Sri Lanka drops plan to buy fighters from Pak after India objects

[abdulbarijan]

LOLZ, Now Pakistani are going to post the report and used colored font, underline parts does it make it equivalent to CAG report.

For those people CAG is the auditing authority, which is based on the data on paper and are usually for the older period status not the current. As far as the percentage of indegenous content is concerned, an example CAG will consider, MFD as imported, because it don't know that the MFD used is the interim and Samtel MFD is planned. So every chips in LRU should be sourced, from the local vendor, whether the local vendors imports that chips.

So for those once more whats indian in LCA

Airframe build - indian
Air Intake - Indian
CFC structure - TAML (tata advance material ltd)
The open-architecture integrated defensive aids suite (IDAS) Mayavi
Operational Data link (ODL) - Indian (DARE)
Mission Computer - Indian (HAL)
EW Suite - Indian (IDAS)
RAM-1701AS radio altimeter
TACAN-2901AJ and DME-2950A tactical air navigation system combined with the ANS-1100A VOL/ILS marker
CIT-4000A Mk12 IFF transponder CABS
COM-1150A UHF standby comms radio
HADF - Siva Pod
SDR-2010 SoftNET four-channel VHF/UHF and L-band radio
Bheem-EU brake control/engine/electrical monitoring system
Sigma-95N ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system coupled to a GPS receiver - SAGEM
RWR - Indian Tarang MK 2/3
Glass Cockpit - Indian
Training Software - Indian


On board oxygen generator - Indian (L&T)
Pilot G-Suit - Indian
FBW - Indian
Landing Gear - Indian
Tyre - Indian (MRF)

What could be replaced in future by Indian

MMR- Uttam Aesa
BVR - Astra 1/2
LGB - Sudarshan
ALCM - Mini Brahmos

And Pakistani always crying for LCA a foriegn product but why are they mute for SAAB Grippen

Question for @abdulbarijan Do you have any comparitively auditing authority in Pakistan like CAG ?



There are two way of seeing this thing

1. First a country without any industrial base is manufacturing a license product which is developed as a JV and now claiming to manufacture 80% indegenously parts -- e.g if there are 8000 parts, in which an Engine is just one part, and a small LRU is also another part, so the number of small parts from bracket to switch when calculated will easily comes out to be 80%

2. Second way is on weight percentage where a country who have developed its own indegenous fighter aircraft, and it is manufacturing the stucture say composite, whose resin are imported from foriegn vendor, is now considered as the imported, because the OEM manufacturing is yet to find the local aproved supplier/subcontractor, who could provide that component of similar quality.

What ever you consider its goods, but making underline and post colorful does not make an impressive analysis post or thesis.

While the CAG report seems to have been removed, there was an excerpt that was posted by one of the Indian members here ...

Other Main Points in the Report:
(1) There is a Lack of User Involvement in the Project.
(2) Lack in indigenisation as, The Kaveri Jet engine was not as per requirement, the engine weight exceeded by 135 kilo Newton (Kn) against the requirement of 81 KN despite extentions of the project schedule.
Development of Radome The Radome is a primary structure on an aircraft, which houses the antenna. It needed to possess electro-magnetic (EM) transparency to get the best performance of the Antenna as well asstructural integrity. HAL showed (June 2012) high loss of signal power resulting in significant reduction in radar range thereby affecting its performance. ADA had to conclude (September 2013) a contract with M/s
Cobham, England for development and supply of six Radomes 4 with quartz material at a cost of GBP 2.5 million (22.75 crore) by January 2015 for testing on LCA.
Development of Multi-Mode Radar (MMR) Multi-Mode Radar (MMR) is used in LCA for tracking targets from Air to Air, Air to Surface including sea. It facilitates all weather launching of weapons. It should operate under different modes viz., single target tracking (STT) 5 mode, close combat mode and air-to-ground ranging
modes. Thus, indigenous development of MMR for LCA could not be accomplished even after 22 years. Further, pending testing of MMR with the newly developed Radome, the performance testing and integration of MMR would remain incomplete, which would impact the combat employability of LCA.
Multi-Functional Display System (MFDS) Fact remains that HAL was unable to manufacture MFDs either in-house or through the JV Company formed for the specific purpose of developing MFDs and had to resort to procurement from foreign source.

Jet Fuel Starter (JFS)
JFS is used to start the engine. Its performance becomes very critical particularly while operating in the Himalayan Terrain, where the temperature goes below (–) 16 degrees centigrade. As per the ASR, the LCA power plant and intake should permit at least two consecutive starts. We observed from the records of ADA that IAF expressed the need for three consecutive starts capability of JFS against its own approved ASR. This was necessitated to cater for two main engine starts and dry rollover in-between. Modified JFS (GTSU 110 M1) could not be proved for the mandatory three consecutive starts in the high altitude trials
and in cold weather trials held in January 2013 and January 2014 respectively at Leh. During the trials held (January 2014) at Bangalore, excessive oil consumption by JFS beyond permitted levels was noticed.

Flight Control System Actuators
LCA is equipped with quadruplex digital Fly-By-Wire Flight Control System. The maneuverability of the LCA is controlled by 13 Flight Control System Actuators Audit observed (September 2014) from the records of HAL that it continued to procure the Actuators from foreign source due to the delay in indigenous development of the actuators. HAL replied (September 2014) that the development work and the qualification tests were completed in January 2014 and the first stage of supply of actuators would be completed by December 2014.

AS a Result, indigenous content of LCA estimated by ADA as 70 per cent actually amounted to about 35 per cent (January 2015), with the aircraft dependent on foreign sources forimportant components such as aero engine, Multi-Mode Radar, Radome, Flight control System Actuators and Multi-Functional Display System.

Source: The Evaluation of Report on LCA by comptroler Auditor General (CAG)

-Coming to Gripen, no one cares because the swedes don't go and boast about how Gripen is superior to another platform because its "indigenous" ... the points of parity and points of differences lie in the product and its capabilities rather then jingoism about how "indigenous" and "made in Sweden" the Gripen is ... unlike the little tejas ...

-Lastly, no matter what you say or do ... the facts are there for the people to look ... the sad reality of it all is no matter how many times you post the same post over and over again ... to have an "AHA moment" ... the LCA is not inducted ... and as per the same CAG reports many short falls have been highlighted ... add to that another delay is already there with the FOC delaying from the originally planned 2015 to march 2016 ...

Fact is, it is not the Pakistani side that brings up this indigenous discussion in the first place because we know well that we do not possess the industrial base to fully manufacture an aircraft from scratch, this happens to be our first effort ... and for us the purpose was to get a midtier aircraft that is capable enough and is cost effective enough to have a mass replacement of all our obsolete aircraft ... guess what ... we succeeded ..

Thats the reason why this indigenous debate is there in the first place because Indians like yourself just cannot accept that JFT is inducted and participating in airshows, war effort against TTP etc. while LCA is on the tarmac undergoing "test" and delays, while IAF faces a pilot problem as well as serviceability issues and add to that the decrease in the squadron strength ... and hence to satisfy the ego, this "indigenous" debate is put up ... and sold to the public etc. But then the tables turn and the CAG goes and burst that little bubble of "atleast its indigenous" as well ... So please continue the rant, if that helps with the burn in the rear end...

 

[ThaniOruvan]

Way to go. Has India started playing the power game ?

 

[Viper0011.]

So you mean to say that Pakistan does not need to cover all of India including the southern and eastern sectors? - some poor planning it is considering India is the chief threat to Pakistan @MastanKhan

How could Pakistan cover all of India with an AF that has less than 400 4th generation jets????? I odn't even understand the reason behind your post. About 90% of the time, whenever there is any article or mention of the PAF vs. IAF, the PAF is ALWAYS regards as a "capable defensive force". Pakistan's main competition is the Indian fleet touching her borders.

Similarly, India can't move everyone from the entire India and start a war with Pakistan. The Chinese would LOVE such an opportunity to come 200 more KM's inside your territory and call that "China". Like they've always done.

Pakistan isn't the size of India. To cover India militarily, they don't use the PAF. They use their missile systems. Which is why India is on fire to build ABM's ASAP through getting technology and training from Israel.

 

[Defender@@]

Russia does use SU-30. Latest Russia used SU-30 in Syria. Pls comment when you're sure.

Russia started using almost a decade after it was inducted by India ...

 

[Razia Sultana]

Interesting to see that you have NO military background, otherwise you wouldn't have asked such a naive question. China is massive, she doesn't have requirements similar to Pakistan. Their external facing fighters are all going to be Twin Engined jets due to USN, Japan and some others (including India) keeping a range of F-15's, F-18', F-22's, Rafales, EFT's, Tornados, SU-30's and Mig-29's.

So the Chinese threat perception is entirely different than Pakistan. Flying from within China or from the Chinese oceans, doesn't get them anywhere within two hours. But the JFT can get to every major airbase on the Western side of India, within two hours and can go across the entire Pakistan within a 2 hours flight. So would they even think about a plane that's designed for a smaller geography and lower payload for an entirely different threat perception.

What you are asking is that a big family of 10 people living an hour outside of a city should buy a compact electric car that can only seat 4 people and was really designed for a 2 hour city commute with smaller batteries, instead of a Mini van that was actually designed for a family of ten with more range and load carrying ability.

When I as in college they did not recruit women in the army and moreover I opted for home-making as my career. So you are absolutely right in guessing that I have no military background. Do you have a military background? I am sure most of the members here aren't. Question is if china's defence strategy had no place for the JFT why did they develop it? or perhaps by the time they developed it, they outlived its utility. Its the same reason LCA Tejas is not yet inducted in IAF. Make sense.

 

[knight11]

While the CAG report seems to have been removed, there was an excerpt that was posted by one of the Indian members here ...



-Coming to Gripen, no one cares because the swedes don't go and boast about how Gripen is superior to another platform because its "indigenous" ... the points of parity and points of differences lie in the product and its capabilities rather then jingoism about how "indigenous" and "made in Sweden" the Gripen is ... unlike the little tejas ...

-Lastly, no matter what you say or do ... the facts are there for the people to look ... the sad reality of it all is no matter how many times you post the same post over and over again ... to have an "AHA moment" ... the LCA is not inducted ... and as per the same CAG reports many short falls have been highlighted ... add to that another delay is already there with the FOC delaying from the originally planned 2015 to march 2016 ...

Fact is, it is not the Pakistani side that brings up this indigenous discussion in the first place because we know well that we do not possess the industrial base to fully manufacture an aircraft from scratch, this happens to be our first effort ... and for us the purpose was to get a midtier aircraft that is capable enough and is cost effective enough to have a mass replacement of all our obsolete aircraft ... guess what ... we succeeded ..

Thats the reason why this indigenous debate is there in the first place because Indians like yourself just cannot accept that JFT is inducted and participating in airshows, war effort against TTP etc. while LCA is on the tarmac undergoing "test" and delays, while IAF faces a pilot problem as well as serviceability issues and add to that the decrease in the squadron strength ... and hence to satisfy the ego, this "indigenous" debate is put up ... and sold to the public etc. But then the tables turn and the CAG goes and burst that little bubble of "atleast its indigenous" as well ... So please continue the rant, if that helps with the burn in the rear end...

-Lastly, no matter what you say or do ... the facts are there for the people to look ... the sad reality of it all is no matter how many times you post the same post over and over again ... to have an "AHA moment" ... the LCA is already officially inducted ... and as per the same CAG reports many short falls have been highlighted which is the JOB of this Agency which if you read point wise its total 53 of which 45 will be addressed with MK-1A and with FOC which will be in this year LCA would be with the full capability ready unlike the Sino-pak Single Engine fighter plane FC-1, which is still in IOC stage.

You belong to those group, who still are living in the DODO land of

1. Who will detect whom first with uttly buttly bullshit Calculation
2. Who could not understand that LCA program is not only a fighter plane, but to provide India, the aerospace ecosystem (India set more that 100 PSUs and institution, Tata Aerospace, Reliance, Godrej, Mahindra Aerospace more than 20 pvt players), lower the technological gap (FBW, FADEEC, Turbo jet Engine, Composite stucture expertise,), and self reliance ().
3. Fails to Understand that LCA is long flying with the MIG-27UPG, Jaguar Darin, and MKI EW suite.
4. Fail to Understand that LCA is already a Hit project with 120 confirm order of MK1A, 40 N-LCA MK2 and around 80 tandem seat LIFT. SOP have been given on Aug 2015, and it takes time to set up the line to ramp up the production.
5. Fail to understand the Heat of LCA-MK2 to the SAAB, now trying hard to jeopardize the Indian effort because of its capable contendor to Grippen-NG, which could be offered with Indian, Russian, Israeli, and French Radars (EL/M-2032/EL/M-2052, Uttam,) and weapons (Derby,python-f/Astra 1/2, R77 R73).

Here is the explaination of the CAG report

Other Main Points in the Report:
(1) There is a Lack of User Involvement in the Project.

This is point for the IAF

(2) Lack in indigenisation as, The Kaveri Jet engine was not as per requirement, the engine weight exceeded by 135 kilo Newton (Kn) against the requirement of 81 KN despite extentions of the project schedule.

135 KN or 132 Killo, Kaveri have been delinked from the LCA program, and GE F404 INS have been choosen for MK-1, and F414 IN for MK-2

Development of Radome The Radome is a primary structure on an aircraft, which houses the antenna. It needed to possess electro-magnetic (EM) transparency to get the best performance of the Antenna as well asstructural integrity. HAL showed (June 2012) high loss of signal power resulting in significant reduction in radar range thereby affecting its performance. ADA had to conclude (September 2013) a contract with M/s
Cobham, England for development and supply of six Radomes 4 with quartz material at a cost of GBP 2.5 million (22.75 crore) by January 2015 for testing on LCA.

NAL have good experience in designing of Kevelar Radome, and had designed Radome of Jaguar earlier, but with test it found that the loss was high, so to save the time quartz Radome was ordered for Cobham, which is the worlds best company who supplied such radome for many fighter planes including Grippen and EF-2000 the quartz Radome was ordered. This is not the first case, even the typhoon got such glitches and shuch glitches are ironed out gradually



Development of Multi-Mode Radar (MMR) Multi-Mode Radar (MMR) is used in LCA for tracking targets from Air to Air, Air to Surface including sea. It facilitates all weather launching of weapons. It should operate under different modes viz., single target tracking (STT) 5 mode, close combat mode and air-to-ground ranging
modes. Thus, indigenous development of MMR for LCA could not be accomplished even after 22 years. Further, pending testing of MMR with the newly developed Radome, the performance testing and integration of MMR would remain incomplete, which would impact the combat employability of LCA.

Indegenous AESA Radar Uttam is been developed, and probably be retrofitted in MK-2 for intrim we are using Elta EL/M-2052

Multi-Functional Display System (MFDS) Fact remains that HAL was unable to manufacture MFDs either in-house or through the JV Company formed for the specific purpose of developing MFDs and had to resort to procurement from foreign source.

Old story MFDs are now supplied by Indian firm SAMTEL

Jet Fuel Starter (JFS)
JFS is used to start the engine. Its performance becomes very critical particularly while operating in the Himalayan Terrain, where the temperature goes below (–) 16 degrees centigrade. As per the ASR, the LCA power plant and intake should permit at least two consecutive starts. We observed from the records of ADA that IAF expressed the need for three consecutive starts capability of JFS against its own approved ASR. This was necessitated to cater for two main engine starts and dry rollover in-between. Modified JFS (GTSU 110 M1) could not be proved for the mandatory three consecutive starts in the high altitude trials
and in cold weather trials held in January 2013 and January 2014 respectively at Leh. During the trials held (January 2014) at Bangalore, excessive oil consumption by JFS beyond permitted levels was noticed.

That is the point they are reading the old reports. Indian Jet Fuel Started developed by DRDO, is the best to fulfill Indian airforce requirement. Because even MKI fuel started of russian origin fails in this test and now using the Indian fuel starter -- To be precise all MMRCA including F-16 fails in this test and the technicians of the the OEM have to work out to fulfill such extreme test. In case of LCA, it has long passed this test.

Flight Control System Actuators
LCA is equipped with quadruplex digital Fly-By-Wire Flight Control System. The maneuverability of the LCA is controlled by 13 Flight Control System Actuators Audit observed (September 2014) from the records of HAL that it continued to procure the Actuators from foreign source due to the delay in indigenous development of the actuators. HAL replied (September 2014) that the development work and the qualification tests were completed in January 2014 and the first stage of supply of actuators would be completed by December 2014.

Actuators were sourced from foriegn firms initially and work to make indigenous is there but every time its not ECONOMICAL.

AS a Result, indigenous content of LCA estimated by ADA as 70 per cent actually amounted to about 35 per cent (January 2015), with the aircraft dependent on foreign sources forimportant components such as aero engine, Multi-Mode Radar, Radome, Flight control System Actuators and Multi-Functional Display System.

Source: Sri Lanka drops plan to buy fighters from Pak after India objects | Page 11


This is How the calculation of indegenous content works i.e on the weight percentage in case of LCA -- Composites Resigs are outsourced from Japan and Singapore, so they are foriegn, Engine are US origin so foreign, and MMR is Israeli so foriegn, what is jeft is the stucture canopy and landing Gear.
For JF-17 Engine is one part, so out of all parts including Nuts and bolts, switch, brackets, the number of parts manufactured in Kamra is now 80%

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @MilSpec

Brothers we all know its uneconomical to manufacture each and every part in the country, and why not make a thread named it LCA facts and compiled all these Pakistani Sabre ratting and BS and answer. So how many times we have to answer those Bull shit question. They are again to Troller, CAG reports, Blah Blah Blah

CAG is our own auditing authority, and it highlights our main flaws according to the reports whats we gave them. Its not a scientific agency, and gives recomendation not an order.

 

[abdulbarijan]

-Lastly, no matter what you say or do ... the facts are there for the people to look ... the sad reality of it all is no matter how many times you post the same post over and over again ... to have an "AHA moment" ... the LCA is already officially inducted ... and as per the same CAG reports many short falls have been highlighted which is the JOB of this Agency which if you read point wise its total 53 of which 45 will be addressed with MK-1A and with FOC which will be in this year LCA would be with the full capability ready unlike the Sino-pak Single Engine fighter plane FC-1, which is still in IOC stage.

You belong to those group, who still are living in the DODO land of

1. Who will detect whom first with uttly buttly bullshit Calculation
2. Who could not understand that LCA program is not only a fighter plane, but to provide India, the aerospace ecosystem (India set more that 100 PSUs and institution, Tata Aerospace, Reliance, Godrej, Mahindra Aerospace more than 20 pvt players), lower the technological gap (FBW, FADEEC, Turbo jet Engine, Composite stucture expertise,), and self reliance ().
3. Fails to Understand that LCA is long flying with the MIG-27UPG, Jaguar Darin, and MKI EW suite.
4. Fail to Understand that LCA is already a Hit project with 120 confirm order of MK1A, 40 N-LCA MK2 and around 80 tandem seat LIFT. SOP have been given on Aug 2015, and it takes time to set up the line to ramp up the production.
5. Fail to understand the Heat of LCA-MK2 to the SAAB, now trying hard to jeopardize the Indian effort because of its capable contendor to Grippen-NG, which could be offered with Indian, Russian, Israeli, and French Radars (EL/M-2032/EL/M-2052, Uttam,) and weapons (Derby,python-f/Astra 1/2, R77 R73).

Here is the explaination of the CAG report

Other Main Points in the Report:
(1) There is a Lack of User Involvement in the Project.

This is point for the IAF

(2) Lack in indigenisation as, The Kaveri Jet engine was not as per requirement, the engine weight exceeded by 135 kilo Newton (Kn) against the requirement of 81 KN despite extentions of the project schedule.

135 KN or 132 Killo, Kaveri have been delinked from the LCA program, and GE F404 INS have been choosen for MK-1, and F414 IN for MK-2

Development of Radome The Radome is a primary structure on an aircraft, which houses the antenna. It needed to possess electro-magnetic (EM) transparency to get the best performance of the Antenna as well asstructural integrity. HAL showed (June 2012) high loss of signal power resulting in significant reduction in radar range thereby affecting its performance. ADA had to conclude (September 2013) a contract with M/s
Cobham, England for development and supply of six Radomes 4 with quartz material at a cost of GBP 2.5 million (22.75 crore) by January 2015 for testing on LCA.

NAL have good experience in designing of Kevelar Radome, and had designed Radome of Jaguar earlier, but with test it found that the loss was high, so to save the time quartz Radome was ordered for Cobham, which is the worlds best company who supplied such radome for many fighter planes including Grippen and EF-2000 the quartz Radome was ordered. This is not the first case, even the typhoon got such glitches and shuch glitches are ironed out gradually



Development of Multi-Mode Radar (MMR) Multi-Mode Radar (MMR) is used in LCA for tracking targets from Air to Air, Air to Surface including sea. It facilitates all weather launching of weapons. It should operate under different modes viz., single target tracking (STT) 5 mode, close combat mode and air-to-ground ranging
modes. Thus, indigenous development of MMR for LCA could not be accomplished even after 22 years. Further, pending testing of MMR with the newly developed Radome, the performance testing and integration of MMR would remain incomplete, which would impact the combat employability of LCA.

Indegenous AESA Radar Uttam is been developed, and probably be retrofitted in MK-2 for intrim we are using Elta EL/M-2052

Multi-Functional Display System (MFDS) Fact remains that HAL was unable to manufacture MFDs either in-house or through the JV Company formed for the specific purpose of developing MFDs and had to resort to procurement from foreign source.

Old story MFDs are now supplied by Indian firm SAMTEL

Jet Fuel Starter (JFS)
JFS is used to start the engine. Its performance becomes very critical particularly while operating in the Himalayan Terrain, where the temperature goes below (–) 16 degrees centigrade. As per the ASR, the LCA power plant and intake should permit at least two consecutive starts. We observed from the records of ADA that IAF expressed the need for three consecutive starts capability of JFS against its own approved ASR. This was necessitated to cater for two main engine starts and dry rollover in-between. Modified JFS (GTSU 110 M1) could not be proved for the mandatory three consecutive starts in the high altitude trials
and in cold weather trials held in January 2013 and January 2014 respectively at Leh. During the trials held (January 2014) at Bangalore, excessive oil consumption by JFS beyond permitted levels was noticed.

That is the point they are reading the old reports. Indian Jet Fuel Started developed by DRDO, is the best to fulfill Indian airforce requirement. Because even MKI fuel started of russian origin fails in this test and now using the Indian fuel starter -- To be precise all MMRCA including F-16 fails in this test and the technicians of the the OEM have to work out to fulfill such extreme test. In case of LCA, it has long passed this test.

Flight Control System Actuators
LCA is equipped with quadruplex digital Fly-By-Wire Flight Control System. The maneuverability of the LCA is controlled by 13 Flight Control System Actuators Audit observed (September 2014) from the records of HAL that it continued to procure the Actuators from foreign source due to the delay in indigenous development of the actuators. HAL replied (September 2014) that the development work and the qualification tests were completed in January 2014 and the first stage of supply of actuators would be completed by December 2014.

Actuators were sourced from foriegn firms initially and work to make indigenous is there but every time its not ECONOMICAL.

AS a Result, indigenous content of LCA estimated by ADA as 70 per cent actually amounted to about 35 per cent (January 2015), with the aircraft dependent on foreign sources forimportant components such as aero engine, Multi-Mode Radar, Radome, Flight control System Actuators and Multi-Functional Display System.

Source: Sri Lanka drops plan to buy fighters from Pak after India objects | Page 11


This is How the calculation of indegenous content works i.e on the weight percentage in case of LCA -- Composites Resigs are outsourced from Japan and Singapore, so they are foriegn, Engine are US origin so foreign, and MMR is Israeli so foriegn, what is jeft is the stucture canopy and landing Gear.
For JF-17 Engine is one part, so out of all parts including Nuts and bolts, switch, brackets, the number of parts manufactured in Kamra is now 80%

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @MilSpec

Brothers we all know its uneconomical to manufacture each and every part in the country, and why not make a thread named it LCA facts and compiled all these Pakistani Sabre ratting and BS and answer. So how many times we have to answer those Bull shit question. They are again to Troller, CAG reports, Blah Blah Blah

CAG is our own auditing authority, and it highlights our main flaws according to the reports whats we gave them. Its not a scientific agency, and gives recomendation not an order.

Just a few things I noticed in your post

-"JF-17 is still an IOC aircraft" --- wrong it has been FOC certified in the late 2014
-"LCA will be with "full capability" this year" --- define "full capability" ... does that include failing on several accounts on the developed ASR?
coming to your list of points

1. Who will detect whom first with uttly buttly bullshit Calculation
2. Who could not understand that LCA program is not only a fighter plane, but to provide India, the aerospace ecosystem (India set more that 100 PSUs and institution, Tata Aerospace, Reliance, Godrej, Mahindra Aerospace more than 20 pvt players), lower the technological gap (FBW, FADEEC, Turbo jet Engine, Composite stucture expertise,), and self reliance ().
3. Fails to Understand that LCA is long flying with the MIG-27UPG, Jaguar Darin, and MKI EW suite.
4. Fail to Understand that LCA is already a Hit project with 120 confirm order of MK1A, 40 N-LCA MK2 and around 80 tandem seat LIFT. SOP have been given on Aug 2015, and it takes time to set up the line to ramp up the production.
5. Fail to understand the Heat of LCA-MK2 to the SAAB, now trying hard to jeopardize the Indian effort because of its capable contendor to Grippen-NG, which could be offered with Indian, Russian, Israeli, and French Radars (EL/M-2032/EL/M-2052, Uttam,) and weapons (Derby,python-f/Astra 1/2, R77 R73).

1. Did I mention anything about detection what so ever ? ... Desperate much ?
2. okay ... and the CAG report just captures how effective your "eco system" has been now doesn't it ?
3. So ... ?? Is it inducted ... how many squadrons does it have exactly ?
4. How many LCA MK1-A's have been produced exactly ?? thats right ZERO ... and we've heard about a certain 126 confirmed orders before ... but I'll try not to bring up sour memories ..
5. How many MK2's are there ?? thats right ZERO ...

Half your points are regarding the versions that don't even have technology demonstrators much less actual production or induction ... and plus in my original post ... my entire point was to stay on topic which doesn't happen to be LCA Tejas ... but no ... you guys had your egos hurt in quite a manner ... which has you talking as if we're in 2020 as opposed to 2016 where half the things you mention don't even exist ... So, like I said previously, continue the rant ... its quite entertaining... but while you do so, don't quote me ...

 

[sankar]

Russia started using almost a decade after it was inducted by India ...

So, that means - Russia understood the importance of SU-30.
But that does not mean Russia did not use SU-30.

 

[Glitcher]

whats the joke in it? Indian Air force has very unique and specific requirements. Most of the aircrafts IAF buys, undergo a lot of tweaking to suit it. The IAF fleet will have components that the original makers wont have. Be it SU 30 mki, mirages or upcoming rafales, they are fitted with many new things from different countries before they are inducted in IAF.
I am not saying JF-17 is a bad aircraft but curiosity is more towards PLAF strategy to not have them in their fleet. I am sure they must be looking at a much advancer version of this plane to be accepted by them. Same is the story of Tejas with IAF.

Even with AESA plaaf will not induct jft because they use heavies

 

[SrNair]

India should have been friendly and remained honest so never would have felt like insecure ever however, JFT is just only thing going to happen in SL but China as well. So also SL remember that Pakistan has helped her while fighting and kicking out the TL terrorists been backed by you know.......

Rest about indigenization, you have started jumping around but save your energy because it's going to be another decade or so because it is still like tareekh pa tareekh.... tareekh pa tareekh. That's why i have been asking you to remain on topic.

We only cares about our own national and strategic security .There is no element of honest in here.


FYI LCA is already inducted

Just a moment ago ... when you were falsifying CAG as stating 61% indigenous content for LCA Tejas ... CAG as a source was PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE ... now that you've been thoroughly proved wrong on that and caught with your pants down ... CAG becomes incompetent ...

You mentioned about CAG and I also posted exactly opposite to that statement which is also CAG .
CAG only knows the date provided by the ADA .
And a Pakistani tries to teach an Indian about an Indian auditing agency CAG

 

[The Eagle]

We only cares about our own national and strategic security .There is no element of honest in here.


FYI LCA is already inducted

Is that you have been thinking since yesterday.... You have done a great hard work though.... Why not to stop wasting our time and remain happy with whatever your dreaming. You are just a troll to start the things over and over again....

 

[The Eagle]

And who are you teach us about honesty ?That is from a nation that even have a reputation of terrorism among world .

Told you to stick to the topic though this could be discussed somewhere else but will only invite troll.

 

[SrNair]

Told you to stick to the topic though this could be discussed somewhere else but will only invite troll.

You should also stay on topic .

 

[The Eagle]

and the topic is Sri Lanka drops plan to buy fighters from Pak after India objects

You should also stay on topic .

So the question arises what are the objections or seriousness in it rather just an obsession with Pakistan. But wouldn't matter as their is no denial from SL clearly stating that they are not buying. Time will tell.

 

[SrNair]

and the topic is Sri Lanka drops plan to buy fighters from Pak after India objects



So the question arises what are the objections or seriousness in it rather just an obsession with Pakistan. But wouldn't matter as their is no denial from SL clearly stating that they are not buying. Time will tell.

And what is the topic Mr?
Noone says anything about Indian objection.But if they objected through back channels then you can confirm with cent percent ,this deal wont signed .Now or never.