Sri Lankan president offers prayers at Tirupati Balaji Temple

[Cherokee]

Nopes. Dharma teaches you to do good Karma so both have their own importance. Also, Dharma does not mean bowing down in front of god but it is about making you a good human being.

Again its a PERSONAL choice . I believe more in Karma than in Dharma . What i do in life imho is more important that how i pray , to whom i pray or even if i don't pray . And like i said its all how one finds himself in the fabric of Dharmic religions . This is my path .

 

[Rusty]

That is good part about Dharmic Religion . No one will behead you or start lobbing terms like "kafir" or "khawarij" if your line of practice is different from the other ones .

Dharmic religions , do not focus on what you eat or how you pray or even whom you Pray .

GOD is justa SPIRITUAL BOND . It's between god and his follower not some random GODMEN to tell us what we should do what we shan't . Its a PERSONAL journey to Spiritualism .

Really? you want to go down this road?
Okay, so I guess this was just a dream Orissa, India Christians Still Face Boycott, Forced Conversion
So there goes your point of Hindus being non violent.
Next.
A Muslim can be a Kafir too, Kafir just means somone who hides the truth. I you are a bad Muslim who lies and deceive people then you are a Kafir. So your 2nd point is also not true.

If Dharmic religions don't focus on that then why is it illegal to slaughter cows in some states? why do Muslim have to hide cow meat from Hindus? Who do Hindus on this very forum preach of vegitarianism? So that point is also not valid.
(I'm on a roll)

If God is just a spiritual Bond then why do Hindus get angry and upset when Hindus convert to a different region? why do Hindus cry about Islamic invasion? why do Hindus show inferiority complex by claiming Pakistanis to be lost?
If you truly believed that God is just a Spirital bond then if a HIndu converted to Islam or Christianity then who cares? That person is just continuing that spiritual bond, but under a different name. Hindus should have no problems with conversions. Unfortunately that is not the case, what is the case is that Hindus are forcibly converting Christians in Orrisa into Hindus, destroying ancient mosques and killing minorities in the thousands.

I'm sorry to break it to you guys, but Dharmic religions are just as violent and intolerant as any other religion, but with the added burden of no having a coherent ideology. At least if a Muslim goes off and kills someone we can quote from the quran verses that say how wrong that is and not be contradicted by other verses or people.

In dharmic religions you have a choice and your choice determines the outcome. But in Abrahmic religions you don't have a choice but set of rules which you have to follow even when you know they are wrong.

please explain what you mean.
In Islam you have choices too, follow the right path and be rewarded by being with and knowing God or follow the wrong path and reap the consequences.

How is Dharmic religions any different?


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@Cherokee & @jbond197
Thank you for proving my point.
no coherent ideology.

 

[scorpionx]

so your defense is that since the religion is so old, no one really knows what the actual cannon is.
I would agree to that. I would also suggest that either Hindus need to get together and decide what is Hinduism and what not, or continue down this schizophrenic pathway to the point where two people who claim to be Hindus could hardly be recognized by their rituals and actions.

Of course if you do the first thing, then you will be no better than those evil Abrahamic religions.
And if you take the second route, then you have no coherent ideology and the term "Hinduism" ceases to have any meaning.
Personally I think Hinduism is already heading down road number two and in a few generations the term Hinduism will be as descriptive as the word "thinggy"

PS. please don't Hindu rage on this, all opinions are just my opinions and not meant to trigger any inferiority complex in anyone.

No body is confused here and I wonder how many suffers from inferiority complex. As you have clearly missed out my point that for the last 1000 years scholars have done sufficient work for us to understand this complex philosophy so nobody suffers from any schizophrenia. Those who wants to get acquainted with this study go through the explanations by Shankaracharya (Monism), Ramanujam (qualified dualism) and Madhbacharya (Dualism).
This religion is respected and admired all over the world not only for its antiquity but for its teachings and vastness which is often beyond the grasp of the ignorants.

 

[jbond197]

Again its a PERSONAL choice . I believe more in Karma than in Dharma . What i do in life imho is more important that how i pray , to whom i pray or even if i don't pray . And like i said its all how one finds himself in the fabric of Dharmic religions . This is my path .

That's what I said and that's what Dharma preaches. Dharma does not ask you to bend your head and body many times a day in front of a defined god it simply asks you to do good Karma. So by doing good Karma you are actually following Dharma..

 

[Cherokee]

Really? you want to go down this road?
Okay, so I guess this was just a dream Orissa, India Christians Still Face Boycott, Forced Conversion
So there goes your point of Hindus being non violent.
Next.
A Muslim can be a Kafir too, Kafir just means somone who hides the truth. I you are a bad Muslim who lies and deceive people then you are a Kafir. So your 2nd point is also not true.

If Dharmic religions don't focus on that then why is it illegal to slaughter cows in some states? why do Muslim have to hide cow meat from Hindus? Who do Hindus on this very forum preach of vegitarianism? So that point is also not valid.
(I'm on a roll)

If God is just a spiritual Bond then why do Hindus get angry and upset when Hindus convert to a different region? why do Hindus cry about Islamic invasion? why do Hindus show inferiority complex by claiming Pakistanis to be lost?
If you truly believed that God is just a Spirital bond then if a HIndu converted to Islam or Christianity then who cares? That person is just continuing that spiritual bond, but under a different name. Hindus should have no problems with conversions. Unfortunately that is not the case, what is the case is that Hindus are forcibly converting Christians in Orrisa into Hindus, destroying ancient mosques and killing minorities in the thousands.

I'm sorry to break it to you guys, but Dharmic religions are just as violent and intolerant as any other religion, but with the added burden of no having a coherent ideology. At least if a Muslim goes off and kills someone we can quote from the quran verses that say how wrong that is and not be contradicted by other verses or people.

And he will quote the same verses to justify killing someone .

And killing minorities in thousands is your Pipe dream .

They cry about Islamic Invasion in the same way they cry for British Invasion .

Invasion is invasion and we as a culture don't celebrate it . not sure about you .

Regarding Orrisa , its Bad and I CONDEMN it , but every religion has it's bad apples , some more than others , why can't Hindus have some bad apples amongst them .

And Kerela Hindus do eat BEEF . They are also Hindus . No problems . Regarding the Ban , I hope it is removed soon .

And a Vegetarian will preach his POV , whats so wrong about it . Everyone preaches what he believes in and again some more than others .Don't we have enough Cyber moulvies on PDF , Preaching Islam and opening threads about conversion with garnishing of Jazakallah and mashallah . Dharmic People rarely do it , if they do it .

 

[jbond197]

Religion should be more meaningful then to tell you how to dress? How to bend and pray and how many times a day? What to eat? What not to eat? Who to abuse? What to except in heaven after death?

 

[Cherokee]

EDIT
@Cherokee & @jbond197
Thank you for proving my point.
no coherent ideology.

LOL , you still are not able to digest the concept of CHOICE and PERSONAL PATH which Dharmic religions provide . I understand where you are coming from and why you are in so dire need of "coherent" ideology , even when after yours having "coherent" ideology their are factions almost as old as the religion itself who do not look eye to eye towards each other .

 

[jbond197]

LOL , you still are not able to digest the concept of CHOICE and PERSONAL PATH which Dharmic religions provide . I understand where you are coming from and why you are in so dire need of "coherent" ideology , even when after yours having "coherent" ideology their are factions almost as old as the religion itself who do not look eye to eye towards each other .

I am happy that even though we two are disagreeing on something still we are not killing each other..

I read people kill each other in certain region because many of them have their own versions of fairy tales..

 

[kingkobra]

Really? you want to go down this road?
Okay, so I guess this was just a dream Orissa, India Christians Still Face Boycott, Forced Conversion
So there goes your point of Hindus being non violent.
Next.
A Muslim can be a Kafir too, Kafir just means somone who hides the truth. I you are a bad Muslim who lies and deceive people then you are a Kafir. So your 2nd point is also not true.

If Dharmic religions don't focus on that then why is it illegal to slaughter cows in some states? why do Muslim have to hide cow meat from Hindus? Who do Hindus on this very forum preach of vegitarianism? So that point is also not valid.
(I'm on a roll)

If God is just a spiritual Bond then why do Hindus get angry and upset when Hindus convert to a different region? why do Hindus cry about Islamic invasion? why do Hindus show inferiority complex by claiming Pakistanis to be lost?
If you truly believed that God is just a Spirital bond then if a HIndu converted to Islam or Christianity then who cares? That person is just continuing that spiritual bond, but under a different name. Hindus should have no problems with conversions. Unfortunately that is not the case, what is the case is that Hindus are forcibly converting Christians in Orrisa into Hindus, destroying ancient mosques and killing minorities in the thousands.

I'm sorry to break it to you guys, but Dharmic religions are just as violent and intolerant as any other religion, but with the added burden of no having a coherent ideology. At least if a Muslim goes off and kills someone we can quote from the quran verses that say how wrong that is and not be contradicted by other verses or people.



please explain what you mean.
In Islam you have choices too, follow the right path and be rewarded by being with and knowing God or follow the wrong path and reap the consequences.

How is Dharmic religions any different?


EDIT
@Cherokee & @jbond197
Thank you for proving my point.
no coherent ideology.

All dharmic religions believe that way to salvation has many doors unline abrahmic religions which say that only way to salvation is through jesus or mohammad....This narrow mindedness is foreign to this land has caused enough troubles already....

 

[Rusty]

No body is confused here and I wonder how many suffers from inferiority complex. As you have clearly missed out my point that for the last 1000 years scholars have done sufficient work for us to understand this complex philosophy so nobody suffers from any schizophrenia. Those who wants to get acquainted with this study go through the explanations by Shankaracharya (Monism), Ramanujam (qualified dualism) and Madhbacharya (Dualism).
This religion is respected and admired all over the world not only for its antiquity but for its teachings and vastness which is often beyond the grasp of the ignorants.

Lets do some critical analysis.
Hinduism has existed for 5000 years (for the sake of argument) and you are saying that for the last 1000 years Scholars have been trying to put together a coherent ideology for the religion.
1. So for 4000 years, by your own admission, there has not been a coherent ideology of Hinduism. If Hindus could not find a unifying ideology in 4000 years, what makes you confident that they will find it in the last 1000?
2. Lets say that these scholars did find a unifying ideology. They have clearly failed to make it stick to the population. Even the first guy who I responded to was calming that there are no standards and coherent ideology of Hinduism. He was bragging about this. It's like me bragging about my favorite sports team by saying "each one of our players does what ever they want and no one is there to unify them" well....that's a good recipe for a really bad team.
The rest is you just showing your inferiority complex by saying that last part.
we are discussing the differences between Dharmic and Abrahamic religion, not who gets more respects or who makes more kheer.

 

[kingkobra]

I heard in Srilanka, most Budhists temples host Hindu gods like Shiva,Vishnu,Brahma. Not sure how true it is though?

Idol worship was incorporated into Hindusim via jainism and buddhism...oldest temples in India are not as old as Buddhist stupas...You will find brahma, vishnu in Buddhist scripture prior to their mention in Puranas..

 

[Rusty]

And he will quote the same verses to justify killing someone .

And killing minorities in thousands is your Pipe dream .

They cry about Islamic Invasion in the same way they cry for British Invasion .

Invasion is invasion and we as a culture don't celebrate it . not sure about you .

Regarding Orrisa , its Bad and I CONDEMN it , but every religion has it's bad apples , some more than others , why can't Hindus have some bad apples amongst them .

And Kerela Hindus do eat BEEF . They are also Hindus . No problems . Regarding the Ban , I hope it is removed soon .

And a Vegetarian will preach his POV , whats so wrong about it . Everyone preaches what he believes in and again some more than others .Don't we have enough Cyber moulvies on PDF , Preaching Islam and opening threads about conversion with garnishing of Jazakallah and mashallah . Dharmic People rarely do it , if they do it .

I was going to do a large rebuttle of your points but then I realized who I was talking to.
It's a wast of time.


At the end of the day Hinduism has no coherent ideology and that is why some people are enacting jail time for killing animals while other peoples are sacrificing them in the temples.

LOL , you still are not able to digest the concept of CHOICE and PERSONAL PATH which Dharmic religions provide . I understand where you are coming from and why you are in so dire need of "coherent" ideology , even when after yours having "coherent" ideology their are factions almost as old as the religion itself who do not look eye to eye towards each other .

What if I told you that my personal path in my Dharmic religion was to kill 100 innocent people?
That is my choice and I am using it to get closer to God.
According to you that is perfectly fine since you think having standards and coherent ideology is a bad thing.

btw, I really hope your cricket teams/military/police have the same attitude.
It should be their choice how they play/fight/uphold the law.
and everyone should be free to do what ever they want.
we all know that, that is the best way to build a team/society.

 

[Rusty]

All dharmic religions believe that way to salvation has many doors unline abrahmic religions which say that only way to salvation is through jesus or mohammad....This narrow mindedness is foreign to this land has caused enough troubles already....

Actions speak louder than words

2002 Gujarat violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Orissa, India Christians Still Face Boycott, Forced Conversion

Just two examples, countless more available.

 

[Cherokee]

Lets do some critical analysis.
He was bragging about this. It's like me bragging about my favorite sports team by saying "each one of our players does what ever they want and no one is there to unify them" well....that's a good recipe for a really bad team.
.

Religion for you might be a sports team , where you are out to compete with other "sports team" and win the cup for "ultimate sports team" . Thats not the case with dharmic religions and i am sure it would be hard for you to grasp it going by the analogy you presented .

 

[kingkobra]

I was going to do a large rebuttle of your points but then I realized who I was talking to.
It's a wast of time.


At the end of the day Hinduism has no coherent ideology and that is why some people are enacting jail time for killing animals while other peoples are sacrificing them in the temples.




What if I told you that my personal path in my Dharmic religion was to kill 100 innocent people?
That is my choice and I am using it to get closer to God.
According to you that is perfectly fine since you think having standards and coherent ideology is a bad thing.

btw, I really hope your cricket teams/military/police have the same attitude.
It should be their choice how they play/fight/uphold the law.
and everyone should be free to do what ever they want.
we all know that, that is the best way to build a team/society.

Absence of coherent ideology does not mean that carrying out murder of innocents will get you closer to god...
All dharmic religions have common foundation and that is ahimsa...the bloodshed of innocent animals in temples is not dharmic but this happens will all the religions...they do not remain what they started as otherwise there would not have been so many sects in Islam and bloodshed that comes with them..