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South Korea President warns North Korea against Provaction

Bunk. If true, then non-US satellites images would have shown up by now.


Considering how you failed to consider non-US satellite sources, this more applies to you. :lol:

my dear friend, I praise your valor and grit to explain the things for what they are. sometimes there is no point blowing the trumpet in the ear of a deaf man. As noble your stand here has been, you are just fighting a lost cause.

Even if you point that Kim Jong Il's casket is carried by a Lincoln Continental Limos of 1970s, it does not matter. I mean come on what kind of country would use a 35 year old Limo for funeral procession, only the most advanced I suppose.
 
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Yeah...We can see YOU moving to North Korea anytime soon? Or is it more likely that you like the polluting Internet too much to give up living in the US, a country that you hate?


Then why not let the people vote with their feet? Like how East Germany did? Or is it more likely that is what you are terrified of? That the North Koreans are no different than the East German?

Give it up. Intellectual honesty is not what the Chinese boys are known for here. The reason why the lot of you ostensibly 'support' North Korea is NOT because it is better than South Korea in any way but more because you need the suffering of a people to give China a military bugger zone. This is why the lot of you are nothing but cowards when it comes to the Korea issue.

Same logic: If you love SK so much why don't YOU move to SK NOW?

Dude, most NK people vote with their feet by staying in NK!

Don't you see that?

And many SK people vote with their feet by running away from SK!

Don't you see that, either?

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According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the countries of origin for the largest numbers of illegal immigrants are as follows (latest of 2009):[16]
Country of origin Raw number Percent of total Percent change 2000 to 2009
Mexico 6,650,000 62% +42%
El Salvador 530,000 5% +25%
Guatemala 480,000 4% +65%
Honduras 320,000 3% +95%
Philippines 270,000 2% +33%
India 200,000 2% +64%
Korea 200,000 2% +14%
Ecuador 170,000 2% +55%
Brazil 150,000 1% +49%
China 120,000 1% -37%
Other 1,650,000 15% -17%

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In case you are selective blind, I boldfaced and enlarged the fond size for you. :hitwall:

Tell us if the people SK love SK so much why do they want to run away from that country and be ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?

SK is a country very depressive and oppressive. SK has a population of 48,754,657 (2011), and nearly half percent of that population ran away from their democracy within one year.

If the trend persists, within 100 years their population will be reduced by half, assuming their reproductive rate is just enough to compensate the death.

And if you love that country, then you go ahead to purify USA a little bit. Leave this country for SK, and thank you so much!
 
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See logic: If you love SK so much why don't YOU move to SK NOW?
Why? I have a better country: US.

Dude, most NK people vote with their feet by staying in NK!
Really? So the DMZ was constructed by South Korea to keep South Koreans from going north? :lol: The rest of your argument does not deserve any response as to how dishonest it is.

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my dear friend, I praise your valor and grit to explain the things for what they are. sometimes there is no point blowing the trumpet in the ear of a deaf man. As noble your stand here has been, you are just fighting a lost cause.
This is not about them. They -- the Chinese boys -- are already a lost cause. This is about the silent readers who should be presented with counter arguments to the Chinese boys' stupidity.

Even if you point that Kim Jong Il's casket is carried by a Lincoln Continental Limos of 1970s, it does not matter. I mean come on what kind of country would use a 35 year old Limo for funeral procession, only the most advanced I suppose.
That goes to show how pathetic that abomination called 'North Korea' really is. And yet the Chinese boys here believe that people want to stay there.
 
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Just like North Korea today, without China, North Viet Nam was more the true joke of a 'country' than South Viet Nam was. For all your talk, would YOU live in North Korea? Coward.
Us only wanna split VN into North and South , they never care if VN have "Democracy "or not. Ho Chi MInh dismissed Communist party in 1946 and request US help, but US refused and help her white ally France instead.
 
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See logic: If you love SK so much why don't YOU move to SK NOW?

Dude, most NK people vote with their feet by staying in NK!

Don't you see that?

And many SK people vote with their feet by running away from SK!

Don't you see that, either?



In case you are selective blind, I boldfaced and enlarged the fond size for you. :hitwall:

Tell us if the people SK love SK so much why do they want to run away from that country and be ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?

SK is a country very depressive and oppressive.

I do not know which part of US you live in, but people come to US for various reasons. Yes, some are purely economical and some are purely family related.

You are obviously another false flag, if you were to believe NK people stay in NK. No they cannot escape through DMZ and they escape to China, but if caught in China they are deported back to NK, people make journey to Thailand... where they go to SK consulate to go to SK. You see the distance people need to travel out of NK illegally?

For an argument against NK, you do not even have to bring political or economic liberties.. people are starving and NK Army has diverted aid money and aid to somewhere else. Unless you are love watching people die of hunger, I do not see a case to be made for NK. Perhaps, my IQ is too less and soft to understand the super-IQed people like you.
 
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I do not know which part of US you live in, but people come to US for various reasons. Yes, some are purely economical and some are purely family related.

You are obviously another false flag, if you were to believe NK people stay in NK. No they cannot escape through DMZ and they escape to China, but if caught in China they are deported back to NK, people make journey to Thailand... where they go to SK consulate to go to SK. You see the distance people need to travel out of NK illegally?

For an argument against NK, you do not even have to bring political or economic liberties.. people are starving and NK Army has diverted aid money and aid to somewhere else. Unless you are love watching people die of hunger, I do not see a case to be made for NK. Perhaps, my IQ is too less and soft to understand the super-IQed people like you.
The man knows these facts and that knowledge make him intellectually dishonest. Like the rest of the Chinese boys here.
 
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my dear friend, I praise your valor and grit to explain the things for what they are. sometimes there is no point blowing the trumpet in the ear of a deaf man. As noble your stand here has been, you are just fighting a lost cause.

Even if you point that Kim Jong Il's casket is carried by a Lincoln Continental Limos of 1970s, it does not matter. I mean come on what kind of country would use a 35 year old Limo for funeral procession, only the most advanced I suppose.

Right, keep praising fools and ignore the iron facts that SK people running away from their country and illegally enter USA.
 
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Right, keep praising fools and ignore the iron facts that SK people running away from their country and illegally enter USA.
You mean there are no Chinese human trafficking into the US?
 
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I do not know which part of US you live in, but people come to US for various reasons. Yes, some are purely economical and some are purely family related.

You are obviously another false flag, if you were to believe NK people stay in NK. No they cannot escape through DMZ and they escape to China, but if caught in China they are deported back to NK, people make journey to Thailand... where they go to SK consulate to go to SK. You see the distance people need to travel out of NK illegally?

For an argument against NK, you do not even have to bring political or economic liberties.. people are starving and NK Army has diverted aid money and aid to somewhere else. Unless you are love watching people die of hunger, I do not see a case to be made for NK. Perhaps, my IQ is too less and soft to understand the super-IQed people like you.

I was really doubtful about the IQ theory, but your post proves to me the truth of the theory.

BTW, I fully understand you are on SK illegal immigrants' side, because India is the same democracy that produce huge amount of illegal immigrants.

Sham on democracy (of SK and India)!
 
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You mean there are no Chinese human trafficking into the US?

Dude, you have bipolar-disorder again?

"Communist China" does better than "democracy SK" on this aspect.

Half percent of SK people are running away from SK and illegally enter the USA.

0.001% of Chinese people are running away from China and illegally enter the USA.

Have you finished you primary school?

:lol:
 
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Dude, you have bipolar-disorder again?

"Communist China" does better than "democracy SK" on this aspect.

Half percent of SK people are running away from SK and illegally enter the USA.

0.001% of Chinese people are running away from China and illegally enter the USA.

Have you finished you primary school?
China is 'communist' only in name because the 'dictatorship' label is rhetorically more abhorrent.
 
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I was really doubtful about the IQ theory, but your post proves to me the truth of the theory.

BTW, I fully understand you are on SK illegal immigrants' side, because India is the same democracy that produce huge amount of illegal immigrants.

Sham on democracy (of SK and India)!

Somalia has fewer illegal immigrants than China. Hence according to your Super-IQed logic, Somalia > China.

What do I know.
 
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Just like North Korea today, without China, North Viet Nam was more the true joke of a 'country' than South Viet Nam was. For all your talk, would YOU live in North Korea? Coward.
If you get beaten by what you call a "joke" of a country in the form of North Vietnam, does that make you the butt of the joke?

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China is 'communist' only in name because the 'dictatorship' label is rhetorically more abhorrent.
The place you got chased off from is so democratic right?
 
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If you get beaten by what you call a "joke" of a country in the form of North Vietnam, does that make you the butt of the joke?

Gambit is wise guy, but I don't know why he love to kiss he white @$$ , even those @$$ killed lots of VNese and never care about"democracy" in VN.

If US want VN to have a true Democracy, they could help VN in 1946 already.
Throughout the 1940s Ho Chi Minh and other Vietnamese leaders made repeated appeals to Truman and other American officials to help them gain independence from French colonial rule. These appeals were generally ignored.


On February 16th, 1945 Ho Chi Minh wrote a letter to President Truman asking for American assistance in gaining Vietnamese freedom. The letter closed with the remarks:

We ask what has been graciously granted to the Philippines. Like the Philippines our goal is full independence and full cooperation with the UNITED STATES. We will do our best to make this independence and cooperation profitable to the whole world.

I am dear Mr. PRESIDENT,

Respectfully Yours,

Ho Chi Minh

The letter was not declassified until 1972.

For the full text of this letter, and others, see:

Collection of Letters by Ho Chi Minh

In 1945 Ho Chi Minh declared Vietnamese Independence, and conflict between the French and the Vietnamese people officially began.

The Declaration of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam starts:

"All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights; among these are Liberty, Life and the pursuit of Happiness."

This immortal statement appeared in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. In a broader sense, it means: all the peoples on the earth are equal from birth, all the peoples have a right to live and to be happy and free.

The Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, made at the time of the French Revolution, in 1791, also states: "All men are born free and with equal rights, and must always remain free and have equal rights."

Those are undeniable truths.

Nevertheless, for more than eighty years, the French imperialists, abusing the standard of liberty, Equality and Fraternity, have violated our Fatherland and oppressed our fellow-citizens. They have acted contrary to the ideals of humanity and justice.

Politically: they have deprived our people of every democratic liberty…

Due to the fact that Ho had tried every conceivable way to cooperate with both the French and Americans in gaining Vietnamese independence, and all of those efforts had been fruitless, Ho turned to the Communists for help.

The US generally took an approach of non-involvement in the issue of Vietnamese and French conflict, and in doing so supported French colonialism. America became less and less inclined to support Ho Chi Min due to his Communist affiliation yet at the same time American analysts could not draw any link between Ho Chi Minh and Moscow, writing that Ho Chi Minh did not seem to be following any directive from Moscow and that the policies of Ho Chi Minh did not correlate with Russian policy.

Nowhere did the coming of Americans, in the case a mere handful of them, mean so much to a people as it did to the population of northern Indo-China. To Annamites, our coming was the symbol of liberation not from the Japanese occupation but from decades of French colonial rule. For the Annamite government considered the United States the principal champion of the rights of small peoples, guaranteed so promisingly by the United Nations conferences... Our prowess in the war, our vast production abilities, our progressiveness in technical and social fields- all were known by the Annamites, to a surprising degree. In their blueprint for self-government they envisaged American trade bringing them peacetime products.

American technicians to help then industrialize Vietnam, American consulates in the political, medical and social sciences. Essentially, they feel that the French did not develop the resources of the country for the benefit of the people themselves, and in their own planning have emphasized their intention to throw Vietnam open to American commercial penetration. As a matter of practical preference they would like to see the economy of Vietnam geared to our own if that were possible or desirable to us. Above all they want the good will of the American people and our government. From the top of the Annamite leadership to the bottom of the social scale in Tonkin, every person made a visible effort to please American officers and men. They offered courtesies and simple gestures of friendship at every opportunity.

The C.B.I. patch on the shoulder of an American was his ticket to a warm welcome and good treatment... Annamites asked for all sorts of advice-how to run a newspaper, how to repair and operate machinery, how to run a street-cleaning department most efficiently-even though they were managing quite well indeed in operating utilities and other physical functions of government. They inquired about our schools, our courts, our elections, about the workings of both houses of the Congress. They seemed to feel that every American contained within himself all the virtues and accomplishments of the nation they wanted most to emulate...
- Arthur Hale, U.S. Information Agency 1945 (not declassified until 1972)

Viet-Minh, as its first move after seizure of the government, sought a united front against French imperialism... Frenchmen think that by labeling Viet-Minh "Communist," they have summed up the situation to the disadvantage of the Vietnam government. There is considerable communist influence in Viet-Minh... The national salute is very nearly the raised right arm salute of the communists. Posters, banners, have been adapted from Western leftist art... But at the same time there is ample evidence of an equally strong influence from the United States... Policy statements and declarations by the government are obvious imitations of American techniques of democratic government. In short, the Viet-Minh leadership seems to have used communist methods of appeal to arouse the masses behind a program for an independent democracy...
- Arthur Hale, U.S. Information Agency 1945 (not declassified until 1972)

It was clear that the Vietnamese people wanted freedom from foreign intervention.

What followed between the region of South East Asia and Western powers was an unnecessary escalation of conflict. Western powers, including the United States, feared Communism and they also felt that non-Western people were not adequate to govern themselves and certainly not to be trusted with important resources and geographic regions. It was felt that it was important to keep economically and militarily strategic locations under Western authority. Had the United States or France given support to Ho Chi Minh and supported the right of Vietnam to self determination at any time up to this point, it is very likely that Vietnam would never have pursued Communism. The only reason that the Vietnamese did was because the Communists were the only ones who were supporting Vietnam's goal of independence.

In 1967 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. gave a speech called "Beyond Vietnam", in which he stated:

They must see Americans as strange liberators. The Vietnamese people proclaimed their own independence -- in 1945 -- after a combined French and Japanese occupation and before the communist revolution in China. They were led by Ho Chi Minh. Even though they quoted the American Declaration of Independence in their own document of freedom, we refused to recognize them
. Instead, we decided to support France in its reconquest of her former colony. Our government felt then that the Vietnamese people were not ready for independence, and we again fell victim to the deadly Western arrogance that has poisoned the international atmosphere for so long. With that tragic decision we rejected a revolutionary government seeking self-determination and a government that had been established not by China -- for whom the Vietnamese have no great love -- but by clearly indigenous forces that included some communists. For the peasants this new government meant real land reform, one of the most important needs in their lives.

For video and audio footage of Dr. King's speech see:

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 1929-1968

In 1950 the French gave up their effort to maintain direct control over Vietnam and transferred power to Bao Dai. The US recognized Bao Dai, but the Vietnamese people did not; he was generally a puppet of the French.

In 1954 President Eisenhower wrote:

I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held at the time of the fighting, possibly 80 percent of the population would have voted for Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader rather then Chief of State Bao Dai.

In 1953 President Eisenhower proclaimed at the Governor's conference in Seattle:

Now let us assume that we lose Indochina. If Indochina goes, several things happen right away. The Malayan peninsula would be scarcely defensible- and tin and tungsten we so greatly value from that area would cease coming… All of that weakening position around there is very ominous for the United States, because finally if we lost all that, how would the free world hold the rich empire of Indonesia? So you see, somewhere along the line, this must be blocked. That is what the French are doing…

So, when the United States votes $400 million to help that war, we are not voting for a giveaway program. We are voting for the cheapest way that we can to prevent the occurrence of something that would be of the most terrible significance for the United States of America- our security, our power and ability to get certain things from the riches of South East Asia.

This is one of my favorite quotes because it so eloquently illustrates the reality of the geopolitical situation. "…how would the 'free world' 'hold' the rich empire of Indonesia?" Indeed. This gets to the crux of not only the Vietnamese situation but the global situation, and obviously the Iraqi situation. The free world is free because it does "hold" control over the "other" parts of the world. The world that is not "free" is not free precisely because it is "held" by the "free world", and the freedom that is possible in the "free world" is only possible because of these holdings.

The Vietnamese people never accepted the rule of Bao Dai. Ho Chi Minh and his forces continued to fight for true independence and the establishment of a communist government that would be free from foreign intervention.
The American involvement in Vietnam

What can I say about Gambit now: Idiot VNese who recognise enemy as Father.:tdown:
 
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If you get beaten by what you call a "joke" of a country in the form of North Vietnam, does that make you the butt of the joke?
The joke here is your understanding of the history of the war. After the US largely withdrew from ground combat, the NVA continued to be defeated by the ARVN. Once the Americans withdrew their support while China continued to support the North Vietnamese, then South Viet Nam was defeated. Funny how China's support for North Viet Nam continued to be conveniently omitted.

The place you got chased off from is so democratic right?
In many ways, it was more democratic than your China.

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Gambit is wise guy, but I don't know why he love to kiss he white @$$ , even those @$$ killed lots of VNese and never care about"democracy" in VN.

If US want VN to have a true Democracy, they could help VN in 1946 already.

The American involvement in Vietnam

What can I say about Gambit now: Idiot VNese who recognise enemy as Father.:tdown:
Hey buddy, it was Ho who invited France back into Viet Nam after WW II.
 
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