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We're not talking reaffirmation but stuffing cotton in the ears.

That's the first time I've ever heard that excuse and I don't see how it applies, it doesn't affect China's external boundaries and claims at all, does it?

Lol, that's how diplomacy works. But yes, like I've already explained, the most important island in the Spratly chain and the only island that is qualified for EEZ is controlled by ROC. So yes, it would matter greatly.
 
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Lol, that's how diplomacy works.
Unless the matter is urgent, such brutality is usually employed by diplomats only when they have weak moral or legal grounds to stand upon.

...the most important island in the Spratly chain and the only island that is qualified for EEZ is controlled by ROC. So yes, it would matter greatly.
I can't see how that matters in the slightest when it comes to external negotiations.
 
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Unless the matter is urgent, such brutality is usually employed by diplomats only when they have weak moral or legal grounds to stand upon.

I can't see how that matters in the slightest when it comes to external negotiations.

Brutality? Statement of brutality? Oh boy. Of course it matters as the relevant party can negotiate with ROC to get a more favorable term just as Japan has with its fishing right agreement.
 
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Please,have your discussions,but without any offence.If this thread succeed in having peaceful discussions till 23 posts,then I will be getting a real good heart attack:lol:
On serious note,it is not a game.US-China needs to reconsider such cases and should sit together to resolve them.
To the thread op,he should grow up and learn that war is a bad game.If US wasted all it's economy on this,then she will eventually lost her position,a really sincere advise.Economical and regional stability comes first.
Regards

Excuse me? I don't know if you are referring to me or the article creator himself. Whatever it is, it is people's opinion. Everyone knows war is bad. If China wants to create a problem worldwide, then be it. Everyone has their ways to fend for themselves. However, US knows its place and doesn't need to brag about its power. A threat to US is a threat to NATO. Telling someone to grow up is very short sited and immature.
 
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U.S. Plans More Patrols in South China Sea Despite Chinese Rebuke
South China Sea Dispute: U.S. Plans Additional Patrols

The U.S. is planning more naval patrols in the South China Sea despite a strong rebuke from the Chinese government, according to a new report.

The news, attributed to an anonymous U.S. defense official by by Voice of America, comes after a China Foreign Ministry spokesman condemned a U.S. patrol in the disputed waters as “deliberately provocative actions.” U.S. Ambassador to China Max Baucus had been summoned to explain the perceived violation of China’s territory on Tuesday. The U.S. official said of the patrols: “This is not going to be the last one.”

“We stand firmly against the harm caused by any country to China’s sovereignty and security interests under the cloak of navigation and over-flight freedom,” said a statement from the Chinese government.

The U.S. patrol occurred near artificial islands built by China on reefs in the Sea. Vietnam, Taiwan, Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines also have claims in the region. The U.S. move follows prodding from allies.

[VOA]
 
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The best way to respond would be to in return hold a freedom of navigation operation in Alaska and Florida.
Absolutely. Especially the Gulf of Mexico.

Ever since that Chinese admiral said the SCS belongs to China because of the 'China' in its name, the Mexicans have been asserting themselves in the Gulf of Mexico because of the name 'Mexico'. The US is helpless under Mexican bullying. Would China give a show of strength to the Mexicans ? :lol:
 
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US can send some big fishing vessel there to score more point.

1 big fishing vessel, 1 point. If CN go nuts and ram you fishing ships, then just slap a hard sanction on th after TPP to eliminate CN economy :partay:
 
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U forget Franklin Island to Britain or Hawaii to U.S, there's nothing is ludicrous, power speaking in the world ... also Japan building artificial island in the pacific.
No I don't. An EEZ does not give territorial rights. Only yor 12nmi zone does.

Falkland islands bro.:D
The brits are not claiming the entire south atlantic, are they?

Dark blue/red only is territorial waters. That;'s where sovereignty applied. Only there. You can't exlude surface traffic from an EEZ.
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China has yet to declare its EEZ. Of all the islansd in the Spratly chain, there is a single island that is fully qualified for EEZ, and that is the Taiping island which is currently controlled by ROC. So until PRC/ROC resolve their difference, China will most definitely hold back on such a declaration. Right now China is just sticking to the 9 dash line which is a mirror of the 10 dash line published by ROC without giving much detail.
None of this is territorial waters. You can't exlude surface or even air traffic from anything but you land area and 12nmi zone. Period.
 
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None of this is territorial waters. You can't exlude surface or even air traffic from anything but you land area and 12nmi zone. Period.

Never said it was. China never made any attempt in stopping air or surface traffic through the region. Rather US vessel did enter the 12nm zone if case you haven't notice.
 
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'China no longer a Western colony & won't be bullied'

While the world’s attention has been focused on events in the Middle East and Ukraine and the US-Russia standoff, another crisis has been brewing in the South China Sea where Washington’s writ is being contested by China.
It is a territorial dispute that goes back centuries, but which has become increasingly tense in recent years.

Deepening tensions in the South China Sea involving a territorial dispute over the Paracel and Spratly Islands – in truth, submerged pieces of rock - are particularly delicate, given that the dispute involves multiple countries, including China, Vietnam, Singapore Malaysia, Taiwan, and the Philippines.

The waters around these islands are known to be rich in natural resources, and would constitute a significant boon to the economy of the state that has sovereignty over them.

Meanwhile, China - much to the consternation of the United States - has been actively constructing a man-made island in the area, which includes a runway big enough for military aircraft.

This dispute cannot be treated in isolation from its wider geopolitical context. As China’s economy continues to grow relative to the US economy, Washington is using this dispute as an excuse to exert pressure on China militarily with the objective of intimidating Beijing and reminding it to know its place in the global scheme of things.

Consider the extent to which the US has been arming Japan, South Korea, and its other South Asian satellite states in recent years. The official line is that US allies located in proximity to China are upping their military spending in response to China’s own increase in military spending, which is set to rise by around 10 percent this year, pushing it just over $140 billion.

However, China’s military budget still remains miniscule compared to the US equivalent, which the Obama administration has decided will come in at around a mammoth $585 billion in 2016.

Beijing claims that its increase in military spending is primarily to meet the cost of modernization, as it equips its army, air force, and navy with the latest technology and weaponry, and works to integrate them. It is also the case that as China’s economic footprint grows so does its security needs in order to protect those interests.

More importantly, we have to consider the deep national scars that remain ever present within the Chinese national psyche over the humiliation it has experienced in its history – not to mention brutality and barbarism – as a consequence of its occupation by Japan between 1931 and 1945, and prior to that as a colony of the Western powers.

All these factors play into the territorial disputes that are ongoing in both the South China Sea and East China Sea (in the latter case with Japan), and which show no sign of abating anytime soon. China’s determination to assert its territorial claim is a product of its determination to deter any would-be aggressor and ensure that its sovereignty remains inviolate.

Without any sense of irony, the US, operating on behalf of the other nations involved in the dispute, claims that China’s actions are a violation of international law and freedom of navigation.

This at least is the justification for the recent provocative appearance of the USS Lassen – a US Navy guided missile destroyer - patrolling waters claimed by China around the Spratly Islands.

In response, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs summoned the US Ambassador to China, Max Baucus, for an explanation, railing against what it considers was a clear violation of its territory.

China also issued the following statement through its foreign affairs spokesman, Lu Kang: “If any country thinks that, through some gimmicks, they will be able to interfere with or even prevent China from engaging in reasonable, legitimate and legal activities in its own territories, I want to suggest those countries give up such fantasy."

He added that China “would resolutely respond to any country’s deliberately provocative actions.”

For too long Washington has viewed the world as a giant chessboard and nation states as mere pieces, available to be moved around according to US economic and strategic interests. When Chinese and Russian naval carrier groups are operating up and down US coastal waters on a regular basis, and when China controls the global economy via currency hegemony, then the more discerning among us may be willing to entertain criticisms of Beijing.

Until then we can only continue to expose the rampant hypocrisy and double standards that informs US engagement with other nations and regions. China is no longer a colony of the West and will not be bullied; this much is clear. Also clear is that the only path to peace and stability is a multipolar alternative to the unipolarity enjoyed by the US over the past three decades.

And let the midwife of this multipolar world not be chaos and conflict but diplomacy, compromise, and respect for the rights and interests of all states and nations. Let there be an end to a two-tier world made up of the US and its allies at the top, and the rest of the world below.

The alternative, after all, is just too awful to contemplate.

'China no longer a Western colony & won't be bullied' — RT Op-Edge
 
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Indonesia calls for US-China to ‘restrain themselves’, lashes US ‘power projection’ after Spratly sail-by | South China Morning Post

The Indonesian government expressed disapproval Wednesday over a “power projection” exercise conducted by the United States which saw a Navy destroyer enter what Beijing claims to be its territorial waters around artificial islands in the South China Sea.

“We disagree, we don't like any power projection,” Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal and Security Affairs Luhut Pandjaitan told a small group of reporters.

“Have you ever heard of power projection solving problems? In Afghanistan? In Iraq? The United States has spent trillions of dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq. What are the results? Hundreds of thousands of people were killed. And now, violence continues to happen in Iraq,” he added.

Pandjaitan made the statement a day after the USS Lassen, based in Yokosuka, Japan, sailed near the Spratly islands, escalating tension between the United States and China.

The U.S. warship's patrol within 12 nautical miles (about 22 kilometres) of Subi Reef in the archipelago represents the U.S. government's strongest action in recent years to challenge China's continued pursuit of territorial claims in one of the world's most important shipping lanes.

China criticised the move as a “deliberate provocation.”

The current situation in Afghanistan, Iraq and some countries in the Middle East, according to Pandjaitan, has been the result of power projection by powerful countries.

“We don't want that, because we have seen that power projection will not solve any problem. Indonesia believes in the tradition of building dialogues and negotiations, because the results will be more positive than showing off your power,” he said.

Saying Indonesia's relationships with both the United States and China are good, Pandjaitan called on the two countries to “restrain themselves.” He also reiterated Indonesia's commitment to playing an active role in making the region peaceful by pushing for dialogue between conflicting countries to help settle any disputes.

U.S. Defence Secretary Ashton Carter indicated in Washington that the United States will continue its navigation in the waters.

Philippine President Benigno Aquino, speaking to foreign correspondents in Manila, said he supported the US naval manoeuvres as an assertion of freedom of navigation and as a means to balance power in the region.

“I think expressing support for established norms of international behaviour should not be a negative for a country,” he said.

“I think everybody would welcome a balance of power anywhere in the world.”

Without identifying China by name, he said “one regional power” has been making “controversial pronouncements” that must not be left unchallenged.

China claims sovereignty over most of the South China Sea, which is believed to be potentially rich in oil and gas resources.

China says the United States, Japan and other major countries are outsiders in its disputes with smaller Asian claimants, including the Philippines and Vietnam, and should not interfere.

Despite China's protests, Australian defense planners are looking at the possibility of a naval sail-through close to China's artificial islands in the South China Sea, the Wall Street Journal reported.

“Australia has been looking at options,” the report quoted one unnamed official in Australia’s military familiar with operational planning.

The report quoted another defense official as saying that plans for possible naval operations or flights by maritime patrol aircraft had been prepared, though there is no immediate intent to put them into play.

China has repeatedly argued that its rapid reclamation work is civilian in nature and warned that it would never allow violations of its territorial waters in the name of freedom of navigation.

The United States informed nations in Southeast Asia, as well as Japan, this month of its intention to send naval vessels into the disputed archipelago, according to diplomats.
 
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