Special Report: Trump told Saudis: Cut oil supply or lose U.S. military support - sources

[-SINAN-]

True. it's a deal. But there are more than one players can provide protection nowadays. It's not 1991 any more.

In theory yes, there are some other powers. But can you show me to, which country China or Russia giving ptotection?

 

[vi-va]

In theory yes, there are some other powers. But can you show me to, which country China or Russia giving ptotection?

Giving? Not yet. Saudi policy change won't happen one day. It's a process when Saudi adopt more balanced foreign policy, not solely dependent on US.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

KSA has that same mentality as some of our elite liberals. If something is from oversea, that is has to be good. Plus people must know that we spent top notch money on it. USA is brand name.

Saudi have the same issue. They view US arms as top notch, and all other countries are worthless. The thing is, you can buy all the sparkling gold weapons you want, if you don't know how to use it, you will fail. That is why for over 6+ years, KSA with big arsenal of weapons from USA, still can't win a war in Yemen, who are fighting with weapons from other lessor country.

US tech is top-notch. No doubt about it.

5-star hotels serve the best food too - you can probably never replicate that at home.
But home cooked is catered to your taste, health and you can eat as much as you like. It's always there in good times and bad. If the hotel decides not to serve you, you go hungry - never so with home cooking.

 

[FuturePAF]

There is a lot of untapped demand in the developing world for oil and petrochemical products. Saudi Arabia will remain at the mercy of great powers if it does help develop nearby allies and tie them into an economic-industrial-security alliance.

A major Saudi Oil refinery and oil storage facility each in Egypt and Pakistan; with oil transported via undersea pipelines (or by tanker, what ever is cheaper in the long run) could allow the Saudi to develop a modern petrochemical industry in these two primarily agriculture dependent nations. Saudi investment into developing these two countries just on their periphery will utilize their young, educated, and affordable labor force to manufacture products for export as well as tie in these countries into a security agreement against Iran and its proxies.

Even if the excess oil is not exported beyond these two countries, their finished products and high productivity in other sectors can be exported; perhaps not to the US, which may impose tariffs, but to Europe (exports from Egypt) and Asia (exports from Pakistan)

Cheapest oil in the world from Saudi + “cheap” (relatively speaking) labor in Egypt and Pakistan + Saudis buying the most modern technology for these factories = high quality products are great prices.

This will also employ Saudis in Management fields by the 100,000s if not Millions. Basically all of what was planned for NEOM city should be build in these lower labor cost countries, which are closer to the intended markets, in smaller special economic zones. Saudi money and resources are input and local labor and contractors work to export to other nations, as well as develop the host countries and share in the rewards.

In the special economic zones, Saudi companies and local sub-contractors could build massive housing projects and enjoy the sustainable return of rental income for the growing populations of Egypt and Pakistan as well as new for Gulf residents wanting to live by the Mediterranean or The mountains of Pakistan. Invest in water storage and management could also open up slot of arable land Saudi companies could invest in to create sustainable food supplies for their population into the future. Especially organic farming at an industrial scale; with markets like China and East Asia nearby on Chinese rail infrastructure.

For the Saudis to build upon the initial investment of CPEC in Pakistan, will help lower the risks of being the first investor; and a lot of the remittances earned by Pakistanis and Egyptians in Saudi can be reinvested into Saudi housing in the two countries for example.

This will allow Pakistan and Egypt to equip themselves with the most modern weapons to protect Saudi Arabia, from foreign threats, while a thriving Saudi economy will help deal with domestic threats.

 

[925boy]

In theory yes, there are some other powers. But can you show me to, which country China or Russia giving ptotection?

Russia and CHina are currently giving Syria and Venezuela protection imo.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

More invented tragicomical news. Similar to news of Trump "threatening" KSA with a nuclear attack.

"Sources" tell my ***.

The article suggests that KSA was used and forced. However, that was not true, not even one bit. Here is a quote: "The prospect of losing U.S. military protection made the royal family “bend at the knees” and bow to Trump’s demands, a Middle Eastern diplomat told Reuters."

What actually happened?

Key information:

- There are three players, KSA, Russia, and the U.S

- OPEC+ includes OPEC members and others, such as Russia

- Both Russia and the. U.S are not members of OPEC

- Oil demand declined because of COVID-19, and KSA wanted to cut - down production to maintain a reasonable price

- Although they had an agreement (KSA and Russia), Russia refused to cut down its production

- The U.S actually increased its production to take advantage of the situation

- The U.S has always acted independently because they believe that it is a free market and there should never be such agreements

- KSA got a bit mad and said, alright.

- KSA increased its production to bring Russia back to the table

- Oil price went down

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1239713308430815232

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1247985004388528129

What happened to the free market talking? Well....

- However, On Apr 13, 2020, they (INCLUDING the U.S) reached an agreement to cut down production

The article: A negative story about KSA

Reality: KSA disciplined two amateur players, and DID NOT cut its production down until they reached an agreement.

BTW the very second KSA would fall out with the US, ALL the other world powers would be waiting and fighting to establish a stronghold in KSA. KSA is way too important for the US. After all it was the US that initiated this relationship during the Roosevelt era and emerged as the strongest world power ally after previous failed USSR and British attempts. It would be very foolish for both parties to turn hostile nor would it be strategically smart for either party.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...se-u-s-military-support-sources-idUSKBN22C1V4


Trump delivered the message to the crown prince 10 days before the announcement of production cuts. The kingdom’s de facto leader was so taken aback by the threat that he ordered his aides out of the room so he could continue the discussion in private, according to a U.S. source who was briefed on the discussion by senior administration officials.


Where is that hyper-nationalist arab who used to say US-KSA alliance is built for eternity...... lol ....
Americans sucked you dry and you didn't even know.

KSA has had a TRADE SURPLUS WITH THE US FOR SEVERAL DECADES IN A ROW. As well as untold investments in the US and large shares in major US companies. Similarly the US is one of the largest investors in KSA. Come out of your little insignificant and highly ignorant "made in PDF" ignorant bubble where you are obsessing about KSA and 500 million Arabs 24/7 along with the other Arabized yet Arab-obsessed trolls on PDF.

If what is documented in that story is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, then it pretty much sums up about the US - Saudi relationships: The US is keeping the Saudi monarchy in power. With a blink of a threat, the Saudis cut oil production. That is all it took.

Another genius. The House of Saud has been in power before the US was even a country! The US have tried several coups in KSA, they all failed. Given the US track record in the region, KSA is a distant daydream for them! Hence why it has never happened and never will happen!

I suggest worrying about your failed and impoverished entity (top 3 in the world in terms of failed countries!) that is divided into 3 parts and a perpetually failed country! You do not represent Somalis. 99.99% of all Somalis have no hatred for Arabs who they owe a lot too on every front be it religion, culture, language, architecture, cuisine, economy etc.

Come on. Saudi can buy weapons everywhere, China, Russia with discount.

KSA has a strategic partnership with China. Who do you think has been funding our ballistic missile program in the past 30 + years or is currently extracting uranium (KSA holds 5-10% of the world's uranium reserves) jointly in KSA?

KSA has close military/economic/political ties with every relevant country and power. It is not limited to the US. Even ties with Russia (S-400, space agency cooperation and other weapons) are strong and growing.

KSA has that same mentality as some of our elite liberals. If something is from oversea, that is has to be good. Plus people must know that we spent top notch money on it. USA is brand name.

Saudi have the same issue. They view US arms as top notch, and all other countries are worthless. The thing is, you can buy all the sparkling gold weapons you want, if you don't know how to use it, you will fail. That is why for over 6+ years, KSA with big arsenal of weapons from USA, still can't win a war in Yemen, who are fighting with weapons from other lessor country.

The US is the most technologically developed nation and military in the world by far. Anyone doubting that is an idiot. Similarly with US universities. There is a reason why Saudi Arabian students abroad are studying at US and Western European universities and not at Somali, Congolese, Mongolian or Papuan learning centers with all due respect.

They are not buying weapons, they are buying protection.

Protection from whom? No regional power has ever, can or will ever invade KSA. Nor will the people remove the government as long as it enjoys majority support. KSA-USA relations are deep and transcend every sphere be it economy, military, education, investment, agriculture, technology and science, geopolitics etc.

Using your logic, Turkey is a NATO puppet whose sovereignity is owed to the same NATO as otherwise it would have become a Russian USSR state after WW2.

Turkish soldiers were sent to Korea 15.000 km away to act like mercenaries in a war between between imperial powers. Let alone other NATO conflicts. Yet the same NATO treats Turkey badly and humiliates it in public and the US is not even willing to sell Patriots and key components (engines etc.) to Turkey despite so many years of NATO membership.

Call me the next time that Saudi Arabian soldiers are used as mercenaries for US wars.

1 phone call. and the Saudis pull a complete 180 on a policy decision that their entire country depends on.

the vast majority of the entire economy and finances is either directly or indirectly tied to it..

1 phone call... just wow. how pathetic can a country get to yield on such a crucial decision with a single phone call and threat from a different countrys president 10 000 km away..

even medieval vassals used to negotiate better with their kings back in the day.

Another idiot.

The non-oil sector of KSA's economy is almost half the size of Iran's entire economy. The non-oil sector of KSA is booming as well with untold potential in the fields of renewables, minerals (KSA is one of the richest countries on the face of earth in terms of minerals), tourism, agriculture, service, finance etc.

Did the Russians bend the knee as well?!
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows this is not true.

PDF and the Arabized and Arab-obsessed trolls in action.

You can find 10 year old threads about "the US invading KSA", the "USA nuking KSA", "KSA going bankrupt", KSA etc. etc.

In the real world KSA is the only Muslim majority country that has hurt the US economically as much as it did and deliberately.

Read up on the oil crisis and oil embargo that crippled the US/Western economy as far back as the 1970's.

Or the war on US shale 5-6 years ago.

Let us not even talk about the 9/11 although it had nothing to do with KSA as a government despite some attempts in the US to link it to KSA.

Rest is all barking.

Lol, what kind of confidence do Iran have in themselves? Do you remember when their general was killed by a US strike how many threats they made in one day only to do useless missile strike with 10 missiles and warning US 6 hours ahead?

Don't give those trolls too much attention. It is all in their own heads on PDF - a forum with decreasing activity and a very bad reputation nowadays due to such trolls being allowed to pollute every remotely serious discussion on PDF.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Another genius. The House of Saud has been in power before the US was even a country! The US have tried several coups in KSA, they all failed. Given the US track record in the region, KSA is a distant daydream for them! Hence why it has never happened and never will happen!

I suggest worrying about your failed and impoverished entity (top 3 in the world in terms of failed countries!) that is divided into 3 parts and a perpetually failed country! You do not represent Somalis. 99.99% of all Somalis have no hatred for Arabs who they own a lot too on every front be it religion, culture, language, architecture, cuisine, economy etc.

I don't hate Arabs. I'm a Muslim remember. I despise the Saudi and Emarati governments. My hate towards the 2 regimes comes from the support they provide to Al-Shabaab terrorist group and the also secessionist and regional governments inside Somalia. Division of Somalia is one that is cooked in Abu Dhabi, which is backed and supported by the Saudi government. All they do with gtheir huge financial clout is to undermine the Muslim states who are suffering in internal issues and western interventions. Clear examples are Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Palestine, and others.

Second, western powers - who are destabilizing Somalia - are using Saudi and Emirati cover. So the division that you cited is one that is coming from Saudi, Emirati establishments - of course sponsored by their western masters.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Due to US oil/gas self-sufficiency, the relationship between Saudi and US has changed fundamentally. US does NOT rely on Gulf oil/gas anymore, it's dangerous for Gulf countries.

The interdependence between US and Gulf is on US's favor. US has more leverage and freedom to choose allies and enemies.

The Gulf counties have been living under great power politics for 100+ years, they are very sensitive to the power dynamic, and wary to the global power transition.

While China will keep consuming huge amount of oil/gas in coming decades, it's in China's interest to keep Gulf stable and prospers. Naturally China will be a more reliable and safer partner, economically and safety wise.

While US and EU won't sit and wait to lose influence, they still have a lot of bargaining chips.

But Covid-19 changed everything, weaken both EU and US a lot, everything accelerated.

KSA is the 12th largest country in the world. The 18th largest economy. KSA has the largest hydrocarbon and mineral wealth in the world after 4 times larger US and 6.5 times larger USA worth TRILLIONS of USD dollars. KSA has one of the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world and one of the largest trade surpluses in the world as well as 100's of billions invested home and abroad in the Arab world, Muslim world, West and East. Holding major stakes in key Western firms. KSA holds an almost monopoly like media influence in the Arab world with the most channels being owned by Saudi Arabian firms.
Is is the cradle of Islam and hosts Makkah and Madinah giving it unprecedented religious clout in the world. KSA is one of the few regions of earth never to be colonized by a Western power or any foreign power for that matter. KSA's military is one of the most powerful in the world (200 countries in the world almost). KSA has one of the most strategic locations in the world and enormous untapped potential in terms of renewables, mineral extraction, tourism, trade, finance, science and technology etc. KSA has one of the highest literacy rates in the world, one of the highest proportions of people with a university degree, one of the youngest and fastest growing populations in the world etc. Future technology could even help turn KSA into an agricultural power given the enormous unused landmass. List is very long.

China is already a strategic partner of KSA and the largest trade partner. However there is no need for KSA (the government) to be hostile against the US. The US has never invaded or hurt KSA directly unlike many other countries. Sure, they are not a perfect ally, but which ally is that?

I don't hate Arabs. I'm a Muslim remember. I despise the Saudi and Emarati governments. My hate towards the 2 regimes comes from the support they provide to Al-Shabaab terrorist group and the also secessionist and regional governments inside Somalia. Division of Somalia is one that is cooked in Abu Dhabi, which is backed and supported by the Saudi government. All they do with gtheir huge financial clout is to undermine the Muslim states who are suffering in internal issues and western interventions. Clear examples are Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Palestine, and others.

Second, western powers - who are destabilizing Somalia - are using Saudi and Emirati cover. So the division that you cited is one that is coming from Saudi, Emirati establishments - of course sponsored by their western masters.

Then limit your so-called hatred to the governments, not the Arab people or the people! As for your claims, KSA does not support any Al-Shabaab entity. Provide a single proof of that. In fact that is mostly the work of Qatar. Al-Shaabab strongholds are all located in the South, supposedly the area controlled by the "government" of Somalia. Nice joke.

Division of Somalia is the work of Somalis themselves and due to the diversity in Somalia. People in Somaliland don't want to be ruled by people in Mogadishu 1500 km away near the border of Kenya. Those are age old divisions. Being Somali has no baring on it, otherwise the Arab world would be united as well.

In the real world, KSA has been one of the biggest donors to Somalia, is hosting the largest Somali diaspora in the MENA region and people to people ties are age old.

Rest of your post is nonsense but what to expect from a supposedly 51 year old Somali that is blindly in love with everything Turkish despite Turkey being an actual NATO puppet and doing the Western bidding for 70 + years using your logic.

 

[Morpheus]

The US is the most technologically developed nation and military in the world by far. Anyone doubting that is an idiot. Similarly with US universities. There is a reason why Saudi Arabian students abroad are studying at US and Western European universities and not at Somali, Congolese, Mongolian or Papuan learning centers with all due respect.

That would mean Arabs don't know how to use the weapons. Which can easily be supported by the fact that the Yemen war is now approaching 5+ years, with no end in sight. That was the original point i was trying to make. Arab only see brand, but don't know how to use it.

Why KSA with billions of weapons from USA still hasn't been able to finish up the war? Why does KSA need mercenaries to fight? Where was the billion dollar advance weaponry which could not stop a missile attack on the countries most critical infrastructure? Who actually at fault for multiple times the Patriot missile failed to intercept incoming missiles (couple of them last year, one even in 1991). Saudi or the main designer of the weapon?

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

KSA is the 12th largest country in the world. The 18th largest economy. KSA has the largest hydrocarbon and mineral wealth in the world after 4 times larger US and 6.5 times larger USA worth TRILLIONS of USD dollars. KSA has one of the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world and one of the largest trade surpluses in the world as well as 100's of billions invested home and abroad in the Arab world, Muslim world, West and East. Holding major stakes in key Western firms. KSA holds an almost monopoly like media influence in the Arab world with the most channels being owned by Saudi Arabian firms.
Is is the cradle of Islam and hosts Makkah and Madinah giving it unprecedented religious clout in the world. KSA is one of the few regions of earth never to be colonized by a Western power or any foreign power for that matter. KSA's military is one of the most powerful in the world (200 countries in the world almost). KSA has one of the most strategic locations in the world and enormous untapped potential in terms of renewables, mineral extraction, tourism, trade, finance, science and technology etc. KSA has one of the highest literacy rates in the world, one of the highest proportions of people with a university degree, one of the youngest and fastest growing populations in the world etc. Future technology could even help turn KSA into an agricultural power given the enormous unused landmass. List is very long.

China is already a strategic partner of KSA and the largest trade partner. However there is no need for KSA (the government) to be hostile against the US. The US has never invaded or hurt KSA directly unlike many other countries. Sure, they are not a perfect ally, but which ally is that?



Then limit your so-called hatred to the governments, not the Arab people or the people! As for your claims, KSA does not support any Al-Shabaab entity. Provide a single proof of that. In fact that is mostly the work of Qatar. Al-Shaabab strongholds are all located in the South, supposedly the area controlled by the "government" of Somalia. Nice joke.

Division of Somalia is the work of Somalis themselves and due to the diversity in Somalia. People in Somaliland don't want to be ruled by people in Mogadishu 1500 km away near the border of Kenya. Those are age old divisions. Being Somali has no baring on it, otherwise the Arab world would be united as well.

In the real world, KSA has been one of the biggest donors to Somalia, is hosting the largest Somali diaspora in the MENA region and people to people ties are age old.

Rest of your post is nonsense but what to expect from a supposedly 51 year old Somali that is blindly in love with everything Turkish despite Turkey being an actual NATO puppet and doing the Western bidding for 70 + years using your logic.

First, find me 1 post where I expressed hate against fellow Arabs. You'll never find it. Actually, the charge makes no sense at all. My prayers and my dua are with every Muslim, including the brethren in the Arabian Peninsula.

Second, Saudi support to the Al-Shabaab is discussed in this discussion in the US Congress:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1139253633353158657

Third, UAE is proven to be the country that is heavily involved in with Al-Shabaab. They provide explosives, funding, arms and intelligence.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256160867680485376

With respect to division of Somalia, the secessionists were empowered by Emaratis, UK. And since everything the Emiratis are doing have the Saudi blessing, the Saudi govt is in i as well. If secessionists in Saudi Arabia have the means to do and have the backing of foreign powers, they would've done so. Both Saudi and Emarati governments are funding and empowering the renegade regional govts in order to derail the Turkish support to Somalia. While Turkey assists the state institutions and civil infrastructure, the duo Arab regimes are doing everything they can to derail it.

Fourth, the biggest donor is Turkey, not the Saudi nor the Muricans. It got to the point, where Yamamoto - the US Anbassador - is demanding the Somali government to scale down its relationship with Turkey. So far President Farmaajo resisted it. The Saudi and Emaratis were demanding the same thing and when that didn't work, their big boss and master Uncle Sam is now demanding the same thing. It is the Deep State who are now demanding the same thing.

That being said, here is Amirul Mu'miniin Tayyib Ergodan and People of Turkey helping us beat the Corona virus.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256580981412241409

Fyi, I'm not 51. I wish I was that age. I'm also from the north for what you referred to Somaliland but don't believe in the crap called separate country. It is a project inspired by foreign powers since Somalia is resource rich.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

That would mean Arabs don't know how to use the weapons. Which can easily be supported by the fact that the Yemen war is now approaching 5+ years, with no end in sight. That was the original point i was trying to make. Arab only see brand, but don't know how to use it.

Why KSA with billions of weapons from USA still hasn't been able to finish up the war? Why does KSA need mercenaries to fight? Where was the billion dollar advance weaponry which could not stop a missile attack on the countries most critical infrastructure? Who actually at fault for multiple times the Patriot missile failed to intercept incoming missiles (couple of them last year, one even in 1991). Saudi or the main designer of the weapon?

Yes, by the same token the most powerful country in the world (by far), the US, failed to accomplish their main goal in Iraq and after 20 + years of war fails to beat impoverished and almost bare-footed Taliban fighters armed with an AK-47!

Yes, Arabs who created some of the largest (by far larger than any empires created by any other Muslim ethnic group) and most influential empires on the planet that stretched from France in the West to Pakistan in the East, cannot fight! You Pakistanis should teach us.

What mercenaries are you blabbering about? Don't confuse KSA (who can actually fight conventional wars in very big and complicated (geographically speaking) countries like Yemen with say Iran that relies on proxies outside of its borders).

After 100's of failed attempts, they managed one successful attack, which damage was corrected 2 weeks after and which had a little impact.

Patriots have had an phenomenal success rate in KSA and with THAAD arriving, locally made systems, Ukrainian GROM (jointly funded by KSA with full tech transfer) and possibly the S-400 deal that was signed with Russia, KSA's air space (not to forget the impressive RSAF arsenaL) will be the best guarded one in the region alongside Israel.

As for the Yemen civil war, no need to flaunt your ignorance. If KSA wanted, it could have carpet bombed all of Northern Yemen leaving no human alive but you are most likely ignorant about KSA-Yemen relations as well and the future prospect of that relationship.

BTW the Houthis and allies are the most heavily armed militia/terrorist group in the world, located in very difficult mountainous terrain of Northwestern Yemen.

First, find me 1 post where I expressed hate against fellow Arabs. You'll never find it. Actually, the charge makes no sense at all. My prayers and my dua are with every Muslim, including the brethren in the Arabian Peninsula.

Second, Saudi support to the Al-Shabaab is discussed in this discussion in the US Congress:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1139253633353158657

Third, UAE is proven to be the country that is heavily involved in with Al-Shabaab. They provide explosives, funding, arms and intelligence.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256160867680485376

With respect to division of Somalia, the secessionists were empowered by Emaratis, UK. And since everything the Emiratis are doing have the Saudi blessing, the Saudi govt is in i as well. If secessionists in Saudi Arabia have the means to do and have the backing of foreign powers, they would've done so. Both Saudi and Emarati governments are funding and empowering the renegade regional govts in order to derail the Turkish support to Somalia. While Turkey assists the state institutions and civil infrastructure, the duo Arab regimes are doing everything they can to derail it.

Fourth, the biggest donor is Turkey, not the Saudi nor the Muricans. It got to the point, where Yamamoto - the US Anbassador - is demanding the Somali government to scale down its relationship with Turkey. So far President Farmaajo resisted it. The Saudi and Emaratis were demanding the same thing and when that didn't work, their big boss and master Uncle Sam is now demanding the same thing. It is the Deep State who are now demanding the same thing.

That being said, here is Amirul Mu'miniin Tayyib Ergodan and People of Turkey helping us beat the Corona virus.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256580981412241409

Fyi, I'm not 51. I wish I was that age. I'm also from the north for what you referred to Somalia but don't believe in the crap called separate country. It is a project inspired by foreign powers since Somalia is resource rich.

Then as a fellow Muslim and human and Arab (we all know the deep ties that the Horn of Africa has with the Arab world in particular Arabia - no need to state the obvious - every educated Somali brother and sister is well aware of this), I ask you to limit your insults/trolling to the governments in power, not the Arab people.

Since when is the "US congress" an authority? They are blaming your favorite leader (Erdogan) of the same and let us not talk about their 1000's of lies. Iraq and WMD's? List is endless.

Find me concrete proof of that alleged support. Find me a single official policy, cleric etc. On the other hand I can find clerics sitting in Qatar and Muslim Brotherhood clerics that have openly been supporting such movements in Somalia and elsewhere.

A minister of yours (close ally to Qatar and a former Al-Shabaab leader) is part of the central government while we speak.

Here is some news in Somali:

Also KSA mainly has ties to Northern Somalia (Somaliland) then Puntaland and the Central government.

ALL of Al-Shabaabs strongholds are located in the South. There is ZERO Al-Shabaab in Somaliland.

Is this some kind of competition? KSA has been giving aid and investing in Somalia for decades. Long before Turkey. KSA hosts a significant Somali diaspora, how many Somalis does Turkey host?

BTW this help/ties is not limited to Somalia it covers Eritrea, Djibouti and Ethiopia, all countries/peoples/area of the world with much deeper ties to Arabia than Turkey.

Your profile says 51 years. Might correct that if it is incorrect.

BTW you posting some Turkish media (Erdogan controlled media) to blame UAE for some imaginary support, I cannot take seriously.

KSA/UAE/Arabia GAINS far more with a stable Horn of Africa (a neighboring region after all) than Turkey far away. Ties are 1000 times closer be it civilizational, geographic, cultural, linguistic, religious (Muslim in horn of Africa are Shafi'i Sunni Muslims thanks to Arab merchants and scholars from Hijaz and Yemen), economic, people to people (largest Horn of Africa diaspora in the world is located in KSA/GCC) and potential for economic growth is much higher and connecting Arabia/Arab world with Horn of Africa/Sub-Saharan Africa/Sahel/Swahili (last two regions have Arabic origin names for a reason as well).

BTW do you speak Arabic and do you live in Somalia and which part of Somalia are you from? Let me guess not Somaliland and not Puntaland either. Probably the South.

In any case this is standard news each year;


Saudi Arabian National Campaign for the Relief of Somali People opened an advanced dialysis center in Mogadishu

Aid:

Digging wells all over Somalia and distributing iftar meals during Ramadan last year to 45.000 families.

Rebuilding a hospital in Bardera in the Gedo region, Southern Somalia.

But as I said, aid is not a competition and we Arabs never brag about our age old aid or generosity. You won't see 1000's of Saudi Arabian flags accompanied with aid. Moreover this is government aid, many private Saudi Arabians and other Arabs have been helping Horn of Africa for decades.

The world's richest Black person is half Yemeni and half Habesha but lives in KSA and has Saudi Arabian nationality due to ancestral ties to KSA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Hussein_Al_Amoudi

 

[Morpheus]

Yes, by the same token the most powerful country in the world (by far), the US, failed to accomplish their main goal in Iraq and after 20 + years of war fails to beat impoverished and almost bare-footed Taliban fighters armed with an AK-47!

Yes, Arabs who created some of the largest (by far larger than any empires created by any other Muslim ethnic group) and most influential empires on the planet that stretched from France in the West to Pakistan in the East, cannot fight! You Pakistanis should teach us.

What mercenaries are you blabbering about? Don't confuse KSA (who can actually fight conventional wars in very big and complicated (geographically speaking) countries like Yemen with say Iran that relies on proxies outside of its borders).

After 100's of failed attempts, they managed one successful attack, which damage was corrected 2 weeks after and which had a little impact.

Patriots have had an phenomenal success rate in KSA and with THAAD arriving, locally made systems, Ukrainian GROM (jointly funded by KSA with full tech transfer) and possibly the S-400 deal that was signed with Russia, KSA's air space (not to forget the impressive RSAF arsenaL) will be the best guarded one in the region alongside Israel.

As for the Yemen civil war, no need to flaunt your ignorance. If KSA wanted, it could have carpet bombed all of Northern Yemen leaving no human alive but you are most likely ignorant about KSA-Yemen relations as well and the future prospect of that relationship.

BTW the Houthis and allies are the most heavily armed militia/terrorist group in the world, located in very difficult mountainous terrain of Northwestern Yemen.

It did. You can see USA running from Afghanistan with their tails between their legs.

Your own map shows Rebels holding key cities, while empty deserts are held by you guys. That is not progress after 5 years, that is failure.

As for fighting, please, you arabs can't do shit. You always need help from outside for your wars.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/saudi...aries-militias-and-the-us-to-win-wars/244751/

Your government may fool you people by hiding all the truth. But the world know who is actually winning. You guys wanted Pakistan help in Yemen, and when we said no, you monkeys started causing issues for us. Look at how you people came into line after USA said they will stop providing military assistance. Even in Yemen are are using Afican mercenaries to fight your battle.

Did you forget mighty warrior, that it was not Saudis that had no brain cells to come up with plan to take control of Mecca during siege, but foreign powers. We could teach you Arabs, but it more fun watching monkeys play around.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Yes, by the same token the most powerful country in the world (by far), the US, failed to accomplish their main goal in Iraq and after 20 + years of war fails to beat impoverished and almost bare-footed Taliban fighters armed with an AK-47!

Yes, Arabs who created some of the largest (by far larger than any empires created by any other Muslim ethnic group) and most influential empires on the planet that stretched from France in the West to Pakistan in the East, cannot fight! You Pakistanis should teach us.

What mercenaries are you blabbering about? Don't confuse KSA (who can actually fight conventional wars in very big and complicated (geographically speaking) countries like Yemen with say Iran that relies on proxies outside of its borders).

After 100's of failed attempts, they managed one successful attack, which damage was corrected 2 weeks after and which had a little impact.

Patriots have had an phenomenal success rate in KSA and with THAAD arriving, locally made systems, Ukrainian GROM (jointly funded by KSA with full tech transfer) and possibly the S-400 deal that was signed with Russia, KSA's air space (not to forget the impressive RSAF arsenaL) will be the best guarded one in the region alongside Israel.

As for the Yemen civil war, no need to flaunt your ignorance. If KSA wanted, it could have carpet bombed all of Northern Yemen leaving no human alive but you are most likely ignorant about KSA-Yemen relations as well and the future prospect of that relationship.

BTW the Houthis and allies are the most heavily armed militia/terrorist group in the world, located in very difficult mountainous terrain of Northwestern Yemen.



Then as a fellow Muslim and human and Arab (we all know the deep ties that the Horn of Africa has with the Arab world in particular Arabia - no need to state the obvious - every educated Somali brother and sister is well aware of this), I ask you to limit your insults/trolling to the governments in power, not the Arab people.

Since when is the "US congress" an authority? They are blaming your favorite leader (Erdogan) of the same and let us not talk about their 1000's of lies. Iraq and WMD's? List is endless.

Find me concrete proof of that alleged support. Find me a single official policy, cleric etc. On the other hand I can find clerics sitting in Qatar and Muslim Brotherhood clerics that have openly been supporting such movements in Somalia and elsewhere.

A minister of yours (close ally to Qatar and a former Al-Shabaab leader) is part of the central government while we speak.

Here is some news in Somali:

Also KSA mainly has ties to Northern Somalia (Somaliland) then Puntaland and the Central government.

ALL of Al-Shabaabs strongholds are located in the South. There is ZERO Al-Shabaab in Somaliland.

Is this some kind of competition? KSA has been giving aid and investing in Somalia for decades. Long before Turkey. KSA hosts a significant Somali diaspora, how many Somalis does Turkey host?

BTW this help/ties is not limited to Somalia it covers Eritrea, Djibouti and Ethiopia, all countries/peoples/area of the world with much deeper ties to Arabia than Turkey.

Your profile says 51 years. Might correct that if it is incorrect.

BTW you posting some Turkish media (Erdogan controlled media) to blame UAE for some imaginary support, I cannot take seriously.

KSA/UAE/Arabia GAINS far more with a stable Horn of Africa (a neighboring region after all) than Turkey far away. Ties are 1000 times closer be it civilizational, geographic, cultural, linguistic, religious (Muslim in horn of Africa are Shafi'i Sunni Muslims thanks to Arab merchants and scholars from Hijaz and Yemen), economic, people to people (largest Horn of Africa diaspora in the world is located in KSA/GCC) and potential for economic growth is much higher and connecting Arabia/Arab world with Horn of Africa/Sub-Saharan Africa/Sahel/Swahili (last two regions have Arabic origin names for a reason as well).

BTW do you speak Arabic and do you live in Somalia and which part of Somalia are you from? Let me guess not Somaliland and not Puntaland either. Probably the South.

In any case this is standard news each year;


Saudi Arabian National Campaign for the Relief of Somali People opened an advanced dialysis center in Mogadishu

Aid:

Digging wells all over Somalia and distributing iftar meals during Ramadan last year to 45.000 families.

Rebuilding a hospital in Bardera in the Gedo region, Southern Somalia.

But as I said, aid is not a competition and we Arabs never brag about our age old aid or generosity. You won't see 1000's of Saudi Arabian flags accompanied with aid. Moreover this is government aid, many private Saudi Arabians and other Arabs have been helping Horn of Africa for decades.

The world's richest Black person is half Yemeni and half Habesha but lives in KSA and has Saudi Arabian nationality due to ancestral ties to KSA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Hussein_Al_Amoudi

The videos accusing Fahad Yassin to be Al-Shabaab terrorist were all created by Emirati-funded trolls. There is no truth to it. Actually, in his short stay heading the nascent intelligency agency, he defeated the terrorists and actually enabled the government to seize the capital fully. Besides, the Al-Shabaab presence in the South is due to the fact that the central government is in the South. The terrorist menace was created by foreign powers who want to derail the formation of central authority in Somalia.

Also KSA mainly has ties to Northern Somalia (Somaliland) then Puntaland and the Central government.

You just proven my point. The Saudi government should stop supporting break-away regions. If this doesn't stop, don't be surprised if you see support going to Houthis. We may even facilitate IRGC and give them military bases. Right now due to the Western governments' clout in our affairs, we're laying low, as we're building our security forces. We're actually building our navy. And if the Saudi and Emarati governments don't stop interfering in our internal affairs, don't be surprised when you see us facilitating your adversaries.

With respect to Emarati's support to Al-Shabaab, it is well-proven. NISA (National Intelligence & Security Service) has already proven the case and made it obvious.

That is all.

 

[Mr Happy]

It did. You can see USA running from Afghanistan with their tails between their legs.

Your own map shows Rebels holding key cities, while empty deserts are held by you guys. That is not progress after 5 years, that is failure.

As for fighting, please, you arabs can't do shit. You always need help from outside for your wars.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/saudi...aries-militias-and-the-us-to-win-wars/244751/

Your government may fool you people by hiding all the truth. But the world know who is actually winning. You guys wanted Pakistan help in Yemen, and when we said no, you monkeys started causing issues for us. Look at how you people came into line after USA said they will stop providing military assistance. Even in Yemen are are using Afican mercenaries to fight your battle.

Did you forget mighty warrior, that it was not Saudis that had no brain cells to come up with plan to take control of Mecca during siege, but foreign powers. We could teach you Arabs, but it more fun watching monkeys play around.

If all of the Pashtuns or Pakhtuns got together then they would be a match for anyone. The population is about 60 million.
They know how to fight.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

It did. You can see USA running from Afghanistan with their tails between their legs.

Your own map shows Rebels holding key cities, while empty deserts are held by you guys. That is not progress after 5 years, that is failure.

As for fighting, please, you arabs can't do shit. You always need help from outside for your wars.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/saudi...aries-militias-and-the-us-to-win-wars/244751/

Your government may fool you people by hiding all the truth. But the world know who is actually winning. You guys wanted Pakistan help in Yemen, and when we said no, you monkeys started causing issues for us. Look at how you people came into line after USA said they will stop providing military assistance. Even in Yemen are are using Afican mercenaries to fight your battle.

Did you forget mighty warrior, that it was not Saudis that had no brain cells to come up with plan to take control of Mecca during siege, but foreign powers. We could teach you Arabs, but it more fun watching monkeys play around.

Showing more of your ignorance. The Yemeni government controls 60% of the Yemeni population and almost 85% of the landmass. Half of the territory that it controls is mountainous and fertile lands including the main port and economic hub of Yemen (Aden) as well as oil and the gas. The only thing that the Houthis control are densely populated mountain villages of no strategic worth and the symbolic capital (Sana'a).

Moreover KSA is not going to fight a war for Yemenis, the role for years has been limited to aerial support, training the Yemeni government and soldiers and strengthening the legitimate Yemeni institutions. Nobody is going to risk the lives of 1000's of soldiers to help a country that cannot helps itself.

There is a reason why Pakistan has never invested foot soldiers in Afghanistan either but sticked to a proxy war.

I don't care about the blabbering of Arab-obsessed and Arabized troll who are posting nonsense articles from mint press (lol) and who live in their own alternative world.

Prior to the Saudi Arabian/Arab intervention the Houthis controlled all of Yemen with few exceptions. Today they are confined to mountain villages of no strategic value and starving their people, using child soldiers in the 1000's and desperately launching ballistic missiles to no avail. As I wrote, if KSA wanted, we would carpet bomb all of Northern Yemen and kill every soul there.

Monkey is a good historical description of your likes and more empty fairytale stories, the successful Makkah Siege in 1979 (ages ago) was the work of Saudi Arabians with limited French support.

And let us not talk about your giant security failures, until not long ago you were the most terrorist hit country in the world and let us not talk about your Mosque seizures etc. Or Kashmir. Or East Pakistan. Or the US droning your people etc.

Anyway I don't intend to waste my time on clueless, Arabized, Arab-obsessed and dumb trolls. So you are on my ignore list from now on, beggar donkey.