Featured SSK Agosta 90B Class Attack Submarine Information Pool

[GriffinsRule]

They’re on schedule, first 4 will be delivered by 2023-24, second 4 will be delivered by 2028. We might also see one Type 039B (not a hangor) be delivered before those for training purposes, as the naval chief did hint on that too.


I also doubt that, such a major defense deal would likely not stay hidden. I think the launch was from a 90B or a non-submarine underwater platform.
Unless Pakistan made its own submarine (unlikely), such weapon deals being hidden is a rare thing.

Underwater platform most likely.

 

[Incog_nito]

I think delivery will starts 2022 and all 8 submarine delivery would be completed in 2028

I have heard that PN will not produce any submarines or ships because Pakistan doesn't produce Marine Steel.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I have heard that PN will not produce any submarines or ships because Pakistan doesn't produce Marine Steel.

KSEW can manufacture ships and submarines using kits of materiel (KoM) from the original supplier.

This isn't assembling as there's still manufacturing involved (e.g., cutting steel). However, the KoMs would include all of the critical inputs such as the steel and engines.

Pakistan doesn't produce any of the inputs indigneously. So, with ToT deals or even original designs, all of the engines and steel have to come from abroad. We basically didn't advance much since the 1970s and used 50 odd years for development to ruin our industry.

 

[iLION12345_1]

Underwater platform most likely.

Yes, most likely.
At that point it’s more to test the functioning of the missile than the platform, which is still a positive development. We will likely see those weapons on the upcoming subs and on the 90Bs.

 

[Zarvan]

KSEW can manufacture ships and submarines using kits of materiel (KoM) from the original supplier.

This isn't assembling as there's still manufacturing involved (e.g., cutting steel). However, the KoMs would include all of the critical inputs such as the steel and engines.

Pakistan doesn't produce any of the inputs indigneously. So, with ToT deals or even original designs, all of the engines and steel have to come from abroad. We basically didn't advance much since the 1970s and used 50 odd years for development to ruin our industry.

Have all three of our Submarines upgraded or not ?

 

[Maarkhoor]

Have all three of our Submarines upgraded or not ?

Some says modified locally with help of friendly nation.

 

[iLION12345_1]

Some says modified locally with help of friendly nation.

Have all three of our Submarines upgraded or not ?

No, they were being upgraded at STM in Turkey. I believe two are done and the third is currently being upgraded.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

No, they were being upgraded at STM in Turkey. I believe two are done and the third is currently being upgraded.

They're being upgraded at KSEW but with guidance and kits from STM. IIRC, we signed contracts for 2 upgrades, but we haven't yet inked a deal for the 3rd. We may be holding off on the 3rd (PNS Hamza) until we operationalize the first 4 Hangors.

 

[Zarvan]

They're being upgraded at KSEW but with guidance and kits from STM. IIRC, we signed contracts for 2 upgrades, but we haven't yet inked a deal for the 3rd. We may be holding off on the 3rd (PNS Hamza) until we operationalize the first 4 Hangors.

When would that happen in next century. For GOD sake we ordered our Hangoor in 2015. And we haven't received even a single one.

 

[Thorough Pro]

What's the hurry? are you planning to invade some country tomorrow morning?

When would that happen in next century. For GOD sake we ordered our Hangoor in 2015. And we haven't received even a single one.

 

[Zarvan]

What's the hurry? are you planning to invade some country tomorrow morning?

No how about defending ourselves in case of India's attack because current size of submarines is not enough.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

When would that happen in next century. For GOD sake we ordered our Hangoor in 2015. And we haven't received even a single one.

They said the first 4 in 2022, and the last 4 by 2028.

 

[Enigma SIG]

KSEW can manufacture ships and submarines using kits of materiel (KoM) from the original supplier.

This isn't assembling as there's still manufacturing involved (e.g., cutting steel). However, the KoMs would include all of the critical inputs such as the steel and engines.

Pakistan doesn't produce any of the inputs indigneously. So, with ToT deals or even original designs, all of the engines and steel have to come from abroad. We basically didn't advance much since the 1970s and used 50 odd years for development to ruin our industry.

A cursory search for Metallurgy degrees in Pakistan throws up this. I'm literally appalled at Pakistan not being able to produce marine steel. Though I don't expect universities apart from NUST and NED to actually "research" new tech.

 

[GriffinsRule]

They're being upgraded at KSEW but with guidance and kits from STM. IIRC, we signed contracts for 2 upgrades, but we haven't yet inked a deal for the 3rd. We may be holding off on the 3rd (PNS Hamza) until we operationalize the first 4 Hangors.

The third sub was induced much later then the first two. PN is probably following a timeline for mlu based on the ships age as well. Of course you also can't have all your subs going through overhaul at the same time.

 

[GriffinsRule]

A cursory search for Metallurgy degrees in Pakistan throws up this. I'm literally appalled at Pakistan not being able to produce marine steel. Though I don't expect universities apart from NUST and NED to actually "research" new tech.

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There are different types of marine steels for different uses for surface or subsurface ships.

The technologies are not shared esp for steel used in subs or minesweepers. For eg, PN Munsif Class that was put in service in the 90s uses a low magnetic steel used in it's hull construction. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite-class_minehunter
IN which has been making ships and subs still can't produce their own minesweepers. They actually retired their last soviet era ships a few years ago.
I'm okay with us starting slow but have to keep on increasing our capability and can't go backwards. If Pakistan can produce low magnetic steel, it can be a supplier to a number of countries that have some semblance of ship building.
Same would of course help in lowering subs signature against MAD type of devices etc.