Speaking the language of power

[idune]

Actually brother we want to dominate no one. Mutual prosperity is all we care. Sukyi had agreed to take back Rohinyas refugees, there is lot of Chinese work behind that as well. No Muslim country will end up well working with USA, even Saudi Arbia.

That is horse crap to say the least. As we speak, report came out just today village after village are burned down with new fire and these are visible Bangladesh border. Below picture is one of those. Thousands of NEW Rohigya refugees are crossing river to save themselves from Myanmar genocide. This happened just within 24 hours after Myanmar minister visit and promise to take Rohinngya back. Why Myanmar burning village and sending new Rohingya refugees when it said it will take them back???? Evan a naive would know that is an utter lie.

So do us a favor don't speak on behalf of Myanmar. China can do what it sees as its interest and Bangladesh will have to learn to live with reality and pursue its own interest.

বাংলাদেশ সীমান্তে গ্রামের পর গ্রাম আগুন, পালাচ্ছে রোহিঙ্গারা

05 Oct, 2017

সীমান্ত দিয়ে রোহিঙ্গাদের অনুপ্রবেশ থামছে না। এক সপ্তাহ ধরে রোহিঙ্গা প্রবেশ বন্ধ থাকলেও হঠাৎ করে টেকনাফের হোয়াইক্যং উলুবনিয়া, লম্বাবিল ও শাহপরীর দ্বীপের নাফ নদী ও সাগর পয়েন্ট দিয়ে ফের আসছেন হাজার হাজার রোহিঙ্গা। এ দিকে গত রোববার ঢাকায় মিয়ানমারের সিনিয়র মন্ত্রী বাংলাদেশের পররাষ্ট্রমন্ত্রীর সাথে দ্বিপক্ষীয় আলোচনার ২৪ ঘণ্টার মধ্যেই মিয়ানমারের নতুন মংডু, রাচিডং ও বুচিডংয়ের গ্রামের শত শত বাড়ি পোড়ানো হচ্ছে। এপার থেকে আগুনের লেলিহান শিখা ও ধোঁয়া উড়তে দেখা যাচ্ছে প্রতিদিন।

http://www.newsforbd.net/newsdetail/detail/200/338985

 

[帅的一匹]

That is horse crap to say the least. As we speak, report came out just today village after village are burned down with new fire and these are visible Bangladesh border. Below picture is one of those. Thousands of NEW Rohigya refugees are crossing river to save themselves from Myanmar genocide. This happened just within 24 hours after Myanmar minister visit and promise to take Rohinngya back. Why Myanmar burning village and sending new Rohingya refugees when it said it will take them back???? Evan a naive would know that is an utter lie.

So do us a favor don't speak on behalf of Myanmar. China can do what it sees as its interest and Bangladesh will have to learn to live with reality and pursue its own interest.

বাংলাদেশ সীমান্তে গ্রামের পর গ্রাম আগুন, পালাচ্ছে রোহিঙ্গারা

05 Oct, 2017

সীমান্ত দিয়ে রোহিঙ্গাদের অনুপ্রবেশ থামছে না। এক সপ্তাহ ধরে রোহিঙ্গা প্রবেশ বন্ধ থাকলেও হঠাৎ করে টেকনাফের হোয়াইক্যং উলুবনিয়া, লম্বাবিল ও শাহপরীর দ্বীপের নাফ নদী ও সাগর পয়েন্ট দিয়ে ফের আসছেন হাজার হাজার রোহিঙ্গা। এ দিকে গত রোববার ঢাকায় মিয়ানমারের সিনিয়র মন্ত্রী বাংলাদেশের পররাষ্ট্রমন্ত্রীর সাথে দ্বিপক্ষীয় আলোচনার ২৪ ঘণ্টার মধ্যেই মিয়ানমারের নতুন মংডু, রাচিডং ও বুচিডংয়ের গ্রামের শত শত বাড়ি পোড়ানো হচ্ছে। এপার থেকে আগুনের লেলিহান শিখা ও ধোঁয়া উড়তে দেখা যাচ্ছে প্রতিদিন।

http://www.newsforbd.net/newsdetail/detail/200/338985

You can join ARSA to fight the brutal Burmese army instead of blaming China here.

Lip service is worthless.

You can join ARSA to fight the brutal Burmese army instead of blaming China here.

Lip service is worthless.

 

[idune]

You can join ARSA to fight the brutal Burmese army instead of blaming China here.

Lip service is worthless.

There are lot of other ways to get hold Myanmar junta. Not sure why Chinese are so fond of ARSA, was it Chinese creation? Or China lack imagination beyond ARSA? If "lip service" ,as you call it, is worthless why you and rest of Chinese are bothered to respond??? Go do your work, lecturing here is out of your league.

 

[帅的一匹]

There are lot of other ways to get hold Myanmar junta. Not sure why Chinese are so fond of ARSA, was it Chinese creation? Or China lack imagination beyond ARSA? If "lip service" ,as you call it, is worthless why you and rest of Chinese are bothered to respond??? Go do your work lecturing here is out of your league.

once you called ARSA an liberation force for Rohingyas to get rid of oppression from Myanmar goverment, did you?

And China didn't say a word to blame BD when you broke up with Pakistan in year 1971?! China never touched BD's core interests. Even if BD wants to have a war with Myanmar for Arakan we also don't have problem with it, I mean if it suits your interets. China didn't dictate Myanmar how to deal with Rohingyas. Myanmar doesn't like rohingyas, and China can't do shit about it.

The non-interference policy still works.
And there is also a reason why Russi veto it too. Never use human right as an excuse to get hands in others' domestic affairs.

Spend more money on military development, and let Myanmar fears you. This is the only way out.

We don't give it a shit whoever Arakan belongs to. If you have enough fire power, just take it.

China doesn't tell one what to do and what not to do. We only give suggestions. But please bear in minds that one has to bear the consequence by himself.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

tough luck, literacy rate of BD is 61%.

Literacy rate in Bangladesh is 73 % and in India 69%.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/south-asias-human-capital-crisis_us_59d2c870e4b043b4fb095bd4

tough luck, literacy rate of BD is 61%.

Literacy rate in Bangladesh is 73 % and in India 69%.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/south-asias-human-capital-crisis_us_59d2c870e4b043b4fb095bd4

 

[帅的一匹]

@Aung Zaya how Myanmar will deal with Rohingyas people in the next? What is the mainstay opinions regarding this issue in Myanmar society?

To put it simply, take them or expel them?

 

[Aung Zaya]

And as far as Burmese monkeys are concerned BD needs to go 100% aggressive within diplomatic norms for now.

lol i dont think BD gov will think that way.
Bangladesh to buy 1 lakh tonnes of rice from Myanmar
http://www.banglanews24.com/index.p...esh-to-buy-1-lakh-tonnes-of-rice-from-Myanmar

We need to use US against Chinese interest in Burma and China against Indian hedgemony in the region.

lol how..?? there is no seat for BD to play power game within 3 big powers. all u can do is sucking lolly pop and starring at them.

Well, too much noise in here, please stop importing Chinese weapons, Chinese money first ok? Chinese consumer market the biggest on this plant will close the door.

After that, India first or Japan first or USA first policy, we don't care, but do not ever touch Chinese interests , other wise, more veto will come to you, we'll hear more noise in PDF which nobody likes!

actually they cant do nothing and they know it. that's why they make noise here to blow up their feeling.

@Aung Zaya how Myanmar will deal with Rohingyas people in the next? What is the mainstay opinions regarding this issue in Myanmar society?

To put it simply, take them or expel them?

well. we already start the works to accept them and all the negotiation process was done. we will take back only people who fled after 25 SEP attack.
as we said since long time before , we will give them who meet our immigration law citizenship. rest will keep in IDP with the help of UN untill sending to 3rd country who willing to accept them. to become a new ethnic was already rejected.

You can join ARSA to fight the brutal Burmese army instead of blaming China here.

Lip service is worthless.

this kind of moron dont have the ball to do it.

 

[jetray]

Literacy rate in Bangladesh is 73 %

"Great article.Every one in Bangladesh need to read it."
so what? 73% is not 100%, still every one cannot read it.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Yes China may have an "non interventionist" policy now as it serves it's interests while it grows into an economic and military giant over the next 1-2 decades, but make no mistake they will flex their muscles within the next 1-2 decades. China already announced to increase it's marines from 20,000 to 100,000 and building all the components for an expeditionary Navy like cruisers, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, LHDs etc. BD must not under any circumstances be seen by China as a country that invites outsiders like the US into the Asian continent.

Many people around the world are in very much doubt,whether China ever will be able to overtake US in military power.I am also in that opinion.Even if China overtake US in nominal GDP, gap will not be that high and US will always spend more than China on military.Like if China spend 2% of GDP on military than US will spend 5% due to the fact that American military commitment is worldwide and a lot of Asian and European allies depend on American security guarantee.Not to mention the huge technological advantage US is already enjoying and it's favorable geographic location with wide access to both Pacific and Atlantic.

China's greatest obstacle on replicating the US is it's narrow access to sea.China's maritime boundary is very narrow and bounded by powerful American allies who have not so good relation with China.Unlike US, China doesn't enjoy any worldwide bands of allies like that of NATO and Asian countries like Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan, Thailand,Singapore,Vietnam etc.South China sea dispute will only augment the already existing powerful anti-China block in it's neighborhood headed by US.

Another thing which will favor US in near future is demography.Currently China enjoy 4 times more manpower than US.But due Chinese extremely low fertility rate compared to US(Which also take a lot immigrant) this advantage will shrink to just 2:1 in 2100 AD(China 900 million vs US 450 million people) according to UN population estimate.

And it is very much certain that US will enjoy at least 2 to 3 times more per capita income than China due to higher per capita resource availability and technological upper hand.So it is very much possible that,US will regain it's number one position of economic power after 2050, if it ever lost that in to China in around 2030.

So, higher defence spending,technological upper hand,world wide economic and military alliance and preeminent economic position will maintain US domination of the world in foreseeable future.

 

[Nabil365]

Well, too much noise in here, please stop importing Chinese weapons, Chinese money first ok? Chinese consumer market the biggest on this plant will close the door.

After that, India first or Japan first or USA first policy, we don't care, but do not ever touch Chinese interests , other wise, more veto will come to you, we'll hear more noise in PDF which nobody likes!

Yeah just keep it to your veto power.
Thats the ultimate difference between EU nations,USA and Russia.All are engaged militarily around the world and you can keep sucking your finger and shout "Veto!".

 

[UKBengali]

Many people around the world are in very much doubt,whether China ever will be able to overtake US in military power.I am also in that opinion.Even if China overtake US in nominal GDP, gap will not be that high and US will always spend more than China on military.Like if China spend 2% of GDP on military than US will spend 5% due to the fact that American military commitment is worldwide and a lot of Asian and European allies depend on American security guarantee.Not to mention the huge technological advantage US is already enjoying and it's favorable geographic location with wide access to both Pacific and Atlantic.

China's greatest obstacle on replicating the US is it's narrow access to sea.China's maritime boundary is very narrow and bounded by powerful American allies who have not so good relation with China.Unlike US, China doesn't enjoy any worldwide bands of allies like that of NATO and Asian countries like Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan, Thailand,Singapore,Vietnam etc.South China sea dispute will only augment the already existing powerful anti-China block in it's neighborhood headed by US.

Another thing which will favor US in near future is demography.Currently China enjoy 4 times more manpower than US.But due Chinese extremely low fertility rate compared to US(Which also take a lot immigrant) this advantage will shrink to just 2:1 in 2100 AD(China 900 million vs US 450 million people) according to UN population estimate.

And it is very much certain that US will enjoy at least 2 to 3 times more per capita income than China due to higher per capita resource availability and technological upper hand.So it is very much possible that,US will regain it's number one position of economic power after 2050, if it ever lost that in to China in around 2030.

So, higher defence spending,technological upper hand,world wide economic and military alliance and preeminent economic position will maintain US domination of the world in foreseeable future.

China is in Asia and US is far, far away. Apart from Japan, US does not have a rich and technologically very powerful ally. The rest on your list are mainly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and Thailand already buys weapons from China and so can be considered neutral.

US cannot afford to spend 5% for eternity of GDP while China maintains 2%. It will destroy the rest of it's economy. 3-4% is doable though. China may not want to be able to invade countries on the other side of the world like US but they will spend enough to have military superiority in Asia.

As China develops into a 1st world country next decade, and it has a consumer market as large as West combined, we shall see shifting of economic and political allegiances. While Japan will have no choice but to stick with US, others like Korea will have to be at the least neutral as otherwise China will just close of it's massive market and send them into depression. No less than 25% of Korean exports go to china, twice as much as to the US. When China has the economic and military power(in Asia at least) of the US then expect countries to become allies as power attracts friends. Have you not noticed how the Gulf Arabs are quiet on the Rohingya issue? It is because they are using pipelines through Arakan to move oil into China.

I am not sure where you got your estimate of US enjoying 2-3 times higher per capita over China. Current GDP/Capita at PPP shows China at 16,000 US dollars with US at 53,000 US dollars. Already China has around 1/3rd of US GDP Capita/PPP and China is growing it's GDP/Capita at 6% a year with US at 1%.

US may stay ahead of China in GDP/capita(50% more is my guess) but China will soon dominate the Asian continent and BD needs to framework it's policies accordingly.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Great article.Every one in Bangladesh need to read it.

Everyone with a little Bengali blood should read this. Well written OP. kudos.

 

[dy1022]

China is in Asia and US is far, far away. Apart from Japan, US does not have a rich and technologically very powerful ally. The rest on your list are mainly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and Thailand already buys weapons from China and so can be considered neutral.

US cannot afford to spend 5% for eternity of GDP while China maintains 2%. It will destroy the rest of it's economy. 3-4% is doable though. China may not want to be able to invade countries on the other side of the world like US but they will spend enough to have military superiority in Asia.

As China develops into a 1st world country next decade, and it has a consumer market as large as West combined, we shall see shifting of economic and political allegiances. While Japan will have no choice but to stick with China, others like Korea will have to be at the least neutral as otherwise China will just close of it's massive market and send them into depression. No less than 25% of Korean exports go to china, twice as much as to the US. When China has the economic and military power(in Asia at least) of the US then expect countries to become allies as power attracts friends. Have you not noticed how the Gulf Arabs are quiet on the Rohingya issue? It is because they are using pipelines through Arakan to move oil into China.

I am not sure where you got your estimate of US enjoying 2-3 times higher per capita over China. Current GDP/Capita at PPP shows China at 16,000 US dollars with US at 53,000 US dollars. Already China has around 1/3rd of US GDP Capita/PPP and China is growing it's GDP/Capita at 6% a year with US at 1%.

US may stay ahead of China in GDP/capita(50% more is my guess) but China will soon dominate the Asian continent and BD needs to framework it's policies accordingly.

How dare you to speak some truth in here? Don't you ever know that China blaming is the new fashion in here?

 

[Homo Sapiens]

China is in Asia and US is far, far away. Apart from Japan, US does not have a rich and technologically very powerful ally. The rest on your list are mainly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and Thailand already buys weapons from China and so can be considered neutral.

US cannot afford to spend 5% for eternity of GDP while China maintains 2%. It will destroy the rest of it's economy. 3-4% is doable though. China may not want to be able to invade countries on the other side of the world like US but they will spend enough to have military superiority in Asia.

As China develops into a 1st world country next decade, and it has a consumer market as large as West combined, we shall see shifting of economic and political allegiances. While Japan will have no choice but to stick with China, others like Korea will have to be at the least neutral as otherwise China will just close of it's massive market and send them into depression. No less than 25% of Korean exports go to china, twice as much as to the US. When China has the economic and military power(in Asia at least) of the US then expect countries to become allies as power attracts friends. Have you not noticed how the Gulf Arabs are quiet on the Rohingya issue? It is because they are using pipelines through Arakan to move oil into China.

I am not sure where you got your estimate of US enjoying 2-3 times higher per capita over China. Current GDP/Capita at PPP shows China at 16,000 US dollars with US at 53,000 US dollars. Already China has around 1/3rd of US GDP Capita/PPP and China is growing it's GDP/Capita at 6% a year with US at 1%.

US may stay ahead of China in GDP/capita(50% more is my guess) but China will soon dominate the Asian continent and BD needs to framework it's policies accordingly.

Even in Asia, China will not be able to establish undisputed preeminence.US is in the process to transfer 60 percent of their naval capacity in Asia Pacific region.In the Pacific,China will face powerful American,Japanese,Taiwanese and Other ASEAN navy.There is a much possibility of another NATO like coalition in Asia-Pacific region.Neither party will let go South China sea.So China is at lock of hostility with it's neighbor.In the Indian ocean, Dominant US and Indian navy will deny China any meaningful penetration.

Bangladesh need to maintain large trade and investment relation with China just like Vietnam or other ASEAN countries.But not any strategic and foreign policy co-operation with China.China has natural tendency to support rogue states and myanmar will always remain a Chinese stooge due to severe compulsion.We need to maintain equal distance from both India and China and deepen our strategic tie with Western and Muslim world.

 

[dy1022]

Even in Asia, China will not be able to establish undisputed preeminence.US is in process to transfer 60 percent of their naval capacity in Asia Pacific region.In the Pacific,China will face powerful American,Japanese,Taiwanese and Other ASEAN navy.There is a much possibility of another NATO like coalition in Asia-Pacific region.Neither party will let go South China sea.So China is at lock of hostility with it's neighbor.In the Indian ocean, Dominant US and Indian navy will deny China any meaningful penetration.

Bangladesh need to maintain large trade and investment relation with China just like Vietnam or other ASEAN countries.But not any strategic and foreign policy co-operation with China.China has natural tendency to support rogue states and myanmar will always remain a Chinese stooge due to severe compulsion.We need to maintain equal distance from both India and China and deepen our strategic tie with Western and Muslim world.

You mean which western , earth or moon? Or you mean the millions muslim life' savior in middle east,Afghanistan, Iraq , Syria , Libya - the western ???

Or you mean these people in Middle East - Palestine are not real Muslims? Only Rohingys life matters?