South Tibet (Arunachal Pradesh) is NOT an integral part of India

[gpit]

While most Indians claim, intentionally or unintentionally, all over the place that Arunachal Pradesh (South Tibet) is an integral part of India, (see in http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...china-not-reality-says-pm-manmohan-singh.html ) I actually find, with factual truth, that Arunachal Pradesh (South Tibet) is NOT an integral part of India.

Friends, the following is why Arunachal Pradesh (South Tibet) is NOT an integral part of India. And there is no legal ground for Indians to claim so.

While it is true that there are some traces of Indian cultural relics found in AP, it had been more that Tibetans who ruled ZN before the British took it over.

For simplicity, just get a rough picture from wiki:

In 1913-1914 representatives of China, Tibet and Britain negotiated a treaty in India: the Simla Accord.[4] This treaty's objective was to define the borders between Inner and Outer Tibet as well as between Outer Tibet and British India. British administrator, Sir Henry McMahon, drew up the 550 miles (890 km) McMahon Line as the border between British India and Outer Tibet during the Simla Conference. The Tibetan and British representatives at the conference agreed to the line, which ceded Tawang and other Tibetan areas to the British Empire. The Chinese representative had no problems with the border between British India and Outer Tibet, however on the issue of the border between Outer Tibet and Inner Tibet the talks broke down. Thus, the Chinese representative refused to accept the agreement and walked out.[citation needed] The Tibetan Government and British Government went ahead with the Simla Agreement and declared that the benefits of other articles of this treaty would not be bestowed on China as long as it stays out of the purview.[5] The Chinese position was that Tibet was not independent from China, so Tibet could not have independently signed treaties, and per the Anglo-Chinese (1906) and Anglo-Russian (1907) conventions, any such agreement was invalid without Chinese assent.[6]

Simla was initially rejected by the Government of India as incompatible with the 1907 Anglo-Russian Convention. However, this agreement(Anglo-Russian Convention) was renounced by Russia and Britain jointly in 1921, thus making the Simla Conference official.[citation needed] However, with the collapse of Chinese power in Tibet the line had no serious challenges as Tibet had signed the convention, therefore it was forgotten to the extent that no new maps were published until 1935, when interest was revived by civil service officer Olaf Caroe. The Survey of India published a map showing the McMahon Line as the official boundary in 1937.[citation needed] In 1938, the British finally published the Simla Convention as a bilateral accord two decades after the Simla Conference; in 1938 the Survey of India published a detailed map showing Tawang as part of NEFA. In 1944 Britain established administrations in the area, from Dirang Dzong in the west to Walong in the east. Tibet, however, altered its position on the McMahon Line in late 1947 when the Tibetan government wrote a note presented to the newly independent Indian Ministry of External Affairs laying claims to the Tibetan district (Tawang) south of the McMahon Line.[7] The situation developed further as India became independent and the People's Republic of China was established in 1949. With the PRC poised to take over Tibet, India unilaterally declared the McMahon Line to be the boundary in November 1950, and forced the last remnants of Tibetan administration out of the Tawang area in 1951.[8][9] The PRC has never recognized the McMahon Line, and claims Tawang on behalf of Tibetans.[10] The 14th Dalai Lama, who led the Tibetan government from 1950 to 1959, said as recently as 2003 that Tawang is "actually part of Tibet".[11] He reversed his position in 2008, saying that it was part of India.[11]

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Arunachal Pradesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Simla Accord has been trashed by the very UK itself:

2008 British policy change

Until 2008 the British Government's position remained the same that China held suzerainty over Tibet but not full sovereignty. It was the only state still to hold this view.[26] David Miliband, the British Foreign Secretary, described the old position as an anachronism originating in the geopolitics of the early 20th century.[27] Britain revised this view on 29 October 2008, when it recognised Chinese sovereignty over Tibet by issuing a statement on its website.[nb 5]The Economist stated that although the British Foreign Office's website does not use the word sovereignty, officials at the Foreign Office said "it means that, as far as Britain is concerned, 'Tibet is part of China. Full stop.'"[26]

The British Government sees their new stances as an updating of their position, while some others have viewed it as a major shift in the British position.[nb 6] Tibetologist Robert Barnett thinks that the decision has wider implications. India’s claim to a part of its northeast territories, for example, is largely based on the same agreements — notes exchanged during the Simla convention of 1914, which set the boundary between India and Tibet — that the British appear to have just discarded.[22] It has been speculated that Britain's shift was made in exchange for China making greater contributions to the International Monetary Fund.[22][28][29]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Accord_(1913)

Thus, India has only recently (after 1962) occupied the territory illegally, and there is no legal ground for Indians to claim that ZN(AP) is an integral part of India.

Dissidents from India or Tibetans in exile who want to be indian, voice your different/opposing opinions.

No jingoism, no slogans, as they count nothing in a legal argument among matured grown-ups.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

While it is true that there are some traces of Indian cultural relics found in AP, it had been more that Tibetans who ruled ZN before the British took it over.

And it has been the Tibetans ruling themselves before the Mongols and Manchus, eh?

It is a part of India, and thats how its going to stay... Modern borders are going to stay the same..

Go claim Mongolia too, buddy..

 

[punit]

fine .. then come and get it. what are u waiting for paper dragons

 

[gpit]

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It is a part of India, and thats how its going to stay... Modern borders are going to stay the same..

Why? Is it because you are now a second hand imperialism?

India's claim of ZN is based on British McMahon Line, and now the line is gone as the British has trashed that. In addition, the Chinese never signed anything to agree with the line.

Go claim Mongolia too, buddy..

Is trolling your only feeble capability in a serious argument?

Loser number 1 taken.

 

[gpit]

fine .. then come and get it. what are u waiting for paper dragons

No argument to offer that ZN is an integral part of India?

Loser number 2.

Anybody?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Is trolling your only feeble capability in a serious argument?

What? Manchus took Mongolia too just like Tibet, go claim it.

Why? Is it because you are now a second hand imperialism?

We had revolutions against the Imperialist, just like you had revolutions against the Imperialist Manchu rulers and even fought the Imperialist Japanese. You people suffered from Imperialism to buddy. Why kick dirt in our face for?

 

[aakash_2410]

Why? Is it because you are now a second hand imperialism?

It's between India and China if anything America is meant to take India's side. Why do americans care about this though?! Or are you "Asian American"??

And imperialism? lool How can a 60 years old country be imperial power which has been a victim of brutal imperialism itself?

And even your unit system is 'Imperial system' when whole world uses 'metric system'.

You guys have got to change EVERYTHING brits do starting from unit system to driving.

 

[CardSharp]

fine .. then come and get it. what are u waiting for paper dragons

I don't think China wants a war but from an Indian magazine citing 'the Delhi-based Integrated Defence Staff (IDS)'....


China’s War Plan

Classified military documents on China’s strategy for a limited war against India confirm our worst fears: China can take Arunachal in 48 hours. And we are in no hurry to do anything about it.

 

[ares]

Why? Is it because you are now a second hand imperialism?

India's claim of ZN is based on British McMahon Line, and now the line is gone as the British has trashed that. In addition, the Chinese never signed anything to agree with the line.



Is trolling your only feeble capability in a serious argument?

Loser number 1 taken.

British who were incharge in India, reached a mutual decision on India's behalf with Tibetan leaders who were in charge of Tibetan affairs at that time.

But now the Indian are in incharge in India ..so if you have any problems then go complain to your Tibetan leader or the British themselves, maybe ask them piece of British Territory as compensation.

 

[gpit]

What? Manchus took Mongolia too just like Tibet, go claim it.



We had revolutions against the Imperialist, just like you had revolutions against the Imperialist Manchu rulers and even fought the Imperialist Japanese. You people suffered from Imperialism to buddy. Why kick dirt in our face for?

If you are against your former imperialism master, why do you stick to the McMahon line set by your former imperialism master?

BTW, Manchu is Chinese now. Is British Indian?

BTW again, Mongolia is an independent country if you are literate on this. It would be good perhaps to let ZN be an independent country.

 

[aakash_2410]

I don't think China wants a war but from an Indian magazine citing 'the Delhi-based Integrated Defence Staff (IDS)'....


China’s War Plan

India doesn't want a war either! It's just a stupid indian media!! Just because it's free media they write any cr*p to sell!

But i've gotta admit you guys do sound bit cocky with your new found economic and military strength!

And china should also bear in mind that it wouldn't be on war with south korea or japan.

P.S. INIDA DOESN'T NEED/WANT A WAR!!!

 

[CardSharp]

India doesn't want a war either! It's just a stupid indian media!! Just because it's free media they write any cr*p to sell!

But i've gotta admit you guys do sound bit cocky with your new found economic and military strength!

And china should also bear in mind that it wouldn't be on war with south korea or japan.

P.S. INIDA DOESN'T NEED/WANT A WAR!!!

What does it mean to be cocky in international relations?

 

[gpit]

It's between India and China if anything America is meant to take India's side. Why do americans care about this though?! Or are you "Asian American"??

And imperialism? lool How can a 60 years old country be imperial power which has been a victim of brutal imperialism itself?

And even your unit system is 'Imperial system' when whole world uses 'metric system'.

You guys have got to change EVERYTHING brits do starting from unit system to driving.

No argument to support AP is your integral part?

 

[true_indian]

What a useless thread. This is going nowhere.

 

[true_indian]

No argument to support AP is your integral part?

Nope. Last I checked, its still under Indian administration. So there's nothing to prove there.