persons, will they?
 
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its very regrettable that we have black sheeps in each and every Institution. General pasha should identify those crooks who were on CIA payroll. also, no further question on raymond davis issue?? Interesting :confused:
 
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Send the black sheep to Nepal.

They slaughter black sheep for their Dasai!
 
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from abbottabad?

The over 700 persons whose matter was raised by the CJ, and then dropped as he negotiated his return. To this day, these Pakistani citizens have not been given any due process.
 
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The over 700 persons whose matter was raised by the CJ, and then dropped as he negotiated his return. To this day, these Pakistani citizens have not been given any due process.

hmmm i dont know how they probed that but since one of my fellows is from a region who's most of the people are said to be on the list and (BTW he is from the strong hold of BLA terrorists) and according to him mostly are picked up by the militants.

and i attended a seminar last year arranged by some NGOs who are vocal for missing persons that was also attended by relatives of dozens missing people and when they narrated their stories and the funniest was of those who said "hamara bhai bakryan charanay gaya tha phir wapis nai aya" and they were from Kohistan.

Some were genuine cases but interestingly those were linked to Atom Energy Commission and hence they must have been some involvement in some serious offense.

one case was of a serving army officer .

so i doubt the list but anyway lets what the court does
 
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pasha it does not matter either any of politician supports you or not .......... we being a nation will keep supporting you ........... you do not need to worry at all just fight for this nation for the religion of ALLAH ........ and i give you my word there will be no fall back for you INSHALLAH ......... and we will be successful nation ... you do not need support of corrupt politicians ... ALLAH and this nation is with you
 
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They made the world believe that nothing will move in Pakistan without ISI's knowledge.

I doubt they ever tried to convey that impression - how could they when terrorist attacks continue to happen in Pakistan? The ISI is not a domestic intelligence agency in any case. Yes, some parts of the agency are focused on Counter terrorism, but that does not mean that they have a presence in every single neighborhood in Pakistan, nor has the ISI every tried to convey that image. If anything, the responsibility to track down OBL domestically should have been the responsibility of the IB, which falls under the interior ministry and Rehman Malik.
 
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