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Range for KN782, DN2000 class : 5,000 nautical miles
Enough for protecting our sea , and larger range than China Type 052D ..
And China has no friendly harbor around for supplement
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US considers lifting ban on lethal weapon sales
Vietnam and the US are seeking wider cooperation in various fields after the US ban on lethal weapon sales to Vietnam is removed.
Deputy Defence Minister Senior Lieut. Gen. Truong Quang Khanh on August 4 received visiting US Senator Bob Corker, Ranking Member of the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.
Khanh affirmed that the Vietnam government and people always attach great importance to maintaining peaceful relations with other nations, in the best interest of national development.
During periods of peace, the Vietnam State and People’s Army have continually developed defence ties with other countries, including the US, Khanh told his guest.
Regarding East Sea issue, he reiterated Vietnam’s consistent policy of settling disputes through peaceful measures in accordance with international law.
Senator Corker said the US Senate is considering lifting its ban on lethal weapon sales to Vietnam.
He also highlighted the Vietnam-US fruitful relations, adding that the two sides are nearing agreement on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement.
Vietnam and the US are seeking wider cooperation in various fields after the US ban on lethal weapon sales to Vietnam is removed.
Deputy Defence Minister Senior Lieut. Gen. Truong Quang Khanh on August 4 received visiting US Senator Bob Corker, Ranking Member of the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.
Khanh affirmed that the Vietnam government and people always attach great importance to maintaining peaceful relations with other nations, in the best interest of national development.
During periods of peace, the Vietnam State and People’s Army have continually developed defence ties with other countries, including the US, Khanh told his guest.
Regarding East Sea issue, he reiterated Vietnam’s consistent policy of settling disputes through peaceful measures in accordance with international law.
Senator Corker said the US Senate is considering lifting its ban on lethal weapon sales to Vietnam.
He also highlighted the Vietnam-US fruitful relations, adding that the two sides are nearing agreement on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement.
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are you mocking china LOL!!!
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U.S. to monitor South China Sea for de-escalation after China rebuff
Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:19pm GMT
By Lesley Wroughton
SYDNEY (Reuters) - The United States will monitor the South China Sea to see whether "de-escalatory steps" are being taken, a U.S. State Department official said on Monday, a day after China resisted pressure to rein in actions in the disputed waters.
The official spoke as U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Sydney for talks on regional security with Australian officials, that will also involve Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.
A U.S. proposal for a freeze on provocative acts in the South China Sea got a cool response from China and some Southeast Asian nations at a regional meeting at the weekend, an apparent setback to U.S. efforts to thwart China's assertive moves.
The U.S. official said the United States would follow up on those talks by assessing an ASEAN-China meeting due in a few weeks time on implementing a 2002 declaration on conduct in the South China Sea, something that "equates to the freeze."
"We will also be monitoring the actual situation around the rocks, reefs, and shoals in the South China Sea," he said.
China's Xinhua state news agency accused Washington of "stoking the flames," and "further emboldening countries like the Philippines and Vietnam to take a hardline stance against China, raising suspicion over the real intention of the United States and make an amicable solution more difficult to reach."
"It is a painful reality that Uncle Sam has left too many places in chaos after it stepped in, as what people are witnessing now in Iraq, Syria and Libya," Xinhua added in a commentary. "The South China Sea should not be the next one."
A spokeswoman for the U.S. State Department hit back by saying the United States was not responsible for fomenting instability in the South China Sea.
"It's the aggressive acts the Chinese have taken that are doing do," Marie Harf told a regular news briefing.
"Everything that we are doing is designed to lower tensions, to get people (to) resolve their difference diplomatically and not through coercive and destabilising measures like we've seen the Chinese take increasingly over the past several months."
SPIKE IN TENSIONSSouth China Sea tensions spiked in May when China parked a giant oil rig in waters also claimed by Vietnam. The United States and the Philippines have both called for a freeze in such moves, as well as on building and land reclamation work on disputed islands.
The rancour over the disputed sea has split ASEAN, with several states including some of the claimant nations reluctant to jeopardise rising trade and investment ties with China.
China has been able to head off regional action on the maritime issue before, most notably in 2012 when an ASEAN meeting chaired by Chinese ally Cambodia broke down in acrimony.
Australia was one of the countries to support the U.S. proposal at the weekend ASEAN meeting in Myanmar.
The U.S.-Australia meetings will include discussions on cooperation in missile defence, cyber security and maritime security, U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel told reporters at a briefing with Australian counterpart David Johnston.
The two sides will also sign an agreement reached between U.S. President Barack Obama and Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott on the deployment of U.S. marines to Australia for joint exercises and training in areas such as disaster relief.
Hagel said the Unite States was firmly committed to its policy of a strategic rebalance to the Asia-Pacific, something that has irked China and been questioned by allies who wonder the extent of U.S. commitment to the region.
"We have an interest here, we will continue to have an interest here, we are a Pacific power," he said.
Some 1,150 Marines are stationed in Darwin in Australia's tropical north under a 2011 agreement that launched Obama's "pivot" to Asia.
The contingent, primed to respond to regional conflicts and humanitarian crises, is expected to swell to 2,500 by 2017. Johnston said troop numbers would be discussed at Tuesday's talks, amid reports that the U.S. plans to station more fighter jets and bombers in Australia's north.
(Additional reporting by Jane Wardell in Sydney, Ben Blanchard in Beijing and David Brunnstrom in Washington; Editing by Jeremy Laurence, Robert Birsel and Tom Brown)
Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:19pm GMT
By Lesley Wroughton
SYDNEY (Reuters) - The United States will monitor the South China Sea to see whether "de-escalatory steps" are being taken, a U.S. State Department official said on Monday, a day after China resisted pressure to rein in actions in the disputed waters.
The official spoke as U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Sydney for talks on regional security with Australian officials, that will also involve Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.
A U.S. proposal for a freeze on provocative acts in the South China Sea got a cool response from China and some Southeast Asian nations at a regional meeting at the weekend, an apparent setback to U.S. efforts to thwart China's assertive moves.
The U.S. official said the United States would follow up on those talks by assessing an ASEAN-China meeting due in a few weeks time on implementing a 2002 declaration on conduct in the South China Sea, something that "equates to the freeze."
"We will also be monitoring the actual situation around the rocks, reefs, and shoals in the South China Sea," he said.
China's Xinhua state news agency accused Washington of "stoking the flames," and "further emboldening countries like the Philippines and Vietnam to take a hardline stance against China, raising suspicion over the real intention of the United States and make an amicable solution more difficult to reach."
"It is a painful reality that Uncle Sam has left too many places in chaos after it stepped in, as what people are witnessing now in Iraq, Syria and Libya," Xinhua added in a commentary. "The South China Sea should not be the next one."
A spokeswoman for the U.S. State Department hit back by saying the United States was not responsible for fomenting instability in the South China Sea.
"It's the aggressive acts the Chinese have taken that are doing do," Marie Harf told a regular news briefing.
"Everything that we are doing is designed to lower tensions, to get people (to) resolve their difference diplomatically and not through coercive and destabilising measures like we've seen the Chinese take increasingly over the past several months."
SPIKE IN TENSIONSSouth China Sea tensions spiked in May when China parked a giant oil rig in waters also claimed by Vietnam. The United States and the Philippines have both called for a freeze in such moves, as well as on building and land reclamation work on disputed islands.
The rancour over the disputed sea has split ASEAN, with several states including some of the claimant nations reluctant to jeopardise rising trade and investment ties with China.
China has been able to head off regional action on the maritime issue before, most notably in 2012 when an ASEAN meeting chaired by Chinese ally Cambodia broke down in acrimony.
Australia was one of the countries to support the U.S. proposal at the weekend ASEAN meeting in Myanmar.
The U.S.-Australia meetings will include discussions on cooperation in missile defence, cyber security and maritime security, U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel told reporters at a briefing with Australian counterpart David Johnston.
The two sides will also sign an agreement reached between U.S. President Barack Obama and Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott on the deployment of U.S. marines to Australia for joint exercises and training in areas such as disaster relief.
Hagel said the Unite States was firmly committed to its policy of a strategic rebalance to the Asia-Pacific, something that has irked China and been questioned by allies who wonder the extent of U.S. commitment to the region.
"We have an interest here, we will continue to have an interest here, we are a Pacific power," he said.
Some 1,150 Marines are stationed in Darwin in Australia's tropical north under a 2011 agreement that launched Obama's "pivot" to Asia.
The contingent, primed to respond to regional conflicts and humanitarian crises, is expected to swell to 2,500 by 2017. Johnston said troop numbers would be discussed at Tuesday's talks, amid reports that the U.S. plans to station more fighter jets and bombers in Australia's north.
(Additional reporting by Jane Wardell in Sydney, Ben Blanchard in Beijing and David Brunnstrom in Washington; Editing by Jeremy Laurence, Robert Birsel and Tom Brown)
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China violating Vietnam's sovereignty in Hoang Sa
Vietnam's sovereignty over the Hoang Sa Archipelago is proven through historical evidence and based on a solid legal basis as being analyzed in scientific works of many scholars within and outside countries. [12] With its sovereignty in Hoang Sa, Vietnam has the right to exploit natural resources in the waters of the archipelago in accordance with the provisions of international law. The operation of Vietnamese fishermen in the waters near Hoang Sa for a very long time is both sufficient evidence of sovereignty and the right to exploit the sea here of Vietnam and is the enforcement of legal rights.
Therefore, when being asked about Vietnam's reaction to the incident on March 20, the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry Spokesman Luong Thanh Nghi confirmed that behavior "a serious incident that violated Vietnam's sovereignty over the Hoang Sa Archipelago, threatening and damaging the property of Vietnamese fishermen."
Indeed, international law clearly states that national sovereignty is absolute nature and distinct, in which only sovereign nations are allowed to carry out power-state management measures on their territory. The application of this principle also extends to the territorial waters and the exclusive economic zone. Other countries are obliged to respect the individual and absolute sovereignty or sovereign rights. The consequence of this is a country is not allowed to perform law enforcement measures in the territory or territorial waters of the sovereignty of another country without the consent of that country.
Chinese naval vessels chasing a fishing boat of Vietnam in Vietnam's waters is clear violation of the sovereignty and the duty to respect the sovereignty of Vietnam, because there was no evidence to suggest that this behavior of Chinese naval vessels received the consent of the State of Vietnam. In fact, Vietnam has always opposed any enforcement of state power of the Chinese government here.
However, even though the State of Vietnam has made their sovereignty to the Hoang Sa Archipelago in a peaceful, stable and continuous way since at least the 17th century, taking advantage of the difficulties in the history of Vietnam, China has gradually occupied the Hoang Sa Archipelago since the mid-twentieth century.
After the use of force in 1974, China has won complete control of the archipelago. Needless to say, the use of force to occupy territory does not bring about a nominal sovereignty by international law, along with the prohibition of the use of force in international relations to also eliminate the use of violence as a legitimate method for establishing territorial sovereignty again. Vietnam's sovereignty in the Paracels is still remained and China does not have any rights here, as well as to the relevant waters.
Even so, the Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping, in a meeting with leaders of the Communist Party of Vietnam in September 1975, said: "The two countries have sovereignty dispute over the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa, it will be discussed and solved later." If so, the behavior of the Chinese navy also violated the obligation of peaceful settlement of disputes.
Vietnam's sovereignty over the Hoang Sa Archipelago is proven through historical evidence and based on a solid legal basis as being analyzed in scientific works of many scholars within and outside countries. [12] With its sovereignty in Hoang Sa, Vietnam has the right to exploit natural resources in the waters of the archipelago in accordance with the provisions of international law. The operation of Vietnamese fishermen in the waters near Hoang Sa for a very long time is both sufficient evidence of sovereignty and the right to exploit the sea here of Vietnam and is the enforcement of legal rights.
Therefore, when being asked about Vietnam's reaction to the incident on March 20, the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry Spokesman Luong Thanh Nghi confirmed that behavior "a serious incident that violated Vietnam's sovereignty over the Hoang Sa Archipelago, threatening and damaging the property of Vietnamese fishermen."
Indeed, international law clearly states that national sovereignty is absolute nature and distinct, in which only sovereign nations are allowed to carry out power-state management measures on their territory. The application of this principle also extends to the territorial waters and the exclusive economic zone. Other countries are obliged to respect the individual and absolute sovereignty or sovereign rights. The consequence of this is a country is not allowed to perform law enforcement measures in the territory or territorial waters of the sovereignty of another country without the consent of that country.
Chinese naval vessels chasing a fishing boat of Vietnam in Vietnam's waters is clear violation of the sovereignty and the duty to respect the sovereignty of Vietnam, because there was no evidence to suggest that this behavior of Chinese naval vessels received the consent of the State of Vietnam. In fact, Vietnam has always opposed any enforcement of state power of the Chinese government here.
However, even though the State of Vietnam has made their sovereignty to the Hoang Sa Archipelago in a peaceful, stable and continuous way since at least the 17th century, taking advantage of the difficulties in the history of Vietnam, China has gradually occupied the Hoang Sa Archipelago since the mid-twentieth century.
After the use of force in 1974, China has won complete control of the archipelago. Needless to say, the use of force to occupy territory does not bring about a nominal sovereignty by international law, along with the prohibition of the use of force in international relations to also eliminate the use of violence as a legitimate method for establishing territorial sovereignty again. Vietnam's sovereignty in the Paracels is still remained and China does not have any rights here, as well as to the relevant waters.
Even so, the Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping, in a meeting with leaders of the Communist Party of Vietnam in September 1975, said: "The two countries have sovereignty dispute over the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa, it will be discussed and solved later." If so, the behavior of the Chinese navy also violated the obligation of peaceful settlement of disputes.
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China has broken its promise
VietNamNet Bridge – China is continuing to intimidate Viet Nam in the East Sea, using physical violations and slander to try and browbeat the nation for defending its own territory.
This is the view of journalist Kim Tuan who says what China is doing is totally different from what it is saying. Here is his latest viewpoint published by government website chinhphu.vn:
While Chinese State Councillor Yang Jiechi was in Ha Noi recently, China continued to bring another drilling rig, the Nanhai 9, into the East Sea.
This prompted Professor Carl Thayer from the Australian Defence Force Academy to describe the move as a new provocation from China.
At the end of last year, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang visited Viet Nam and agreed that during the search for a solution to disputes involving the sea, the two sides should control the situation together and refrain from any escalation.
Li also said if problems arose, China and Viet Nam should join hands and settle them in a "timely and rational manner, preventing them from adversely affecting bilateral co-operation and development".
However, China's illegal placement of the Haiyang Shiyou-981 rig inside Viet Nam's exclusive economic zone ran totally counter to this spirit.
Worse still, on June 25, China published a new map to push its sovereignty.
In the map, China defied international law and drew a 10-dash line that blankets all the East Sea, including waters close to the coasts of Viet Nam, Malaysia, Brunei and the Philippines.
There is a popular anecdote among the Chinese on the need to defy everything. When asked by Han Shi Zhong (1089-1151), one of the four famous generals of the Nan Song dynasty (1127-1279), to table evidence against Yue Fei, Prime Minister Qin Gui (1090-1155) flatly replied: "No evidence, no need for evidence."
For nearly a millennium now, Chinese have condemned the reply as well as the "defying all" attitude by Qin Gui.
Yet China itself is defying law and justice, trampling on common moral standards to grab interests in the East Sea that do not belong to it.
It is opting to act in a way condemned by the Chinese nation.
China believes it can use economic benefits to erode Viet Nam's determination to safeguard her independence and sovereignty.
China has banned its state-run enterprises from bidding for any projects in Viet Nam.
However, for Viet Nam, independence and sovereignty are the most sacred freedoms.
Economic benefits are necessary, but nothing is more precious than independence.
Viet Nam's leaders have said that not a single inch of the mountains and rivers of the country will ever be conceded - not for anything.
VietNamNet Bridge – China is continuing to intimidate Viet Nam in the East Sea, using physical violations and slander to try and browbeat the nation for defending its own territory.
This is the view of journalist Kim Tuan who says what China is doing is totally different from what it is saying. Here is his latest viewpoint published by government website chinhphu.vn:
While Chinese State Councillor Yang Jiechi was in Ha Noi recently, China continued to bring another drilling rig, the Nanhai 9, into the East Sea.
This prompted Professor Carl Thayer from the Australian Defence Force Academy to describe the move as a new provocation from China.
At the end of last year, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang visited Viet Nam and agreed that during the search for a solution to disputes involving the sea, the two sides should control the situation together and refrain from any escalation.
Li also said if problems arose, China and Viet Nam should join hands and settle them in a "timely and rational manner, preventing them from adversely affecting bilateral co-operation and development".
However, China's illegal placement of the Haiyang Shiyou-981 rig inside Viet Nam's exclusive economic zone ran totally counter to this spirit.
Worse still, on June 25, China published a new map to push its sovereignty.
In the map, China defied international law and drew a 10-dash line that blankets all the East Sea, including waters close to the coasts of Viet Nam, Malaysia, Brunei and the Philippines.
There is a popular anecdote among the Chinese on the need to defy everything. When asked by Han Shi Zhong (1089-1151), one of the four famous generals of the Nan Song dynasty (1127-1279), to table evidence against Yue Fei, Prime Minister Qin Gui (1090-1155) flatly replied: "No evidence, no need for evidence."
For nearly a millennium now, Chinese have condemned the reply as well as the "defying all" attitude by Qin Gui.
Yet China itself is defying law and justice, trampling on common moral standards to grab interests in the East Sea that do not belong to it.
It is opting to act in a way condemned by the Chinese nation.
China believes it can use economic benefits to erode Viet Nam's determination to safeguard her independence and sovereignty.
China has banned its state-run enterprises from bidding for any projects in Viet Nam.
However, for Viet Nam, independence and sovereignty are the most sacred freedoms.
Economic benefits are necessary, but nothing is more precious than independence.
Viet Nam's leaders have said that not a single inch of the mountains and rivers of the country will ever be conceded - not for anything.
CCG 1307
I wonder if China has a contingency plan and prepared equipment to arm these vessels, in case Vietnamese or other rogue ships get more aggressive and lethal than they have been in recent months, when trying to violate and undermine Chinese sovereignty and open attacks on Chinese ships.
Immediately sending military into action will attrack violent rogue regimes from overseas with an open invitation to fuel the destabilization of the South China Sea.
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