South China Sea row: British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth ignores Chinese threats

[GumNaam]

wow, congrats brits, your bucket of bolts made it without leaking a diesel this time, well done ol' buckteeth chap!

 

[Trango Towers]

but tech without discipline in both politics, diplomatic ranks, and armies/navies/air-forces/etc, is useless.

So Chinese have no discipline? Where did u get that from?

 

[PakFactor]

yes Qing dynasties also built a 1,000 ship navy

tiny Royal Navy wiped them out

its quality not quantity

Your seriously comparing a Junk Ship which is what they were called against what the Europeans had?

That's like comparing a propeller plane against an F-15 we've seen what the Japanese were capable of during the Meji Era when they quickly adapted the western model and had their industrial revolution and they took out the Russian's and the rest was history.

This is the problem when people don't know their history or more specifically military history of a certain era when comparing powers. All what you and others have said is basically apple and oranges and feel good lines.

The Chinese are going through their own industrial revolution -- to think a war with China will stay conventional is also a folly it will turn nuclear not that I care don't mind a few being lobbed between the Europeans and Chinese/Russians.

It's been awhile since great powers fought each other, and each time their is a rebalance globally and we are due for another one and a serious one and I personally feel and will justify use of nuclear weapons the uni-polar world controlled by the West has done more damage than good:

Uncheck power driven by self-interest, scarcity, grandiosity and aggression, is deadly to God's original fruitful purposes.
- Andy Crouch

 

[PeaceGen]

FYI, and for all your geo-political usage, here's my version of the Pixar pictures 'Finding Nemo' movie Seagull chase scene info graphic (which is excellent to have as a laptop background picture when you're going out for instance)..

So Chinese have no discipline? Where did u get that from?

their increasingly aggressive national rethoric, put forth by their top leader, mr Xi Jinping (sorry if i mis-spelled his name).

 

[GiantPanda]

yes Qing dynasties also built a 1,000 ship navy

tiny Royal Navy wiped them out

its quality not quantity

Right.

The UK also owned India back then but is it possible today? The Brits also kept your people as colonial subjects and legally treated them as subhumans. Can they do that today?

Unlikely. The UK refused to send their Navy to keep Hong Kong.

China will continue to pump ships into its seas. And will continue to expand Chinese jurisdiction long after the QE had sailed home.

 

[PeaceGen]

Your seriously comparing a Junk Ship which is what they were called against what the Europeans had?

That's like comparing a propeller plane against an F-15 we've seen what the Japanese were capable of during the Meji Era when they quickly adapted the western model and had their industrial revolution and they took out the Russian's and the rest was history.

This is the problem when people don't know their history or more specifically military history of a certain era when comparing powers. All what you and others have said is basically apple and oranges and feel good lines.

The Chinese are going through their own industrial revolution -- to think a war with China will stay conventional is also a folly it will turn nuclear not that I care don't mind a few being lobbed between the Europeans and Chinese/Russians.

It's been awhile since great powers fought each other, and each time their is a rebalance globally and we are due for another one and a serious one and I personally feel and will justify use of nuclear weapons the uni-polar world controlled by the West has done more damage than good:

Uncheck power driven by self-interest, scarcity, grandiosity and aggression, is deadly to God's original fruitful purposes.
- Andy Crouch

and lobbing nukes between the world's super powers, is God's original fruitful plan or something?

i can understand Muslims and other nations being frustrated with regional wars, but to wish nuclear war upon others is way worse than what we ever did to your peoples.

plus : nuclear detonation radiation tends to go where the wind goes.

Right.

The UK also owned India back then but is it possible today? The Brits also kept your people as colonial subjects and legally treated them as subhumans. Can they do that today?

Unlikely. The UK refused to send their Navy to keep Hong Kong.

China will continue to pump ships into its seas. And will continue to expand Chinese jurisdiction long after the QE had sailed home.

China will continue to fuel the western alliance's military industrial apparatus,
and waste it's own wealth on military assets,
while at the same time seeing it's western income dry up.

that's my prediction based on what i read on usmessageboard.com today..

by the way, it's just about bed-time for me...

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

yes Qing dynasties also built a 1,000 ship navy

tiny Royal Navy wiped them out

its quality not quantity

So? And 1 Type 055 can wipe out all 6 Type 45. This ain't the 1840s anymore. China has tech advantage over Britain.

 

[Pakistan First]

You chose the Americans too wisely too . Chinese are not going to take that long to dump you.

India is already learning what is involved in entering into and maintaining a relationship with the US.

 

[PeaceGen]

i suppose we can start floating the ships around the South China Sea then... it'll be costly, we'll end up paying the Chinese government taxes for transit rights, but you got a valid point.

i'll try to bring it up on my peacefan @usmessageboard.com account sometime soon, but they got a lot on their minds already, ideas i introduced there this week, which go against decades worth of sturdy American indoctrination of their own populations...

(10 minutes later, update at

https://www.facebook.com/rene.veerman.90/posts/523732305621682

) :

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/sout...-ignores-chinese-threats.718364/post-13250676
i am thoroughly against regional and large scale wars.
that just wastes lives and money. don't get me wrong, i'm not against the arms industries of Earth at all..
i think they're doing a fine job keeping us strong.
i just hate to see mass casualty events.

but i can't always go against (large-scale) government + mass-media-industry PR campaigns happening in multiple major countries at the same time, and doing *that* also goes too far against the principles of free speech.
that's where manipulation starts, and you end up being a meglanomaniac. which i'm certainly *not*.

the latest background info :

Kamala Harris accuses Beijing of continuing to 'coerce' and 'intimidate' in South China Sea

The US Vice-President delivers a sharp rebuke to China during a visit to South-East Asia aimed at bolstering ties with allies in the region to counter Beijing's growing influence.

www.abc.net.au

The National Interest: Blog

nationalinterest.org

and here's my official statement on this matter :

we, the citizens of Earth, as well as your police forces, your soldiers, your doctors, and every other hero who does the actual work of protecting us against real threats,
need more cooperation between the superpowers, not more rivalry.

because rivalry fosters arms races.
arms races foster (the risk of) regional wars.
(the risk of) regional wars puts entire populations in prolonged massive fear or total misery.

all while the politicians stay safe in well protected bunkers.
this is extremely unfair.

a couple of examples of how not to do things :
- China builds up military assets in the South China Sea and bullies countries around the South China Sea to accept China as the sole ruler of that sea.
- China tries hard to expand their new "empire" all the way to Iran, by being blatantly and extremely friendly to Iran, a nation that has shouted "Death To America", and "Death To Israel" on many occasions.
- Russia uses a nerve agent (which could have killed innocents as well) to get rid of a traitor on British soil. They should have used a good old fashioned silence headshot instead.
- The UK recently floats military boats right off the coast of Crimea, where the Russians have a naval base of over a century old, right in that sea that is the backyard of Russia. And then they laugh it off in public. very transparent, and very counter productive to world peace if you ask me.
- NATO retreats from Afghanistan, probably knowing full well that the 2-faced Taliban will eventually harbor terror training camps again (forcing us to "go back in"), and meanwhile leaving millions of modern thinking, nice Afghans to the whims of the Taliban doctrines.

and a couple of examples of how *to* do things :
- the US gets cyber attacked on vital commercial infrastructure like gas pipelines and meat factory operations from Eastern Europe and Russia, then asks Putin nicely to do something about, and Putin orders his troops to actually make that happen.
- China and Russia seem to get along in the contested region of far-eastern Russia, where there is an influx of Chinese immigrants into Russia.
- Iran has vital oil trade deals going with Venezuela, where the US is being far too aggressive with their sanctions weapons.

See, i, and all other peaceful, law-abiding citizens of Earth, want to see cooperation not just between allies in an alliance of nations, but between these alliances *AS WELL*.

LET THAT SINK IN PROPERLY, YOU WELL-PAID, LUXURIOUSLY HOUSED, ALWAYS-SECURED POLITICIANS OF EARTH!