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Speech by Maulana on the Funeral of Bank Manager Killed by Bank guard for Alleged Blasphemy

I was reading comments of people on this incident on BBC urdu page

99% comments were against the murderer so this guy isn't going to be a hero that he wanted himself to be

he used the wild card, got a little bit fame but this idiot didn't realize that he has hurt the law itself, i think it would best if he is prosecuted under the same blasphemy law, he turn the respect and honor of prophet into a personal vendetta .
 
It is apparently... Everytime a Muslim farts ... It's called terrorism... Whenever a white extremist attacks it's called confused-person-needing-love-and-hugs.... Like a teddy bear...

The funny thing you don’t see in our own post is that why farting in public in daylight first !? :cheesy:

There are many events involving Muslims in France, violent robberies, murders linked to drugs dealing, rapes, Etc. Culprits caught by police and sent to jail. But Never called terrorists acts in media. Just crimes. Maybe those news are not reported to you.

What u call being clever is actually being submissive and meek. Ofcourse people like u are ready for that but others in this country have honor. Its weird how suddenly they become dumb and insensitive when it comes to muslims, but laws are made for jews. Dont call it freedom of speech and expression then, dont call ur actions as defending freedom and values. What kind of values u have that involves offending more than a billion muslims?


The problem is are you allowing anyone to kill whoever does not fit in his conception of society in Pakistan or it is to State institutions to condemn and punish if found guilty with proofs ?
Would you accept that people kiss the head of a nobody guy who commit a murder or a terrorist act ? By going to your opinion, you would have accepted TTP sharia imposed on Pakistan. Or even their sharia doesn’t fit your conception of sharia ?

Even in France, many violent organisations have been banned. Now those ex violent organisations have setup new political branch’s who are using current laws to defend and advance their vision of the white and Christian France. They know that the new victory won’t be on the battlefield but on the debate fields. They are cleaning their violent side. Because they understood what is wise and what is anymore. Even if many people supported those former violent organisations never kissed the head of anyone found guilty of murder.
Few years ago a fight brook near my office in Paris between 2 groups one far right extremist guy punched to death a far left extremist. The murderer was arrested, and nobody kissed his head, his group was banned. This is how France works.
Now the new far right extremist party call all members to avoid stupid behaviours. This what I call being clever.

But if you are blood thirsty then I could understand you you want the right to kill

Had, if not all, at least many Pakistanis stood by law if Pakistan and had registered an FIR against and let the court to judge, I would have said ok it’s Pakistan and it’s own laws and people are respecting the laws of the country.

In same way, I remember few years ago 2 young Pakistanis brothers were badly tortured and killed just because someone shouted Robbers Robbers ! It was in Sialkot if I remember correctly. This is this kind of honor you are talking about ? May Allah give you haydayat.

Let Afghans problem outside, I don’t know from which hat are you pulling it.
Even myself have every time calling for a wise solution with Afghans. You seems very confused and mixing everything and fabricating some facts.

I don’t know from where you claim you know which people I prefer, and wasn’t aware you can read in the heart of people.
but whatever, I will tell you who I prefer : I prefer people who are looking for knowledge, people who use their brain, people who are wise, people who think about and take care of all humans.

And yes there are such people in every communities.
Find time to do an introspection of yourself.

he has to live in France, his situation is precarious ..

There are lot of people who want or are married to white chitee ghoriaans and who are crying for visa in Pakistan.

There is no precarious situation except for those who do not accept the laws of the country in which they are living.
 
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If law was actually implemented, that guard might have thought twice before murdering that innocent man.
First - The law needs reforms. No arrests or detention of anyone accused of Blasphemy until investigations are complete and the appeals process is exhausted (all the way to a full bench of the Supreme Court if necessary). The part about the appeals process is important because the lower courts have shown time and again that they are corrupt and incompetent and bow to pressure when issuing verdicts. We have people suffering for years in jails over mere blasphemy accusations that are false.

Second - did anyone file a case against the Bank Manager for Blasphemy? If not, then how can you say that the laws on Blasphemy aren't being implemented? Are you unaware of the multiple high profile cases where people accused of blasphemy are rotting or were rotting in jail?

Finally - there is NO, absolutely NO justification of people taking the law into their hands over something like Blasphemy. Is a Blasphemer threatening the lives and property of anyone? Is he threatening to steal someones property, rape someone, violently attack someone?

No - there is no imminent threat to the physical well being or material possessions of ANYONE from someone committing blasphemy that would justify any kind of a violent response by people. The inability of people to control their emotions over blasphemy is a damning indictment of the intolerance and childish attitudes we've developed.
 
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get out from your brown white complex.
Grow up ! Do abstraction of the colour of skin.
Was the man kissing the murderer qadri punished ?
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And You said supporters of terrorism are punished everywhere ?


Iin France this is something called “LAICITY”. This concept wasn’t born just for fun.

And it is roughly what you are proposing.
This Qadari guy been guaranteed by lawyers that he won't be punished and walk out free. But justice takes its course anyway.. He was crying like little baby when taking him to death cell.
 
The security guard probably had some personal issues with the manager. Accusing someone of blasphemy in Pakistan is a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card in Pakistan. Also the excuse he invented is plain stupid. You'd think after all the madrassas in Pakistan, people would have a better understanding of religion.
We do.

Here's some extremely important religious issues that our Maulvis and Ulema can't stop commenting on

1. How far above your ankles should your shalwar/pants be
2. How long should your beard be
2 (b) Fashionable beards are forbidden
3. Which hand should you eat your food with
4. Which hand should you wipe your arse with
5. Which foot should you enter a mosque with
6. Why laws against underage marriage are a 'Amreeki-Yahoodi-Klingon conspiracy'
7. Why laws against domestic abuse are a 'Amreeki-Yahoodi-Klingon conspiracy'
8. Why are Shia Kaafir
9. Why are Ahmadis Kaafir
10. Why are we all Kaafir … shit … I mean, is anyone left who hasn't been declared Kaafir?
 
This Qadari guy been guaranteed by lawyers that he won't be punished and walk out free. But justice takes its course anyway.. He was crying like little baby when taking him to death cell.

He was already feeling the rope around his neck.

And what about the lawyer who kissed the murderer ? He at his level is encouraging such crimes. Is encouraging murder allowed in Pakistan ?
 
He was already feeling the rope around his neck.

And what about the lawyer who kissed the murderer ? He at his level is encouraging such crimes. Is encouraging murder allowed in Pakistan ?

Lawyers are criminals anyway.
 
Good Maulana- Bad Maulana
Good terrorist- Bad terrorist
The line separating them is very very thin.
 
First - The law needs reforms. No arrests or detention of anyone accused of Blasphemy until investigations are complete and the appeals process is exhausted (all the way to a full bench of the Supreme Court if necessary). The part about the appeals process is important because the lower courts have shown time and again that they are corrupt and incompetent and bow to pressure when issuing verdicts.

Agreed. But the process has to be completed with in a certain time and not dragged to multiple years. Justice served late is also a concern here.

We have people suffering for years in jails over mere blasphemy accusations that are false.

Not only for false blasphemy accusations, people are suffering for other false accusations as well. So yes, judicial reforms are a necessity.

Second - did anyone file a case against the Bank Manager for Blasphemy? If not, then how can you say that the laws on Blasphemy aren't being implemented?

Why would some one file a case when people already don't trust the judicial and punishment system? People do tend to take law into their own hand, because of corruption and incompetent judicial system. With one, thinking the other person wouldn't get punished even if they go through the proper process, second thinking they themselves wouldn't get punished if they take law into their own hand and third, not going through the judicial process because of financial restrictions.

Finally - there is NO, absolutely NO justification of people taking the law into their hands over something like Blasphemy.

Who is justifying killing of an innocent person? No one. But we do have to understand and find reason of why incident like these happen and how to mitigate them.


Is a Blasphemer threatening the lives and property of anyone? Is he threatening to steal someones property, rape someone, violently attack someone?

It creates fitna. Sure, you might not see it as an imminent threat to anyone's life but it damages the homogeneity of the society. What you are saying is exactly what macron is preaching. Freedom of speech and expression have a limit and a blasphemer crosses that limit.

No - there is no imminent threat to the physical well being or material possessions of ANYONE from someone committing blasphemy that would justify any kind of a violent response by people. The inability of people to control their emotions over blasphemy is a damning indictment of the intolerance and childish attitudes we've developed.

As I said before if laws were properly implemented you wouldn't see this in our society. It's not the law that is of an issue, but the implementation of the law that needs a thorough check. We are not west, our morals aren't subjectively created, our morals are objectively derived from the source(The Creator, God, Allah).
 
Religious bodies is the only solution. You cant resolve this issue by 10 thousandas of asma jhangjir's NGO and khooni libreals.
Unfortuntnately , these Human rights NGOs empowered during musharaf that civil society organisations and individuals raise 'false alarm on sensitive issues like this through rhetoric tarnishe the image of pakistan and muslims without any clear
Justification and undermines the geniune issue.
This report help to understand how this type of issues created from our NGOs and then these issues picked by millions of indian systematically make as top trends by google search .

 

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